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Post by felonious on Feb 16, 2020 13:59:00 GMT
I reckon you would have approved of the old Pravda style of press. Disagreeing with freedom of press is not the same as wanting a completely state-controlled press. Media outlets should not be allowed to print unsubstantiated claims or personal slurs.Unsubstantiated? What with phone hacking?
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Post by zerps on Feb 16, 2020 14:04:40 GMT
Her management are saying a show trial was to blame. A show trial is a trial in the media eye. I’m not sure what anyone is arguing about here. Rip. If you going to go around calling people morons its perhaps a good idea to understand what a show trial is and it is not a trial in the media eye..... Please explain, moron.
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Post by felonious on Feb 16, 2020 14:07:17 GMT
Disagreeing with freedom of press is not the same as wanting a completely state-controlled press. Media outlets should not be allowed to print unsubstantiated claims or personal slurs. Lil, I think that there is another massive issue that " we " need to come to terms with. The technological revolution has changed what we mean by ' media' . I don't think that we have even begun to come to terms with " Who's saying what and why. Is it true?" Facebook, Instagram and Twitter are private global concerns and I don't think that we have easily got the will, motivation or ability to regulate them. In many ways I'm pleased to see the gradual devaluing of MSM, Murdock and the BBC.....I think that we are only at the beginning of their gradual decline ( obviously they are putting up a fight)....the challenge for future generations is " What replaces them" Trump speaking directly through his tweets may seem a joke to some or a novelty...but the next President in fact could choose to use social media in a more organised, structured way. Boris avoiding interrogation by Andrew Neil and not choosing to go on Piers Morgan's show was interpreted as cowardice by many....I think that it was Cummings saying to MSM " We don't have to play to your tune, you don't set the agenda"....and as unacceptable as it seems to those who want ' scrutiny' ( AND WE DO NEED SCRUTINY)....he is correct....MSM has got too big for its' boots with its' own agenda. We now have a largely unregulated minefield out there, a free for all. In my opinion. It's an interesting point but I think more politicians should refuse to be interviewed until these organisations re learn the art of an interview and get away from the hugely aggressive trap that even their lower grade employees have fallen into. I no longer enjoy these idiots interviewing politicians because there's nothing to be learned due to the aggressive stance taken by the interviewer.
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 16, 2020 14:10:45 GMT
If you going to go around calling people morons its perhaps a good idea to understand what a show trial is and it is not a trial in the media eye..... Please explain to a moron. No problem mate as you said please, manners cost nothing. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Show_trial
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Post by zerps on Feb 16, 2020 14:11:35 GMT
a judicial trial held in public with the intention of influencing or satisfying public opinion, rather than of ensuring justice. Moron 😆
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 16, 2020 14:18:53 GMT
a judicial trial held in public with the intention of influencing or satisfying public opinion, rather than of ensuring justice. Moron 😆 All trials are held in public, you also missed out that the outcome of the trial is already predetermined but yeah carry on making an ill informed arse of yourself, only a few hours ago you wanted a comedian on trial for making a joke.....
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Post by salopstick on Feb 16, 2020 14:19:31 GMT
Yes the press can be scum of the earth at times. Sometimes these people use the press just as much for fame fortune and publicity In the case of the CPS if they had not done anything the actual story today could have been of a young man killed by an abusive partner It is tragic when any person gets so low that they end up in this state The whole celebrity world is a shit storm from the press to the influencers and reality tv and yet it gets thrown at our kids 24/7 and suddenly it’s what some of them aspire to be It's a little bit warped logic though are you suggesting that people don't become politicians, footballers, tennis players, singers, actors, etc because their family, friends, etc will become fair game. This is the country we live in I did point out in my post that I wasn't specifically referring to this case No I’m suggesting that you don’t have to live your life through social media and court publicity. This will put your lives under greater scrutiny Plenty of famous people do their job then keep their private lives private. The opposite is too many “celebrities” want to use the media and social media to plug this and that. And as soon as they fuck up they cry foul If you are they type that sells your perfect family life to OK magazine dont be surprised when they dig up dirt on you. Look at some of the footballers wives. They cant just stay in the background. They want to be in the papers in the latest fashions plugging shit all over “insta” then you get something like wagatha christie. Then other footballers keep their lives private and probably enjoy their lives a bit more.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2020 14:21:31 GMT
Disagreeing with freedom of press is not the same as wanting a completely state-controlled press. Media outlets should not be allowed to print unsubstantiated claims or personal slurs. Lil, I think that there is another massive issue that " we " need to come to terms with. The technological revolution has changed what we mean by ' media' . I don't think that we have even begun to come to terms with " Who's saying what and why. Is it true?" Facebook, Instagram and Twitter are private global concerns and I don't think that we have easily got the will, motivation or ability to regulate them. In many ways I'm pleased to see the gradual devaluing of MSM, Murdock and the BBC.....I think that we are only at the beginning of their gradual decline ( obviously they are putting up a fight)....the challenge for future generations is " What replaces them" Trump speaking directly through his tweets may seem a joke to some or a novelty...but the next President in fact could choose to use social media in a more organised, structured way. Boris avoiding interrogation by Andrew Neil and not choosing to go on Piers Morgan's show was interpreted as cowardice by many....I think that it was Cummings saying to MSM " We don't have to play to your tune, you don't set the agenda"....and as unacceptable as it seems to those who want ' scrutiny' ( AND WE DO NEED SCRUTINY)....he is correct....MSM has got too big for its' boots with its' own agenda. We now have a largely unregulated minefield out there, a free for all. Perhaps change hs got to come from within the companies themselves through commercial pressure and choices of consumers. In my opinion. I agree. We've got technology beyond our wisdom in social media, really.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2020 14:22:10 GMT
Disagreeing with freedom of press is not the same as wanting a completely state-controlled press. Media outlets should not be allowed to print unsubstantiated claims or personal slurs.Unsubstantiated? What with phone hacking? eh? you've lost me there.
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Post by zerps on Feb 16, 2020 14:29:03 GMT
a judicial trial held in public with the intention of influencing or satisfying public opinion, rather than of ensuring justice. Moron 😆 All trials are held in public, you also missed out that the outcome of the trial is already predetermined but yeah carry on making an ill informed arse of yourself, only a few hours ago you wanted a comedian on trial for making a joke..... What’s your point again? That the media are never to blame? 🤣 I love how pissy you are.
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Post by felonious on Feb 16, 2020 14:35:44 GMT
Just as a point had this woman not been high profile and a common or garden Caroline Flack do you think a prosecution would have gone ahead? The partner wasn't pressing charges nor happy with the prosecution. Was it in the public interest to prosecute? I don't know enough about the CPS myself but other bodies like the HSE like a high profile name.
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Post by felonious on Feb 16, 2020 14:42:59 GMT
It's a little bit warped logic though are you suggesting that people don't become politicians, footballers, tennis players, singers, actors, etc because their family, friends, etc will become fair game. This is the country we live in I did point out in my post that I wasn't specifically referring to this case No I’m suggesting that you don’t have to live your life through social media and court publicity. This will put your lives under greater scrutiny Plenty of famous people do their job then keep their private lives private. The opposite is too many “celebrities” want to use the media and social media to plug this and that. And as soon as they fuck up they cry foul If you are they type that sells your perfect family life to OK magazine dont be surprised when they dig up dirt on you. Look at some of the footballers wives. They cant just stay in the background. They want to be in the papers in the latest fashions plugging shit all over “insta” then you get something like wagatha christie. Then other footballers keep their lives private and probably enjoy their lives a bit more. Salop it doesn't matter whether footballers wives shun publicity the papers will still come for them given a whiff of opportunity to sell newspapers. Don't fall into the trap of believing the newspapers line. I know I'm in danger of repeating myself here but are you suggesting that people shouldn't become politicians, tennis players, footballers, singers, actors because they, their family, friends, etc will become fair game? What about newspaper owners, editors and journalists responsible for publishing details of other people's lifestyles. Surely they're sitting in judgement and should have their lives scrutinised in the same way?
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 16, 2020 14:44:06 GMT
Just as a point had this woman not been high profile and a common or garden Caroline Flack do you think a prosecution would have gone ahead? The partner wasn't pressing charges nor happy with the prosecution. Was it in the public interest to prosecute? I don't know enough about the CPS myself but other bodies like the HSE like a high profile name. Yes it was to prove you can't commit acts of domestic violence and expect to get away with it I eagerly await the countless groups against domestic abuse to come out and defend the cps
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Post by danceswithclams on Feb 16, 2020 14:53:08 GMT
Just as a point had this woman not been high profile and a common or garden Caroline Flack do you think a prosecution would have gone ahead? The partner wasn't pressing charges nor happy with the prosecution. Was it in the public interest to prosecute? I don't know enough about the CPS myself but other bodies like the HSE like a high profile name. This might shed a bit of light on your question:
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Post by felonious on Feb 16, 2020 14:54:59 GMT
Just as a point had this woman not been high profile and a common or garden Caroline Flack do you think a prosecution would have gone ahead? The partner wasn't pressing charges nor happy with the prosecution. Was it in the public interest to prosecute? I don't know enough about the CPS myself but other bodies like the HSE like a high profile name. Yes it was to prove you can't commit acts of domestic violence and expect to get away with it I eagerly await the countless groups against domestic abuse to come out and defend the cps Well interestingly I heard about a case of domestic violence this week the victim went to the police and refused to press charges. The police have the incident on record together with the details of injuries (hospital visit) and have not referred it to the CPS.
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Post by salopstick on Feb 16, 2020 14:58:56 GMT
No I’m suggesting that you don’t have to live your life through social media and court publicity. This will put your lives under greater scrutiny Plenty of famous people do their job then keep their private lives private. The opposite is too many “celebrities” want to use the media and social media to plug this and that. And as soon as they fuck up they cry foul If you are they type that sells your perfect family life to OK magazine dont be surprised when they dig up dirt on you. Look at some of the footballers wives. They cant just stay in the background. They want to be in the papers in the latest fashions plugging shit all over “insta” then you get something like wagatha christie. Then other footballers keep their lives private and probably enjoy their lives a bit more. Salop it doesn't matter whether footballers wives shun publicity the papers will still come for them given a whiff of opportunity to sell newspapers. Don't fall into the trap of believing the newspapers line. I know I'm in danger of repeating myself here but are you suggesting that people shouldn't become politicians, tennis players, footballers, singers, actors because they, their family, friends, etc will become fair game? What about newspaper owners, editors and journalists responsible for publishing details of other people's lifestyles. Surely they're sitting in judgement and should have their lives scrutinised in the same way? I’m not saying people should not have jobs in the limelight because they become fair game but you don’t have to court publicity at every opportunity. We hold people in the public eye to a higher standard. I’m not saying that’s right but it is what is Wether anyone likes it or not a lady who lives her life in the media plasters her love life over social media is going to come in for scrutiny when she’s charged with domestic abuse.
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Post by mattador78 on Feb 16, 2020 14:59:56 GMT
Just as a point had this woman not been high profile and a common or garden Caroline Flack do you think a prosecution would have gone ahead? The partner wasn't pressing charges nor happy with the prosecution. Was it in the public interest to prosecute? I don't know enough about the CPS myself but other bodies like the HSE like a high profile name. Speaking from my own experience HSE will prosecute anyone regardless of name.
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Post by salopstick on Feb 16, 2020 15:02:37 GMT
Just as a point had this woman not been high profile and a common or garden Caroline Flack do you think a prosecution would have gone ahead? The partner wasn't pressing charges nor happy with the prosecution. Was it in the public interest to prosecute? I don't know enough about the CPS myself but other bodies like the HSE like a high profile name. This might shed a bit of light on your question: mobile.twitter.com/kilcotcaz1h I am so sorry for Caroline’s passing but IF she had been violent as alleged and IF she had been a man, we would have thought it incredible for someone to suggest the CPS shouldn’t prosecute.
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Post by felonious on Feb 16, 2020 15:03:06 GMT
Just as a point had this woman not been high profile and a common or garden Caroline Flack do you think a prosecution would have gone ahead? The partner wasn't pressing charges nor happy with the prosecution. Was it in the public interest to prosecute? I don't know enough about the CPS myself but other bodies like the HSE like a high profile name. Speaking from my own experience HSE will prosecute anyone regardless of name. Yeah but if that name can get them some publicity it's a sure fire starter for ten
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Post by salopstick on Feb 16, 2020 15:08:42 GMT
Mental Health is one of the big issues of the day.
Yes we should do more, authorities should do more, media should do more but just as important (though not always possible) individuals should do more to help them selves.
Life isn’t easy but we all can make small changes to improve our own well being. Eat better, exercise more, try and avoid stuff that might not be good in your life. I understand it’s not easy but I do think it starts with some individual responsibility.
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Post by felonious on Feb 16, 2020 15:10:44 GMT
Salop it doesn't matter whether footballers wives shun publicity the papers will still come for them given a whiff of opportunity to sell newspapers. Don't fall into the trap of believing the newspapers line. I know I'm in danger of repeating myself here but are you suggesting that people shouldn't become politicians, tennis players, footballers, singers, actors because they, their family, friends, etc will become fair game? What about newspaper owners, editors and journalists responsible for publishing details of other people's lifestyles. Surely they're sitting in judgement and should have their lives scrutinised in the same way? I’m not saying people should not have jobs in the limelight because they become fair game but you don’t have to court publicity at every opportunity. We hold people in the public eye to a higher standard. I’m not saying that’s right but it is what is Wether anyone likes it or not a lady who lives her life in the media plasters her love life over social media is going to come in for scrutiny when she’s charged with domestic abuse. Tell me how can a politician, a singer, a top tennis player, etc not be in the public eye? Why should someone who's good at hitting a tennis ball be subject to higher standards? Why should the family and friends of these individuals be subjected to any press intrusion?
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 16, 2020 15:11:44 GMT
Just as a point had this woman not been high profile and a common or garden Caroline Flack do you think a prosecution would have gone ahead? The partner wasn't pressing charges nor happy with the prosecution. Was it in the public interest to prosecute? I don't know enough about the CPS myself but other bodies like the HSE like a high profile name. See below its possible regardless of fame an ordinary person would be charged usually it is a man attacking a woman, using an object I would guess made it more likely it would be charged and that it wasn't also the first time.
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Post by mattador78 on Feb 16, 2020 15:17:45 GMT
Speaking from my own experience HSE will prosecute anyone regardless of name. Yeah but if that name can get them some publicity it's a sure fire starter for ten But publicity comes from the press deciding its news worthy all HSE prosecutions are public records. As HS manger I have them sent to me by default weekly ( good tools to use as examples of what can go wrong and also to go fuckin hell we better stop doing that). It’s not the HSE who decides what’s news worthy it’s the reporter who has the same info sent to them as me.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 16, 2020 15:18:38 GMT
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Post by salopstick on Feb 16, 2020 15:18:45 GMT
I’m not saying people should not have jobs in the limelight because they become fair game but you don’t have to court publicity at every opportunity. We hold people in the public eye to a higher standard. I’m not saying that’s right but it is what is Wether anyone likes it or not a lady who lives her life in the media plasters her love life over social media is going to come in for scrutiny when she’s charged with domestic abuse. Tell me how can a politician, a singer, a top tennis player, etc not be in the public eye? Why should someone who's good at hitting a tennis ball be subject to higher standards? Why should the family and friends of these individuals be subjected to any press intrusion? The family shouldn’t be subject to press intrusion. And yes people in the public eye are held to a higher standard because certain people look up to them. Plenty of people in the public eye do their job go home until the next job. But some of them are all over social media plugging themselves and products, turning up at the opening of an envelope because they enjoy being in the public eye It’s a life choice.
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Post by vokeswagen on Feb 16, 2020 15:40:12 GMT
Just as a point had this woman not been high profile and a common or garden Caroline Flack do you think a prosecution would have gone ahead? The partner wasn't pressing charges nor happy with the prosecution. Was it in the public interest to prosecute? I don't know enough about the CPS myself but other bodies like the HSE like a high profile name. See below its possible regardless of fame an ordinary person would be charged usually it is a man attacking a woman, using an object I would guess made it more likely it would be charged and that it wasn't also the first time. This would be the same Secret Barrister that you decided you didn't like around the time of the recent London Bridge terror attack because he was criticising something your beloved Tory Party had done. Is the Secret Barrister only worthy of our time when he happens to agree with you pal?
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 16, 2020 15:43:32 GMT
Love Island is a despicable program & the sooner it & programs like it are £@#&ed 0££ the better. Killing a generation of youth
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 16, 2020 16:11:44 GMT
Love Island is a despicable program & the sooner it & programs like it are £@#&ed 0££ the better. Killing a generation of youth Love Island is a symptom not the cause its the deep rooted Andy wharhol fifteen minutes of fame that has crept into society years of telling you can achieve what you wish for without in some cases the need of hard work For instance when I left school the top twenty % or so went to university I wouldn't hesitate to guess the rate now but thousands find themselves droping out Or finding themselves saddled with a useless degree and debt The pressure on the young has never been higher Society is setting thousands up to fail and then sits there and wonders why so many are not content or are unable to cope
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Post by mattador78 on Feb 16, 2020 16:36:23 GMT
Love Island is a despicable program & the sooner it & programs like it are £@#&ed 0££ the better. Killing a generation of youth Love Island is a symptom not the cause its the deep rooted Andy wharhol fifteen minutes of fame that has crept into society years of telling you can achieve what you wish for without in some cases the need of hard work For instance when I left school the top twenty % or so went to university I wouldn't hesitate to guess the rate now but thousands find themselves droping out Or finding themselves saddled with a useless degree and debt The pressure on the young has never been higher Society is setting thousands up to fail and then sits there and wonders why so many are not content or are unable to cope It’s not just the young a mate of mine at 42 has just come close to killing himself and he doesn’t know why
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Post by salopstick on Feb 16, 2020 17:14:40 GMT
Love Island is a symptom not the cause its the deep rooted Andy wharhol fifteen minutes of fame that has crept into society years of telling you can achieve what you wish for without in some cases the need of hard work For instance when I left school the top twenty % or so went to university I wouldn't hesitate to guess the rate now but thousands find themselves droping out Or finding themselves saddled with a useless degree and debt The pressure on the young has never been higher Society is setting thousands up to fail and then sits there and wonders why so many are not content or are unable to cope It’s not just the young a mate of mine at 42 has just come close to killing himself and he doesn’t know why You are both right People are chasing this perfect life. Fuelled by this celebrity obsession. Further fuelled by celebrities pushing this life through social media Again not the root cause but part of it
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