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Post by infullerwetrust on Jan 27, 2020 19:07:09 GMT
Get him off the books and then sign Chester on loan?
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Post by rawli on Jan 27, 2020 19:09:04 GMT
He’s quite comfortably the worst manager we’ve ever had. Lambert is a strong contender for second worst, which says a lot about the couple of years we’ve just had. I actually think Lambert steadied the ship and was a bit unlucky not to keep us up. I think we'd done better if he had stayed instead of giving Rowett the job. We will never know of course, but that's my take on it. He was fucking useless. The sight of supporters chanting after his last home game was one of the most mystifying things I've seen.
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Post by Fred Merger on Jan 27, 2020 19:09:11 GMT
He’s dross. Let’s hope we get Cosgrove or this Shankland For what it’s worth I’d try and offload Diouf and Duffy too And Gregory. He tries I know. But he could walk into a nightclub with a machine gun and still not hit anybody!
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Post by shrewspotter on Jan 27, 2020 19:10:37 GMT
He’s dross. Let’s hope we get Cosgrove or this Shankland For what it’s worth I’d try and offload Diouf and Duffy too And Gregory. He tries I know. But he could walk into a nightclub with a machine gun and still not hit anybody! yep forgot him. The sitter he missed on Saturday sums him up, was a centre halves finish
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Post by pabloavfc on Jan 27, 2020 19:13:01 GMT
One 30 game spell over 2 seasons. Other shit players have had moments were they look decent. Doesn't tell the whole story.
Bees spotted and signed him for £750k from Rochdale after his breakthrough season in f-t football (had been non-league).
Two games into his Bees career, he was seriously crocked with a knee injury (Aug.2014), which saw him out of the game until March 2016, where he needed 3 games to shake off the rust, before scoring 7 goals in the last 4 games of the season - absolutely flying he was.
He next took up in 2016/17 where he'd just left off, scoring 14 goals in 24 Championship games, causing Villa to shell out c.£10m for a loan-into-permanent deal in Jan.2017, when he was still only 24, i.e. with his best years to come. And if on the generous side, £10m nonetheless didn't seem hugely overvalued at the time, tbh.
Granted he's done sod-all since then, but aside from Villa generally being an absolute basket case around then, they clearly didn't understand how to get the best out of him. That is, he's not a "fox in the box" like eg Aguero, he's a runner like eg Vardy, so his teams need to be set up to counter-attack. (One of the reasons Bees were happy to get rid so soon, btw). Add in a succession of knee problems, and you can see why he's struggled.
But if you can get him fit, and put him in the right set-up, there's a player in there, mark my words.
This gets said a lot but it's not true. The idea that it's all about the system with Hogan is false. You've broken down what I already said, in his entire career he has had a spell of 32 games spanning 2 seasons in which he has succeeded at the championship level. I mean that's nothing is it. 32 games. When we signed him it was an absolute panic buy from Bruce. I've watched him plenty and blaming the system is just wrong. His first touch is woeful, he is fast but not lightning quick and his finishing is massively exaggerated based on his short brentford spell. He struggles to get into games, barely touching the ball. He can't create chances for himself and his hold up play is virtually non existent. The fact you don't want him and he is ending up at the Shite at st Andrew's tells you everything you need to know about the guy. Seems a nice bloke but a terrible football player.
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Post by Fred Merger on Jan 27, 2020 19:15:47 GMT
And Gregory. He tries I know. But he could walk into a nightclub with a machine gun and still not hit anybody! yep forgot him. The sitter he missed on Saturday sums him up, was a centre halves finish Yep and West Brom last Monday. Allen dispossess in the centre of the pitch goes on a lung busting run then lays a nice ball in Gregory's path and he spanners it past the far post. Absolutely WANK!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 27, 2020 19:45:34 GMT
Doesn't tell the whole story.
Bees spotted and signed him for £750k from Rochdale after his breakthrough season in f-t football (had been non-league). Two games into his Bees career, he was seriously crocked with a knee injury (Aug.2014), which saw him out of the game until March 2016, where he needed 3 games to shake off the rust, before scoring 7 goals in the last 4 games of the season - absolutely flying he was. He next took up in 2016/17 where he'd just left off, scoring 14 goals in 24 Championship games, causing Villa to shell out c.£10m for a loan-into-permanent deal in Jan.2017, when he was still only 24, i.e. with his best years to come. And if on the generous side, £10m nonetheless didn't seem hugely overvalued at the time, tbh.
Granted he's done sod-all since then, but aside from Villa generally being an absolute basket case around then, they clearly didn't understand how to get the best out of him. That is, he's not a "fox in the box" like eg Aguero, he's a runner like eg Vardy, so his teams need to be set up to counter-attack. (One of the reasons Bees were happy to get rid so soon, btw). Add in a succession of knee problems, and you can see why he's struggled. But if you can get him fit, and put him in the right set-up, there's a player in there, mark my words.
This gets said a lot but it's not true. The idea that it's all about the system with Hogan is false. You've broken down what I already said, in his entire career he has had a spell of 32 games spanning 2 seasons in which he has succeeded at the championship level. I mean that's nothing is it. 32 games. When we signed him it was an absolute panic buy from Bruce. I've watched him plenty and blaming the system is just wrong. His first touch is woeful, he is fast but not lightning quick and his finishing is massively exaggerated based on his short brentford spell. He struggles to get into games, barely touching the ball. He can't create chances for himself and his hold up play is virtually non existent. The fact you don't want him and he is ending up at the Shite at st Andrew's tells you everything you need to know about the guy. Seems a nice bloke but a terrible football player. Hogan, expressed in fewer words than you have used, is quite simply a terrible footballer. I cant be bothered to waste the words that you have done on him. Suffice to say I agree with every word. Sooner he is gone the better
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Post by bertiestan on Jan 27, 2020 20:11:18 GMT
Laters scott👋🏻
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Post by markby on Jan 27, 2020 21:08:21 GMT
Doesn't tell the whole story.
Bees spotted and signed him for £750k from Rochdale after his breakthrough season in f-t football (had been non-league).
Two games into his Bees career, he was seriously crocked with a knee injury (Aug.2014), which saw him out of the game until March 2016, where he needed 3 games to shake off the rust, before scoring 7 goals in the last 4 games of the season - absolutely flying he was.
He next took up in 2016/17 where he'd just left off, scoring 14 goals in 24 Championship games, causing Villa to shell out c.£10m for a loan-into-permanent deal in Jan.2017, when he was still only 24, i.e. with his best years to come. And if on the generous side, £10m nonetheless didn't seem hugely overvalued at the time, tbh.
Granted he's done sod-all since then, but aside from Villa generally being an absolute basket case around then, they clearly didn't understand how to get the best out of him. That is, he's not a "fox in the box" like eg Aguero, he's a runner like eg Vardy, so his teams need to be set up to counter-attack. (One of the reasons Bees were happy to get rid so soon, btw). Add in a succession of knee problems, and you can see why he's struggled.
But if you can get him fit, and put him in the right set-up, there's a player in there, mark my words.
This gets said a lot but it's not true. The idea that it's all about the system with Hogan is false. You've broken down what I already said, in his entire career he has had a spell of 32 games spanning 2 seasons in which he has succeeded at the championship level. I mean that's nothing is it. 32 games. When we signed him it was an absolute panic buy from Bruce. I've watched him plenty and blaming the system is just wrong. His first touch is woeful, he is fast but not lightning quick and his finishing is massively exaggerated based on his short brentford spell. He struggles to get into games, barely touching the ball. He can't create chances for himself and his hold up play is virtually non existent. The fact you don't want him and he is ending up at the Shite at st Andrew's tells you everything you need to know about the guy. Seems a nice bloke but a terrible football player. A good player can play badly, but a bad player cannot play well. I saw plenty of him at Brentford (I'm not a Stokie, btw) and trust me, he showed real ability.
Fact that he hasn't ever done it for Villa possibly says more about a struggling club managed by "panic buy" Bruce, than him and all the other players who flopped after arriving at Villa Park. (How is eg Kodija doing these days?)
Or do you defend the signings policy pursued by the club?
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Post by scfc75 on Jan 27, 2020 21:14:40 GMT
This gets said a lot but it's not true. The idea that it's all about the system with Hogan is false. You've broken down what I already said, in his entire career he has had a spell of 32 games spanning 2 seasons in which he has succeeded at the championship level. I mean that's nothing is it. 32 games. When we signed him it was an absolute panic buy from Bruce. I've watched him plenty and blaming the system is just wrong. His first touch is woeful, he is fast but not lightning quick and his finishing is massively exaggerated based on his short brentford spell. He struggles to get into games, barely touching the ball. He can't create chances for himself and his hold up play is virtually non existent. The fact you don't want him and he is ending up at the Shite at st Andrew's tells you everything you need to know about the guy. Seems a nice bloke but a terrible football player. A good player can play badly, but a bad player cannot play well. I saw plenty of him at Brentford (I'm not a Stokie, btw) and trust me, he showed real ability. Fact that he hasn't ever done it for Villa possibly says more about a struggling club managed by "panic buy" Bruce, than him and all the other players who flopped after arriving at Villa Park. (How is eg Kodija doing these days?) Or do you defend the signings policy pursued by the club?
Cheers Scott 👍
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jan 27, 2020 21:26:35 GMT
He’s dross. Let’s hope we get Cosgrove or this Shankland For what it’s worth I’d try and offload Diouf and Duffy too Out of interest have you seen Cosgrove or ,this “Shankland” play to form a constructive opinion or is it simply a “hands in the sweetie jar” comment because it’s the transfer window Just a thought
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 27, 2020 21:31:29 GMT
He’s dross. Let’s hope we get Cosgrove or this Shankland For what it’s worth I’d try and offload Diouf and Duffy too Out of interest have you seen Cosgrove or ,this “Shankland” play to form a constructive opinion or is it simply a “hands in the sweetie jar” comment because it’s the transfer window Just a thought I watched the last Aberdeen game if you think Vokes isn't very mobile......
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Post by wherty on Jan 27, 2020 21:31:42 GMT
For a man who didn't approve of loans Narcissist Nathan brought three useless ones' here, very strange. Bit like Rowett then I remember his interview saying he didn’t like loan players because why should he improve another teams player 😂😂 Hang on that’s perhaps why we loaned wank ones 🙈 Pulis got us promoted with half a team of loan players so it can work.
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Post by clarkeda on Jan 27, 2020 21:42:59 GMT
Would we allow this if a striker wasn't coming in? 🤔 Ties in with all the cosgrove and the other one chatter going today
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 27, 2020 21:46:22 GMT
Would we allow this if a striker wasn't coming in? 🤔 Ties in with all the cosgrove and the other one chatter going today I still don’t see why we need one with the 4 already here. Diouf or Gregory have to leave too surely?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 21:49:57 GMT
Would we allow this if a striker wasn't coming in? 🤔 Ties in with all the cosgrove and the other one chatter going today Why do we need to replace somebody who hasn't been in the squad for months? There's literally nothing to replace.
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Post by clarkeda on Jan 27, 2020 21:51:20 GMT
Ties in with all the cosgrove and the other one chatter going today I still don’t see why we need one with the 4 already here. Diouf or Gregory have to leave too surely? I’d agree, don’t see diouf leaving 6 months left on what must still be a substantial salary nearing the end of his career, he’ll sit and take the money. Gregory I quite like, however he’s just simply not good enough, but he’ll be on daft wages could see him going on loan, but I just feel like we’re pushing the problem down the line (I don’t understand enough about FFP). Out of the lot I’d get rid of vokes, but there’d be less buyers for him. So 🤷♂️
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 27, 2020 21:55:34 GMT
I still don’t see why we need one with the 4 already here. Diouf or Gregory have to leave too surely? I’d agree, don’t see diouf leaving 6 months left on what must still be a substantial salary nearing the end of his career, he’ll sit and take the money. Gregory I quite like, however he’s just simply not good enough, but he’ll be on daft wages could see him going on loan, but I just feel like we’re pushing the problem down the line (I don’t understand enough about FFP). Out of the lot I’d get rid of vokes, but there’d be less buyers for him. So 🤷♂️ Can’t see Vokes going anywhere. Gregory seems like the one who might. I think he’s shite so not arsed if he were to leave.
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Post by scfc75 on Jan 27, 2020 21:58:59 GMT
Maybe the thinking is one eye on next season... dump the ineffective loanee now and buy one of the Scottish guys with a view to acclimatising them to the Championship, to get a proper run at next season with them more ‘up to speed’.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 27, 2020 22:00:06 GMT
Maybe the thinking is one eye on next season... dump the ineffective loanee now and buy one of the Scottish guys with a view to acclimatising them to the Championship, to get a proper run at next season with them more ‘up to speed’. Makes the panic over ffp look foolish if we do that.
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Post by datguy on Jan 27, 2020 22:04:03 GMT
That last minute goal against Swansea will be very appreciated if we manage to stay up, Scott.
Good luck at Birmingham.
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Post by shrewspotter on Jan 27, 2020 22:09:29 GMT
He’s dross. Let’s hope we get Cosgrove or this Shankland For what it’s worth I’d try and offload Diouf and Duffy too Out of interest have you seen Cosgrove or ,this “Shankland” play to form a constructive opinion or is it simply a “hands in the sweetie jar” comment because it’s the transfer window Just a thought nope never seen either play but do reserve the right to comment If that’s ok with you
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jan 27, 2020 22:16:15 GMT
Out of interest have you seen Cosgrove or ,this “Shankland” play to form a constructive opinion or is it simply a “hands in the sweetie jar” comment because it’s the transfer window Just a thought nope never seen either play but do reserve the right to comment If that’s ok with you “Let’s hope we get”........then if they aren’t up to it will be you be blaming the manager?
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Post by wearepremierleague on Jan 27, 2020 22:21:14 GMT
Good luck to him. Hope he finds his feet and does well again. Apart from against us. Had limited games, and was never going to play on his own up top. Scored a few goals, and think he would score a fair few in a team that can afford two up top.
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Post by shrewspotter on Jan 27, 2020 22:41:18 GMT
nope never seen either play but do reserve the right to comment If that’s ok with you “Let’s hope we get”........then if they aren’t up to it will be you be blaming the manager? i think as they’ve both bagged 20+ goals each it is worth taking a chance in my opinion. Clearly you are never totally sure how things will pan out but their stats would suggest they know where the net is, which has to be better than Gregory, Vokes or Hogan As for the quote will I blame the manager, short answer is no. I have faith in MON and all managers make good signings and bad ones ( even Jones)
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Post by markby on Jan 27, 2020 23:33:04 GMT
I know zero about Cosgrave. But considering Michael's been living in Edinburgh for years, and his (Scottish) NI Assistant, MacPhee, is still up there with Hearts, then Michael will know plenty about him.
Thereafter it's his judgement on the line.
I'd back it.
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Post by clarkeda on Jan 28, 2020 6:36:13 GMT
Good luck to him. Hope he finds his feet and does well again. Apart from against us. Had limited games, and was never going to play on his own up top. Scored a few goals, and think he would score a fair few in a team that can afford two up top. Him and Juke up front is quite a partnership on paper
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 28, 2020 7:48:45 GMT
Has he gone yet?
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Post by pabloavfc on Jan 28, 2020 7:58:30 GMT
This gets said a lot but it's not true. The idea that it's all about the system with Hogan is false. You've broken down what I already said, in his entire career he has had a spell of 32 games spanning 2 seasons in which he has succeeded at the championship level. I mean that's nothing is it. 32 games. When we signed him it was an absolute panic buy from Bruce. I've watched him plenty and blaming the system is just wrong. His first touch is woeful, he is fast but not lightning quick and his finishing is massively exaggerated based on his short brentford spell. He struggles to get into games, barely touching the ball. He can't create chances for himself and his hold up play is virtually non existent. The fact you don't want him and he is ending up at the Shite at st Andrew's tells you everything you need to know about the guy. Seems a nice bloke but a terrible football player. A good player can play badly, but a bad player cannot play well. I saw plenty of him at Brentford (I'm not a Stokie, btw) and trust me, he showed real ability.
Fact that he hasn't ever done it for Villa possibly says more about a struggling club managed by "panic buy" Bruce, than him and all the other players who flopped after arriving at Villa Park. (How is eg Kodija doing these days?)
Or do you defend the signings policy pursued by the club?
Kodjia was signed to be a good championship striker and was for the most part. Not sure what he has to do with it. I 100% agree that being a panic buy didn't help, and lots of villa fans defended Hogan with the same excuses. The system didn't suit him, he wasn't getting the service (even though we had grealish, snodgrass and adomah in the side) but it didn't take too long for most fans to see that was rubbish. He is 27 years old and has achieved a 32 game successful spell at this level and people bang on about it like he's proven quality because of it. Have a guess who was Brentford manager when he had this amazing spell? And yet when Dean Smith had him in the villa squad, with a few injury issues, did he have faith in him? Not at all. So the manager, who got the career best spell out of him, had no interest in him. What does that tell you about the system excuse? And then he has come here and failed as well. And a shit team like Birmingham are the only ones willing to take a chance on him. If you think 32 games makes someone a good player then you've set the bar pretty low.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 9:18:17 GMT
I don't think I've ever seen a striker who - excluding goals - brings so little to the table. If he's not scoring he contributes roughly the same as a park bench strategically placed in the opposition half would. So unless he's in a team creating chance after chance and blowing teams away he's totally ineffectual.
Just get rid and forget he ever signed.......
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