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Post by jeycov on Jan 26, 2020 10:36:08 GMT
In his column, he said there's a dilemma about whether to let him go to a team in Championship relegation trouble. I think we can take that risk now can't we? No - sensible to avoid such a situation
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 26, 2020 10:37:57 GMT
I think we can take that risk now can't we? No - sensible to avoid such a situation I think I'd take the risk to save the £500k in wages. I don't think Hogan is going to be a net positive and offer above-replacement-level value for anyone in the relegation zone.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 26, 2020 10:50:26 GMT
Let him go as long as we don't have to pay a penny of of it (and please let him take Duffy with him too)!
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Post by ethers26 on Jan 26, 2020 11:22:51 GMT
Shame
I thought he'd be a good like for like sub for Campbell but oh well!
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 26, 2020 11:29:47 GMT
Let him go as long as we don't have to pay a penny of of it (and please let him take Duffy with him too)! Naths legacy my God what a shit manager he was.
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Post by hooftastic on Jan 26, 2020 11:32:05 GMT
Would much rather him play than Lee 'no pace/strength/finishing/touch or any sort of quality at all' Gregory.
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Post by jeycov on Jan 26, 2020 11:56:56 GMT
I’d let him go but ideally NOT to one of our relegation rivals was my point
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 12:02:30 GMT
He's an instinctive finisher but doesn't have many other attributes. He only works in a front 2
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 26, 2020 12:12:12 GMT
Let him go as long as we don't have to pay a penny of of it (and please let him take Duffy with him too)! Naths legacy my God what a shit manager he was. Jones must be one of the worst managers we've had in our history! This is not only about points per game, but the loan signings he made and the squad he had available as well. He thought the world about himself, but the facts tell he did a terrible job here.
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Post by shakermaker on Jan 26, 2020 12:23:15 GMT
I’d let him go but ideally NOT to one of our relegation rivals was my point i definitely wouldn't send him to Barnsley. They're Top 3 in the league for creating chances, and that's all Hogan needs to score goals. Somewhere like QPR or Hull, who could still target a play-off place, might be good for him.
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Post by pabloavfc on Jan 26, 2020 14:00:59 GMT
I'm amazed the 'all he needs is chances' myth lives on.
He is an abysmal player.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 26, 2020 14:06:16 GMT
I'm amazed the 'all he needs is chances' myth lives on. He is an abysmal player. Scored plenty for brentford
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 26, 2020 14:12:47 GMT
I'm amazed the 'all he needs is chances' myth lives on. He is an abysmal player. He looked o.k here when he was paired with Gregory then for some unknown reason the then manager decided to drop him
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Post by Billy the kid on Jan 26, 2020 14:24:30 GMT
I bet his confidence is shot to shit, isnt wanted here, and isnt wanted back at Villa, and the list of suiters could be written on a fag packet.
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 26, 2020 14:34:23 GMT
Naths legacy my God what a shit manager he was. Jones must be one of the worst managers we've had in our history! This is not only about points per game, but the loan signings he made and the squad he had available as well. He thought the world about himself, but the facts tell he did a terrible job here. He’s quite comfortably the worst manager we’ve ever had. Lambert is a strong contender for second worst, which says a lot about the couple of years we’ve just had.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 26, 2020 14:36:49 GMT
Has he gone yet?
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 26, 2020 14:54:14 GMT
Jones must be one of the worst managers we've had in our history! This is not only about points per game, but the loan signings he made and the squad he had available as well. He thought the world about himself, but the facts tell he did a terrible job here. He’s quite comfortably the worst manager we’ve ever had. Lambert is a strong contender for second worst, which says a lot about the couple of years we’ve just had. I actually think Lambert steadied the ship and was a bit unlucky not to keep us up. I think we'd done better if he had stayed instead of giving Rowett the job. We will never know of course, but that's my take on it.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 26, 2020 14:57:22 GMT
Lambert had one job and failed it miserably.
Absolutely useless.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 26, 2020 14:58:37 GMT
He’s quite comfortably the worst manager we’ve ever had. Lambert is a strong contender for second worst, which says a lot about the couple of years we’ve just had. I actually think Lambert steadied the ship and was a bit unlucky not to keep us up. I think we'd done better if he had stayed instead of giving Rowett the job. We will never know of course, but that's my take on it. Lambert was a complete disaster. We’d have had a better chance of staying up if we kept Hughes
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 26, 2020 15:03:00 GMT
I actually think Lambert steadied the ship and was a bit unlucky not to keep us up. I think we'd done better if he had stayed instead of giving Rowett the job. We will never know of course, but that's my take on it. Lambert was a complete disaster. We’d have had a better chance of staying up if we kept Hughes Disagree, Hughes had lost the plot completely and should have walked earlier.
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Jan 26, 2020 15:56:32 GMT
Lambert was given the disaster of hughes cock up. He made the initial moves to sort it out by removing berahino. The job and mess was to big a job for both rowett and Jones who both made a bad situation worse.
2 years on and MoN is still sorting the mess out with players shipped all over Europe just to keep us within the FFP rules.
Make no mistake Hughes is the biggest villain in our demise not Lambert.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jan 26, 2020 16:04:35 GMT
Lambert was a complete disaster. We’d have had a better chance of staying up if we kept Hughes Disagree, Hughes had lost the plot completely and should have walked earlier. We would have stayed up with Hughes. Lambert was clueless and almost pulled it off, we chucked away winning positions against Leicester, Burnley, Brighton and West Ham.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 26, 2020 16:05:51 GMT
Disagree, Hughes had lost the plot completely and should have walked earlier. We would have stayed up with Hughes. Lambert was clueless and almost pulled it off, we chucked away winning positions against Leicester, Burnley, Brighton and West Ham.
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Post by Billy the kid on Jan 26, 2020 16:06:52 GMT
Disagree, Hughes had lost the plot completely and should have walked earlier. We would have stayed up with Hughes. Lambert was clueless and almost pulled it off, we chucked away winning positions against Leicester, Burnley, Brighton and West Ham. That Brighton game still smarts.
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 26, 2020 16:13:54 GMT
Lambert getting credit on here is absolutely bananas
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 16:14:46 GMT
Disagree, Hughes had lost the plot completely and should have walked earlier. We would have stayed up with Hughes. Lambert was clueless and almost pulled it off, we chucked away winning positions against Leicester, Burnley, Brighton and West Ham. We seemed 'gone' for much of the season, you could see that players lacked the desire for a fight, much like with Jones this season. I don't feel that lambert did a bad job necessarily, more just an average one. It's likely that many managers could not have reversed the lack of desire seen in many of the players that season. The board made a lot of expensive mistakes, which didn't help either. For me, Hughes was a poor man's Wenger (with less money at his disposal). He was able to generate a technically decent side from the backbone of a group of hard workers inherited from his predecessor. When the old guard started to fade out, he didn't understand how to replace them. A clean sweep was needed for Lambert, and wasn't provided (nor was time given). Rowett may have done well in a season or two, but the pressure got to him. Jones was unbelievably hopeless, though I wished for much of it that he could turn it around. O'Neill appears to have the right balance: the fans don't currently expect too much, he has a plentiful of good players (who are out of form (or were)) and he will likely be given a good number of windows to organise his vision.
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 26, 2020 17:13:57 GMT
We would have stayed up with Hughes. Lambert was clueless and almost pulled it off, we chucked away winning positions against Leicester, Burnley, Brighton and West Ham. We seemed 'gone' for much of the season, you could see that players lacked the desire for a fight, much like with Jones this season. I don't feel that lambert did a bad job necessarily, more just an average one. It's likely that many managers could not have reversed the lack of desire seen in many of the players that season. The board made a lot of expensive mistakes, which didn't help either. For me, Hughes was a poor man's Wenger (with less money at his disposal). He was able to generate a technically decent side from the backbone of a group of hard workers inherited from his predecessor. When the old guard started to fade out, he didn't understand how to replace them. A clean sweep was needed for Lambert, and wasn't provided (nor was time given). Rowett may have done well in a season or two, but the pressure got to him. Jones was unbelievably hopeless, though I wished for much of it that he could turn it around. O'Neill appears to have the right balance: the fans don't currently expect too much, he has a plentiful of good players (who are out of form (or were)) and he will likely be given a good number of windows to organise his vision. He took a relegation-threatened team, made the PPG - incredibly - even worse, and assured our certain descent. I’m completely mystified as to how that is an “average” performance.. but I’ll never understand the slack Lambert often gets on here. The three worst managers we’ve ever had are Jones, Kamara and Lambert, and I’m undecided on the order of 2 and 3.
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Post by Trouserdog on Jan 26, 2020 17:46:38 GMT
We seemed 'gone' for much of the season, you could see that players lacked the desire for a fight, much like with Jones this season. I don't feel that lambert did a bad job necessarily, more just an average one. It's likely that many managers could not have reversed the lack of desire seen in many of the players that season. The board made a lot of expensive mistakes, which didn't help either. For me, Hughes was a poor man's Wenger (with less money at his disposal). He was able to generate a technically decent side from the backbone of a group of hard workers inherited from his predecessor. When the old guard started to fade out, he didn't understand how to replace them. A clean sweep was needed for Lambert, and wasn't provided (nor was time given). Rowett may have done well in a season or two, but the pressure got to him. Jones was unbelievably hopeless, though I wished for much of it that he could turn it around. O'Neill appears to have the right balance: the fans don't currently expect too much, he has a plentiful of good players (who are out of form (or were)) and he will likely be given a good number of windows to organise his vision. He took a relegation-threatened team, made the PPG - incredibly - even worse, and assured our certain descent. I’m completely mystified as to how that is an “average” performance.. but I’ll never understand the slack Lambert often gets on here. The three worst managers we’ve ever had are Jones, Kamara and Lambert, and I’m undecided on the order of 2 and 3. Alan Ball would have something (squeaky) to say about that.
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Post by nig on Jan 26, 2020 18:00:32 GMT
For me it would be jones, kamara and lambert in that order..
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Post by somersetstokie on Jan 26, 2020 20:11:06 GMT
I may have missed the answer elsewhere in the thread, but I find this current Hogan situation to be very strange. Apparently Stoke have no further need of him, but his loan period runs to the end of the season. As Aston Villa don't want him back and won't recall him, then Stoke are stuck with him, unless we can "sub let" him and find another club for him to go out on loan to. i.e If Stoke don't want the burden of paying Hogans wages, it is them, not Aston Villa, who are obliged to help him find another club to go out on loan to and out of Stoke City.
Why does this arrangement not seem to work in Stoke's favour in other situations. Why don't we say to people like Lecce, that we don't want Imbula back and if they are fed up of him its up to them to find him a new home? We should be able to put the problem firmly in the hands of whichever club has taken our player on loan, As Villa have done to us.
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