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Post by spitthedog on Jan 9, 2020 11:02:20 GMT
Article in this morning's Sentinel, by Stokie Malcolm Clarke, about the sectarian abuse chanted at MaClean during so many games. I think Malcolm is talking sense - as he usually does. linkGood article, thanks for posting
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Post by pez75 on Jan 9, 2020 11:34:13 GMT
Phenomenally? Wow. I think you and I must have very different views on what qualifies as 'phenomenal'. I don't like McClean (as a footballer, his politics mean nothing to me) but will gladly admit he's been one of our better players of late, but we're 21st in the Championship with the most expensive squad ever assembled and the largest wage bill by a country mile... we don't have any players that have been phenomenal. I agree some people have already made their mind up on him, but equally I think a lot of fans are blind to the fact he's not a technically gifted footballer by the fact he runs through brick walls. That is admirable - however hard work, for me, should be a prerequisite. He's had a few good games as I've said, but that doesn't make him a good footballer. He still creates very little and doesn't score many either. I would swap him (along with pretty much every other member of the squad) in a heartbeat. If people are happy being a lower end Championship team then McClean's your man. Yes phenomenally, in terms of our team and our current status, I'm not saying he is on a par with the greatest in the world, of course I am not, but as a term of expression in relation to the rest of the squad, McClean is miles above everyone at the moment other than Clucas. Hard work should always be a pre requisite I agree, however we have learned, that this isn't what you get most of the time. McClean has been delivering crosses, assisting with 5 of our goals and scoring 4. We've scored 33 all season, he has had a hand in 27% of our goals. Not bad for someone who started the season out of position. Him and Clucas are vital. O'Neill has helped improve McClean's performances by letting a simple player do simple things. He's making him more effective which is what we need at the moment but overall he is still a poor player and we could do so much better. Whether that is addressed in this window is probably not a priority, but I hope we replace him sooner rather than later.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 9, 2020 12:25:10 GMT
Yes phenomenally, in terms of our team and our current status, I'm not saying he is on a par with the greatest in the world, of course I am not, but as a term of expression in relation to the rest of the squad, McClean is miles above everyone at the moment other than Clucas. Hard work should always be a pre requisite I agree, however we have learned, that this isn't what you get most of the time. McClean has been delivering crosses, assisting with 5 of our goals and scoring 4. We've scored 33 all season, he has had a hand in 27% of our goals. Not bad for someone who started the season out of position. Him and Clucas are vital. O'Neill has helped improve McClean's performances by letting a simple player do simple things. He's making him more effective which is what we need at the moment but overall he is still a poor player and we could do so much better. Whether that is addressed in this window is probably not a priority, but I hope we replace him sooner rather than later. "Probably not a priority!" you can say that again! If, in our current position as regards FFP, we moved to replace one of our 3 or 4 most effective players under this manager, (unless the player got injured or was going to move on) we'd need to give our heads a wobble.
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Post by nonameface on Jan 9, 2020 12:47:35 GMT
Yes phenomenally, in terms of our team and our current status, I'm not saying he is on a par with the greatest in the world, of course I am not, but as a term of expression in relation to the rest of the squad, McClean is miles above everyone at the moment other than Clucas. Hard work should always be a pre requisite I agree, however we have learned, that this isn't what you get most of the time. McClean has been delivering crosses, assisting with 5 of our goals and scoring 4. We've scored 33 all season, he has had a hand in 27% of our goals. Not bad for someone who started the season out of position. Him and Clucas are vital. O'Neill has helped improve McClean's performances by letting a simple player do simple things. He's making him more effective which is what we need at the moment but overall he is still a poor player and we could do so much better. Whether that is addressed in this window is probably not a priority, but I hope we replace him sooner rather than later. McLean is one of the few players who can take a man on for pace/aggression and then play a decent ball. He's possibly the last player I'd look to change, including Clucas who has been better than McLean so far this season. Just because he doesn't over do things people miss McLean's quality, he just keeps it simple. He's provided the most successful crosses in the whole of the championship for example; that in the biggest underperforming team in it. He's a good player who I didn't really want to sign but I'm pleased he did in retrospect, we'd be relegated by now if not for him.
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Post by mcw on Jan 9, 2020 15:53:43 GMT
I haven't read the whole thread (so I have I no idea what, I assume, complete bollocks Bayern is saying) but McClean has been absolutely outstanding this season. Whilst Bayern has been praising the absolutely pathetic Ince, Mac has been carrying us on the opposite flank. We're in the shit and McClean is absolutely the type of player we need to get us out of this. Bayern would rather have his head in the clouds, lauding after the worst player most of us have ever seen. Totally agree, I can not understand the dog's abuse he gets when he is giving what most Stoke fans would consider the minimum- i.e. putting a shift in and leaving the pitch with nothing left in the tank. We have far too many players who don't do that and as a a result even though they could be classed as technically superior (Ince) are not fit to lace his boots. That is also doing him down as in all honesty he has been the only one who has consistently looked like being able to beat a man, travel with pace with the ball and deliver a decent ball into the box.
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Post by senbonzakura on Jan 9, 2020 21:10:26 GMT
I've had a look at the Millwall forum and they don't seem very fond of our left winger. I'm guessing when they are talking about breaking legs they are not talking about wishing good luck. They will enjoy the look of the programme at the weekend then. Seems they don't like our club either, rotten to the core they say. I always thought they looked such a pleasant bunch too when they used to be locked in that cage behind the Stoke end with a ball to keep them good.
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Post by lordb on Jan 9, 2020 21:16:10 GMT
He's scoring the winner on Saturday That way we win and Rowett gets to say he was right all along.
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Post by senbonzakura on Jan 9, 2020 21:25:54 GMT
No doubt they will be chirping at the weekend, they won't be able to help themselves so we need to give him our support. No one can question his effort or commitment.
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Post by liathroid on Feb 25, 2020 19:12:00 GMT
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 25, 2020 19:57:56 GMT
Yes phenomenally, in terms of our team and our current status, I'm not saying he is on a par with the greatest in the world, of course I am not, but as a term of expression in relation to the rest of the squad, McClean is miles above everyone at the moment other than Clucas. Hard work should always be a pre requisite I agree, however we have learned, that this isn't what you get most of the time. McClean has been delivering crosses, assisting with 5 of our goals and scoring 4. We've scored 33 all season, he has had a hand in 27% of our goals. Not bad for someone who started the season out of position. Him and Clucas are vital. O'Neill has helped improve McClean's performances by letting a simple player do simple things. He's making him more effective which is what we need at the moment but overall he is still a poor player and we could do so much better. Whether that is addressed in this window is probably not a priority, but I hope we replace him sooner rather than later. I think to describe him as a "poor player" is harsh in the extreme. He will be one of the main reasons if not the main reason we survive this season. In my opinion he is very far from a poor player.
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