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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 20, 2019 21:53:39 GMT
The crux of it is we don’t have any players of any quality.
Only Powell looks like he has a modicum of skill and time the rest are just players who chase but have no technical skill or the ability to run a game.
I thought the only player today playing like he wanted to win the game was Allen who I thought was decent. The rest are just journeyman players on big wages.
Ward is so slow it’s unbelievable, Ince bone idle and Clucas just seems to disappear for lengthy periods. We are a shambles.
It’s a thankless task for ONeill because whoever he picks won’t work so poor is our squad. He clearly isn’t allowed to pick Badou and Etebo because they’d be guaranteed starters.
Until he’s allowed to bring his own players in even if on loan nothing will change. We need a minimum of 3/4 starters in in January.
A decent side would have killed that game off by HT Boro were woeful.
Scholes out.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 20, 2019 22:00:55 GMT
The crux of it is we don’t have any players of any quality. Only Powell looks like he has a modicum of skill and time the rest are just players who chase but have no technical skill or the ability to run a game. I thought the player today playing like he wanted to win the game was Allen who I thought was decent. The rest are just journeyman players on big wages. Ward is so slow it’s unbelievable, Ince bone idle and Clucas just seems to disappear for lengthy periods. We are a shambles. It’s a thankless task for ONeill because whoever he picks won’t work so poor is our squad. He clearly isn’t allowed to pick Badou and Etebo because they’d be guaranteed starters. Until he’s allowed to bring his own players in even if on loan nothing will change. We need a minimum of 3/4 starters in in January. A decent side would have killed that game off by HT Boro were woeful. Scholes out. A lot of truth to that, but I don't like the 4-3-3 formation. We can't defend, so we might as well attack. Mind you, we can't attack, either. |
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Post by pavel on Dec 20, 2019 22:01:17 GMT
All managers must carry some of the blame and O’Neil is just doing the same as the managers before him, playing a system he hasn’t got the players for, not playing his best players, persisting with “names” rather that players with some pace and hunger and freezing players out. You can add to that his negative team selection that doesn’t have an iota of flair in it. No it’s not all down to him but he’s not helping himself with the team setup and his team selection, never mind the subs.
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Post by citynickscfc on Dec 20, 2019 22:03:47 GMT
Erm.....it I his fault actually.
He's shown nothing to suggest he's any good at anything. Subs? No. Selection. No. Improvement? Only in conversion and results, to teams already below us or actually dog shit. Losing every game to opposition with any sense of tactical ability. Playing a wank formation? Yep.
So, were fucked, and yes he is also part to blame. He's crap.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 20, 2019 22:05:31 GMT
It's Jones and Rowett's fault for filling the squad full of shit.
We should have signed Gayle instead of all the lower league shit.
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Post by stokemark on Dec 20, 2019 22:05:41 GMT
He’s has shown little sign of playing our best players and made some awful tactical decision
It’s not his fault I agree but he is a patsy put in place by a clueless Board and CEO
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Post by adamsson on Dec 20, 2019 22:05:50 GMT
It's not all his fault but he is showing no signs of progress
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Post by hyaduck on Dec 20, 2019 22:06:47 GMT
Not the managers fault... Of course it's the managers fault, he has players who are better than others who he chooses not to play
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Post by march4 on Dec 20, 2019 22:07:50 GMT
Of course it’s the manager’s fault.
He can’t even make a substitution without making a mess of it never mind motivate the players.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 20, 2019 22:07:51 GMT
It is.
Nathan Jones.
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Post by bagnallboothen on Dec 20, 2019 22:08:42 GMT
Might not be entirely his fault but my god he's not helping himself.
Not a great deal has changed, we can't defend for toffee, toothless in attack.
Whoever got the job had to stop us conceding first and foremost. Bar 2 clean sheets against 2 pub sides at home he's failed, miserably.
The way the back 4 come out for the first goal is a joke, it's all over the place.
He's been here 2 months and we still have a back 4 incapable of coming out of the box in a straight line.
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Post by supacoopa101 on Dec 20, 2019 22:10:14 GMT
Previous managerial decisions and basic recruitment standards that haven't been met.
Can we start protesting yet?
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Post by swampySCFC on Dec 20, 2019 22:11:26 GMT
NJ is responsible for cluttering a squad with overpaid has beens that couldnt cut it elsewhere and this is the result. What a fucking deluded idiot he was
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 22:12:38 GMT
Needs to ditch the lone striker nonsense.
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Post by serpico on Dec 20, 2019 22:13:06 GMT
He's dropped some bollocks but this calamitous mess was created long before O'Neill came, its like giving someone a clapped out banger and asking them to go win the monaco grand prix with it, he's not a miracle worker.
You're deluding yourself if you think any of the other potential managers could have done any better, including Pulis.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 20, 2019 22:14:42 GMT
Might not be entirely his fault but my god he's not helping himself. Not a great deal has changed, we can't defend for toffee, toothless in attack. Whoever got the job had to stop us conceding first and foremost. Bar 2 clean sheets against 2 pub sides at home he's failed, miserably. The way the back 4 come out for the first goal is a joke, it's all over the place. He's been here 2 months and we still have a back 4 incapable of coming out of the box in a straight line. The problem is so poor are our players and so badly built is the squad that we could play 442, 433, 4231, 352 and it wouldn’t work. In our squad we have no pace none whatsoever or playmakers which leaves us with 0 creativity. Can someone tell me what the answer because I can’t see it. |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 20, 2019 22:15:46 GMT
Needs to ditch the lone striker nonsense. So rather than playing with one useless striker we can play with 2. |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 20, 2019 22:17:00 GMT
Might not be entirely his fault but my god he's not helping himself. Not a great deal has changed, we can't defend for toffee, toothless in attack. Whoever got the job had to stop us conceding first and foremost. Bar 2 clean sheets against 2 pub sides at home he's failed, miserably. The way the back 4 come out for the first goal is a joke, it's all over the place. He's been here 2 months and we still have a back 4 incapable of coming out of the box in a straight line. Maybe it’s the players he’s working with |
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Post by numpty40 on Dec 20, 2019 22:17:04 GMT
The manager selects the team and the formation.
I appreciate many on here think 4-4-2 is old fashioned but it's a proven solid formation, the old saying "two solid banks of four"
If you have a front 3 of Mane, Firmino and Salah at your disposal then yes a 4-3-3 will work, when you have a front 3 of Vokes/Gregory, Ince and McClean then I'll guarantee it wont work.
The worrying thing for me though is that when MON decided to go 4-4-2 his front two was Gregory and Vokes, possibly two of the three slowest professional footballers in league football.
The third? Danny fucking Baath.
We seem to have recruited another wank manager, it's becoming the norm rather than the exception.
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Post by robrigo on Dec 20, 2019 22:17:12 GMT
The fault lies with the people who run our club and a catalogue thicker than Kay’s of mistakes they’ve made over the last few years.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 22:18:03 GMT
Needs to ditch the lone striker nonsense. So rather than playing with one useless striker we can play with 2. It's a better system. It helps Vokes be less shit. it allows the wingers to be wingers without relying on the fullbacks who clearly none of them are up to overlapping for one reason or another. I could live with Powell playing off Vokes or Gregory, Vokes and Gregory, Gregory and Hogan (Which I'm inclined to think would get us the most goals or Diouf and Gregory. |
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Post by werrington on Dec 20, 2019 22:18:11 GMT
He slated a few players without naming them in that interview
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 22:18:35 GMT
No it isn't the managers fault.
It is the fault of Peter Coates, John Coates and Tony Scholes.
Throwing ludicrous money at a manager that couldn't handle it, asking a rookie with a quirky system to put it right with a tenth of the money and finally turning to an International manager who is job sharing in order to keep his position open incase he fails.
We're run by imbeciles with big hearts and pockets.
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Post by bagnallboothen on Dec 20, 2019 22:20:59 GMT
Might not be entirely his fault but my god he's not helping himself. Not a great deal has changed, we can't defend for toffee, toothless in attack. Whoever got the job had to stop us conceding first and foremost. Bar 2 clean sheets against 2 pub sides at home he's failed, miserably. The way the back 4 come out for the first goal is a joke, it's all over the place. He's been here 2 months and we still have a back 4 incapable of coming out of the box in a straight line. The problem is so poor are our players and so badly built is the squad that we could play 442, 433, 4231, 352 and it wouldn’t work. In our squad we have no pace none whatsoever or playmakers which leaves us with 0 creativity. Can someone tell me what the answer because I can’t see it. The answer is to surely stop conceding goals as frequently to start with. Having no attacking players and needing to score 3 goals a game to win isn't a good recipe. I honestly thought he'd come in and sort the defensive issues, he's come in and solved nothing. Not one thing to date. |
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Post by supacoopa101 on Dec 20, 2019 22:21:23 GMT
Might not be entirely his fault but my god he's not helping himself. Not a great deal has changed, we can't defend for toffee, toothless in attack. Whoever got the job had to stop us conceding first and foremost. Bar 2 clean sheets against 2 pub sides at home he's failed, miserably. The way the back 4 come out for the first goal is a joke, it's all over the place. He's been here 2 months and we still have a back 4 incapable of coming out of the box in a straight line. The problem is so poor are our players and so badly built is the squad that we could play 442, 433, 4231, 352 and it wouldn’t work. In our squad we have no pace none whatsoever or playmakers which leaves us with 0 creativity. Can someone tell me what the answer because I can’t see it. Answer is Get relegated Sell all players that are on stupid wages Sack Scholes Appoint a competent CEO and Director of Football maybe even a Head of Recruitment to. Start from scratch utilising some of the young players like Collins and Campbell (if he's still here) and look at getting young up and coming players in the lower leagues as well as a few premier league or championship loans. Sounds easy on paper right? |
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Post by stokemark on Dec 20, 2019 22:21:48 GMT
No it isn't the managers fault. It is the fault of Peter Coates, John Coates and Tony Scholes. Throwing ludicrous money at a manager that couldn't handle it, asking a rookie with a quirky system to put it right with a tenth of the money and finally turning to an International manager who is job sharing in order to keep his position open incase he fails. We're run by imbeciles with big hearts and pockets. Spot on At least for all their errors I do believe the Coates family are full of good intent How that clown Scholes is still in a job though beggars belief |
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Post by s7oke on Dec 20, 2019 22:22:14 GMT
Might not be entirely his fault but my god he's not helping himself. Not a great deal has changed, we can't defend for toffee, toothless in attack. Whoever got the job had to stop us conceding first and foremost. Bar 2 clean sheets against 2 pub sides at home he's failed, miserably. The way the back 4 come out for the first goal is a joke, it's all over the place. He's been here 2 months and we still have a back 4 incapable of coming out of the box in a straight line. The problem is so poor are our players and so badly built is the squad that we could play 442, 433, 4231, 352 and it wouldn’t work. In our squad we have no pace none whatsoever or playmakers which leaves us with 0 creativity. Can someone tell me what the answer because I can’t see it. January I hope !!! |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 20, 2019 22:22:40 GMT
It's not his fault of course in the greater scheme of things but he's been poor overall. Stubborn and inflexible and I'm sorry a lot of that post match was simply gibberish.
He said that 433 best suited the players he has but some of the players he picked in it don't suit the system.
What the fuck is he on about?
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Post by loosestools on Dec 20, 2019 22:25:22 GMT
Stop persisting with Vokes. He wants melting down, he is so shit it is beyond credibility.
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Post by s7oke on Dec 20, 2019 22:25:32 GMT
No it isn't the managers fault. It is the fault of Peter Coates, John Coates and Tony Scholes. Throwing ludicrous money at a manager that couldn't handle it, asking a rookie with a quirky system to put it right with a tenth of the money and finally turning to an International manager who is job sharing in order to keep his position open incase he fails. We're run by imbeciles with big hearts and pockets. We should never have fucked Lambert off !!! |
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