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Post by swampySCFC on Dec 20, 2019 22:29:37 GMT
No it isn't the managers fault. It is the fault of Peter Coates, John Coates and Tony Scholes. Throwing ludicrous money at a manager that couldn't handle it, asking a rookie with a quirky system to put it right with a tenth of the money and finally turning to an International manager who is job sharing in order to keep his position open incase he fails. We're run by imbeciles with big hearts and pockets. We should never have fucked Lambert off !!! What are you on about we have improved measurably since he left
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 22:36:36 GMT
Persists with one up front even though it’s shown no signs of working. Leaves better players out of the starting 11 Makes some appalling subs.
The man is as clueless as the rest.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 20, 2019 22:42:27 GMT
The way he's using it is though, its a squad made by three different managers that wanted three different things so it wouldn't be easy but he's come in saying he has no set way of playing and he will try to tailor what we do to the players, that isn't happening, we were doing better under Jones in creating chances etc we just looked awful at the back, finishing wasn't great either but at least we were creating, we're now going backwards and being awful at both ends of the pitch, this isn't a we should have kept Jones post but he needs to change things quickly, 4-3-3 clearly isn't the best use of this squad, its leaving players isolated all over place.
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Post by ibby on Dec 21, 2019 0:01:55 GMT
MON just hasn't got it in him.
Stoke need a manager who could hit the ground running.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Dec 21, 2019 0:08:05 GMT
The crux of it is we don’t have any players of any quality. Only Powell looks like he has a modicum of skill and time the rest are just players who chase but have no technical skill or the ability to run a game. I thought the only player today playing like he wanted to win the game was Allen who I thought was decent. The rest are just journeyman players on big wages. Ward is so slow it’s unbelievable, Ince bone idle and Clucas just seems to disappear for lengthy periods. We are a shambles. It’s a thankless task for ONeill because whoever he picks won’t work so poor is our squad. He clearly isn’t allowed to pick Badou and Etebo because they’d be guaranteed starters. Until he’s allowed to bring his own players in even if on loan nothing will change. We need a minimum of 3/4 starters in in January. A decent side would have killed that game off by HT Boro were woeful. Scholes out. Whio isn't playing Badou and Etebo fucking Santa Claus ? He doesnt take much blame but if he is happy to leave the best midfielders out not blameless either. He keeps picking Ince too and Vokes even Jones sussed them .
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Post by expectedtoulouse on Dec 21, 2019 0:28:45 GMT
How about playing Diouf - the one striker in the squad who can run, win a header and has scored goals above the Unibond Midlands Premier Division 2.
How about giving Powell a start?
How about giving our 2 best centre mids a start?
Oh no, if you’re creative or a non UK&I player you’ve got no chance with this clown!
Piss off back to Ballymena please.
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Post by LankyPotter on Dec 21, 2019 0:52:09 GMT
The crux of it is we don’t have any players of any quality. Only Powell looks like he has a modicum of skill and time the rest are just players who chase but have no technical skill or the ability to run a game. I thought the player today playing like he wanted to win the game was Allen who I thought was decent. The rest are just journeyman players on big wages. Ward is so slow it’s unbelievable, Ince bone idle and Clucas just seems to disappear for lengthy periods. We are a shambles. It’s a thankless task for ONeill because whoever he picks won’t work so poor is our squad. He clearly isn’t allowed to pick Badou and Etebo because they’d be guaranteed starters. Until he’s allowed to bring his own players in even if on loan nothing will change. We need a minimum of 3/4 starters in in January. A decent side would have killed that game off by HT Boro were woeful. Scholes out. A lot of truth to that, but I don't like the 4-3-3 formation. We can't defend, so we might as well attack. Mind you, we can't attack, either. We have tried every formation tbh and nothing works with these spineless cunts, 0-1 is about character and the weasels have followed their usual script.
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Post by march4 on Dec 21, 2019 1:01:23 GMT
Might not be entirely his fault but my god he's not helping himself. Not a great deal has changed, we can't defend for toffee, toothless in attack. Whoever got the job had to stop us conceding first and foremost. Bar 2 clean sheets against 2 pub sides at home he's failed, miserably. The way the back 4 come out for the first goal is a joke, it's all over the place. He's been here 2 months and we still have a back 4 incapable of coming out of the box in a straight line. Maybe it’s the players he’s working with Maybe it’s his lack of credibility with the players.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2019 1:02:32 GMT
How many times is he going change his mind when subbing a player? It happened the other week at home. We look a bunch of amateurs making it up as we go along
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Post by LankyPotter on Dec 21, 2019 1:17:25 GMT
It's not all his fault but he is showing no signs of progress That’s not true - the point per game is better under O’Neil
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Post by matelot1996 on Dec 21, 2019 1:19:33 GMT
MON just hasn't got it in him. Stoke need a manager who could hit the ground running. Pep fucking Guadiola couldn’t hit the ground running with this den of cunts
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Post by pushon on Dec 21, 2019 1:25:35 GMT
No it isn't the managers fault. It is the fault of Peter Coates, John Coates and Tony Scholes. Throwing ludicrous money at a manager that couldn't handle it, asking a rookie with a quirky system to put it right with a tenth of the money and finally turning to an International manager who is job sharing in order to keep his position open incase he fails. We're run by imbeciles with big hearts and pockets. We should never have fucked Lambert off !!! Or Mark Hughes.
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Post by Olgrligm on Dec 21, 2019 1:40:34 GMT
There are two key problems at Stoke:
1) Recruitment. This goes beyond the manager. Under the last five managers, we've signed at least eight box-to-box type central midfielders and zero specialist defensive midfielders. Consequently, we can't even control the midfield against the worst teams in this league. The previous manager had a system based on wing backs, but the recruitment team turned up nobody except for James Justin and Jack Stacey. Last summer's transfer strategy was based around shifting players out of the door, but the failure to do so has resulted in a bloated squad.
2) The players. I'm sorry, but there's a mental problem running right through the squad. They visibly don't want to play against all but the top teams in this league, as if it's somehow beneath them. They're completely indifferent to the game going on around them and seem to think that things would be better if only our long suffering supporters were a bit nicer to them after our latest defeat at goodness knows where. Is it fear of failure? Is it just apathy? I have no idea, but I don't think it's necessarily a question of individual ability.
I think it's wholly unfair that consecutive managers are coping the abuse and pressure brought about principally by the failures of the above. If I was to compose a top ten of biggest issues since relegation, I doubt that the managers would feature even then.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 21, 2019 1:45:47 GMT
There are two key problems at Stoke: 1) Recruitment. This goes beyond the manager. Under the last five managers, we've signed at least eight box-to-box type central midfielders and zero specialist defensive midfielders. Consequently, we can't even control the midfield against the worst teams in this league. The previous manager had a system based on wing backs, but the recruitment team turned up nobody except for James Justin and Jack Stacey. Last summer's transfer strategy was based around shifting players out of the door, but the failure to do so has resulted in a bloated squad. 2) The players. I'm sorry, but there's a mental problem running right through the squad. They visibly don't want to play against all but the top teams in this league, as if it's somehow beneath them. They're completely indifferent to the game going on around them and seem to think that things would be better if only our long suffering supporters were a bit nicer to them after our latest defeat at goodness knows where. Is it fear of failure? Is it just apathy? I have no idea, but I don't think it's necessarily a question of individual ability. I think it's wholly unfair that consecutive managers are coping the abuse and pressure brought about principally by the failures of the above. If I was to compose a top ten of biggest issues since relegation, I doubt that the managers would feature even then. I would like one of these managers to come in and not play 433 though. That’d be lovely.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 21, 2019 4:34:09 GMT
The crux of it is we don’t have any players of any quality. Only Powell looks like he has a modicum of skill and time the rest are just players who chase but have no technical skill or the ability to run a game. I thought the only player today playing like he wanted to win the game was Allen who I thought was decent. The rest are just journeyman players on big wages. Ward is so slow it’s unbelievable, Ince bone idle and Clucas just seems to disappear for lengthy periods. We are a shambles. It’s a thankless task for ONeill because whoever he picks won’t work so poor is our squad. He clearly isn’t allowed to pick Badou and Etebo because they’d be guaranteed starters. Until he’s allowed to bring his own players in even if on loan nothing will change. We need a minimum of 3/4 starters in in January. A decent side would have killed that game off by HT Boro were woeful. Scholes out. Whio isn't playing Badou and Etebo fucking Santa Claus ? He doesnt take much blame but if he is happy to leave the best midfielders out not blameless either. He keeps picking Ince too and Vokes even Jones sussed them . I think we know why he’s not playing Badou and Etebo though he won’t come out and say it. Because they’re on there way and he’s either had instructions from the board or they’ve had there head turned there’s no other explanation.
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Post by wilcopotter on Dec 21, 2019 6:02:59 GMT
NI is his safe haven
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Post by questionable on Dec 21, 2019 6:08:05 GMT
NJ is responsible for cluttering a squad with overpaid has beens that couldnt cut it elsewhere and this is the result. What a fucking deluded idiot he was Yes Jones/Rowett are massively to blame but from what people have suggested they’re offered players to choose from mainly. The pathetic “process” the Coates family implemented is a major factor we are where we are today. Our demise started years ago with their sheer arrogance and the likes of Scholes being given a free reign whilst babysitting little Junior. We’re also partially to blame for not voicing our disapproval years ago.
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Post by f1rew0rks on Dec 21, 2019 6:11:31 GMT
It's Jones and Rowett's fault for filling the squad full of shit. We should have signed Gayle instead of all the lower league shit. and if gayle disnt want to sign for us? what then ?
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Post by wuzza on Dec 21, 2019 6:22:31 GMT
NJ is responsible for cluttering a squad with overpaid has beens that couldnt cut it elsewhere and this is the result. What a fucking deluded idiot he was Yes Jones/Rowett are massively to blame but from what people have suggested they’re offered players to choose from mainly. The pathetic “process” the Coates family implemented is a major factor we are where we are today. Our demise started years ago with their sheer arrogance and the likes of Scholes being given a free reign whilst babysitting little Junior. We’re also partially to blame for not voicing our disapproval years ago. No manager that has left has ever claimed they had players foisted on them - no point in trying to deflect it , they simply made dreadful choices. The owners/directors blame lies simply with the fact they employed poor managers who made those choices.
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Post by s7oke on Dec 21, 2019 6:23:20 GMT
We should never have fucked Lambert off !!! Or Mark Hughes. No we should definitely have fucked Mark Hughes off !! But 12 months sooner than we did
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Post by SCFC92 on Dec 21, 2019 6:23:25 GMT
It's the boardrooms, we can't keep getting new managers, the blame lays at the top.
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Post by s7oke on Dec 21, 2019 6:25:40 GMT
It's the boardrooms, we can't keep getting new managers, the blame lays at the top. The board is so fucking naive it’s untrue. They buy whoever the manager wants in the hope that they know what they are doing It’s pathetic
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Post by SCFC92 on Dec 21, 2019 6:28:03 GMT
It's the boardrooms, we can't keep getting new managers, the blame lays at the top. The board is so fucking naive it’s untrue. They buy whoever the manager wants in the hope that they know what they are doing It’s pathetic The noises O'Neill is making in his pressers also suggest this. He is basically saying, 'This squad is an unbalanced bunch of cow shit that I'm trying to stumble into January with, without ending up too far behind'
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Post by s7oke on Dec 21, 2019 6:29:42 GMT
The board is so fucking naive it’s untrue. They buy whoever the manager wants in the hope that they know what they are doing It’s pathetic The noises O'Neill is making in his pressers also suggest this. He is basically saying, 'This squad is an unbalanced bunch of cow shit that I'm trying to stumble into January with, without ending up too far behind' Yes and if it is that board that’s telling him not to play ndiaye and etebo until they are sold it’s disgusting
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Post by questionable on Dec 21, 2019 6:30:10 GMT
Yes Jones/Rowett are massively to blame but from what people have suggested they’re offered players to choose from mainly. The pathetic “process” the Coates family implemented is a major factor we are where we are today. Our demise started years ago with their sheer arrogance and the likes of Scholes being given a free reign whilst babysitting little Junior. We’re also partially to blame for not voicing our disapproval years ago. No manager that has left has ever claimed they had players foisted on them - no point in trying to deflect it , they simply made dreadful choices. The owners/directors blame lies simply with the fact they employed poor managers who made those choices. I’m not to sure about that as did I read on most occasions a list was presented to managers and told to choose from, after all we employ vastly more bad players than managers
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Post by s7oke on Dec 21, 2019 6:34:50 GMT
MON just hasn't got it in him. Stoke need a manager who could hit the ground running. Based on what ? Guardiola couldn’t get these fuckers firing they are that unbalanced as a squad
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2019 6:38:33 GMT
The crux of it is we don’t have any players of any quality. Only Powell looks like he has a modicum of skill and time the rest are just players who chase but have no technical skill or the ability to run a game. I thought the only player today playing like he wanted to win the game was Allen who I thought was decent. The rest are just journeyman players on big wages. Ward is so slow it’s unbelievable, Ince bone idle and Clucas just seems to disappear for lengthy periods. We are a shambles. It’s a thankless task for ONeill because whoever he picks won’t work so poor is our squad. He clearly isn’t allowed to pick Badou and Etebo because they’d be guaranteed starters. Until he’s allowed to bring his own players in even if on loan nothing will change. We need a minimum of 3/4 starters in in January. A decent side would have killed that game off by HT Boro were woeful. Scholes out. 'Bringing in his own players', now where have I heard that before? The transfer window won't change a thing, if O'Neill can't tell his players to simple basics of football like tackling, covering, passing to a team mate, shooting at goal without aiming at, not past, the goalie, and chasing back if you lose a ball, which we do all the time.
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Post by s7oke on Dec 21, 2019 6:39:31 GMT
No manager that has left has ever claimed they had players foisted on them - no point in trying to deflect it , they simply made dreadful choices. The owners/directors blame lies simply with the fact they employed poor managers who made those choices. I’m not to sure about that as did I read on most occasions a list was presented to managers and told to choose from, after all we employ vastly more bad players than managers I don’t agree with that at all Maybe the managers chose players they wanted and were then presented with a list of who was obtainable from who they wanted Hughes players from Spain Germany and his old clubs Rowetts players from who he wanted and who he had chased at derby when he was manager there Jones players ones he knew or knew of The mix is just too big to suggest otherwise
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Post by s7oke on Dec 21, 2019 6:42:48 GMT
The crux of it is we don’t have any players of any quality. Only Powell looks like he has a modicum of skill and time the rest are just players who chase but have no technical skill or the ability to run a game. I thought the only player today playing like he wanted to win the game was Allen who I thought was decent. The rest are just journeyman players on big wages. Ward is so slow it’s unbelievable, Ince bone idle and Clucas just seems to disappear for lengthy periods. We are a shambles. It’s a thankless task for ONeill because whoever he picks won’t work so poor is our squad. He clearly isn’t allowed to pick Badou and Etebo because they’d be guaranteed starters. Until he’s allowed to bring his own players in even if on loan nothing will change. We need a minimum of 3/4 starters in in January. A decent side would have killed that game off by HT Boro were woeful. Scholes out. 'Bringing in his own players', now where have I heard that before? The transfer window won't change a thing, if O'Neill can't tell his players to simple basics of football like tackling, covering, passing to a team mate, shooting at goal without aiming at, not past, the goalie, and chasing back if you lose a ball, which we do all the time. But maybe he will sign players who have an ounce of talent rather than players with non or the wrong attitude It’s like having a class of naughty school kid’s if they don’t wanna do something they won’t It’s back down to that old chestnut DNA AGAIN!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2019 6:46:24 GMT
'Bringing in his own players', now where have I heard that before? The transfer window won't change a thing, if O'Neill can't tell his players to simple basics of football like tackling, covering, passing to a team mate, shooting at goal without aiming at, not past, the goalie, and chasing back if you lose a ball, which we do all the time. But maybe he will sign players who have an ounce of talent rather than players with non or the wrong attitude It’s like having a class of naughty school kid’s if they don’t wanna do something they won’t It’s back down to that old chestnut DNA AGAIN!! There's plenty of talent at the club already. We still have the most expensive squad money can buy in the league. Buying new ones won't change anything if the manager/coaches can't change their way of managing/coaching the team.
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