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Post by s7oke on Dec 21, 2019 6:50:30 GMT
But maybe he will sign players who have an ounce of talent rather than players with non or the wrong attitude It’s like having a class of naughty school kid’s if they don’t wanna do something they won’t It’s back down to that old chestnut DNA AGAIN!! There's plenty of talent at the club already. We still have the most expensive squad money can buy in the league. Buying new ones won't change anything if the manager/coaches can't change their way of managing/coaching the team. But it’s so unbalanced and has no pace so we need new players And yes it’s the most expensive squad of purchased players but exactly what are they worth ? Not a lot !
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Post by s7oke on Dec 21, 2019 6:54:32 GMT
Our squad is like buying a brand new Ferrari for full price but the engine and brakes are missing ! so it’s bloody useless unless you want to look at it and go no where and tell everyone how much it was !
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Post by wuzza on Dec 21, 2019 6:56:38 GMT
No manager that has left has ever claimed they had players foisted on them - no point in trying to deflect it , they simply made dreadful choices. The owners/directors blame lies simply with the fact they employed poor managers who made those choices. I’m not to sure about that as did I read on most occasions a list was presented to managers and told to choose from, after all we employ vastly more bad players than managers I honestly think a lot of ‘theories’ have been developed because people can’t accept what is quite a simple scenario. A set of managers have made a series of dreadful recruitment choices (and contract extensions) that have been facilitated by the owners wealth and we and they are now paying the price. The only manager with a slightest of slight excuses is Hughes when we were trying to initiate a ‘self sufficiency’ theory but even that can’t justify how spectacularly badly he got it wrong.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Dec 21, 2019 7:12:38 GMT
Poisoned chalice.
The managerial burial ground.
You've got to be mad to pay for a season ticket to watch this shite next season. We may go down but hands up anyone who thinks it will be any better? We have shown nothing in 4 years to suggest they will get it right in recruitment even in division 3 (three).
Roll up roll up, mugs.
Next season... ' scfc division 3 'bookies favourites'....
crushed by ffp & 10 games in... " league 1 is a difficult league to get out of, every one wants to up their game V the big boys" blah blah blah
Gazza not doing to bad at millwall after being sacked 8 points off 6th with half a season to go....flying infact.
We will be loaning the likes of Preston's & blackburns fringe players next season.
You can only hope we don't get a vale cup fixture, they would beat us now never mind next season.
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Post by itsajoytobeapotter on Dec 21, 2019 8:09:55 GMT
The squad that he is saddled with is not MONs fault but the inflexibility he is showing in selection and formation is. In his own way he is as limited as Jones. MON is a disciple of 4-3-3 just as Jones was a slavish believer in the diamond and neither of them show any great desire to br flexible. I don't expect the January window to offer any improvement and firmly believe we will be relegated in 24th place. Nice one John Coates.
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Post by bagnallboothen on Dec 21, 2019 8:12:42 GMT
It's not all his fault but he is showing no signs of progress That’s not true - the point per game is better under O’Neil Look at the teams we've picked points up against. And look at the fixtures where we have picked nothing up. If you think anything major has changed because we've beat Barnsley, Wigan and Luton you're deluding yourself.
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Post by citynickscfc on Dec 21, 2019 8:13:12 GMT
The squad that he is saddled with is not MONs fault but the inflexibility he is showing in selection and formation is. In his own way he is as limited as Jones. MON is a disciple of 4-3-3 just as Jones was a slavish believer in the diamond and neither of them show any great desire to br flexible. I don't expect the January window to offer any improvement and firmly believe we will be relegated in 24th place. Nice one John Coates. Inflexible in managerial terms generally means... shit?
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Post by sportsman on Dec 21, 2019 8:14:17 GMT
I'll back them all and I'm never one to boo as this would break whatever bit of confidence they might have left....
But, there isn't one single player in the whole squad that I'd refuse to sell. I'd listen to offers for every single player on our books.
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Post by skelman on Dec 21, 2019 9:00:09 GMT
He slated a few players without naming them in that interview O’Neill told Radio Stoke “We didn't show enough quality in terms of our balls into the box.” What he meant was - “We’ve got plenty of piss artists for players, who haven’t got any bollocks!”
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Post by bagnallboothen on Dec 21, 2019 9:06:56 GMT
He slated a few players without naming them in that interview O’Neill told Radio Stoke “We didn't show enough quality in terms of our balls into the box.” What he meant was - “We’ve got plenty of piss artists for players, who haven’t got any bollocks!”He also said we didn't win enough second balls after we'd scored. The exact same line he used when we threw the game away at hull... with a near identical midfield. It's baffling.
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Post by citynickscfc on Dec 21, 2019 9:07:21 GMT
He slated a few players without naming them in that interview O’Neill told Radio Stoke “We didn't show enough quality in terms of our balls into the box.” What he meant was - “We’ve got plenty of piss artists for players, who haven’t got any bollocks!”Every game same shit. Stop crossing it then? Find another tactic? Ffs
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 21, 2019 9:19:14 GMT
I've never seen a Stoke team with less backbone than this one! We have been superior in many games this season, but if we concede or score something strange seems to happen to the players. They simply seem to fall apart as a unit, look shaky and make crucial mistakes. This has happened game after game. Right now it to me seems like the team need a shrink more than a manager! We seem so afraid to lose that we do it almost every game, it's actually very weird, but it's also a feeling of the inevitable will happen again.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Dec 21, 2019 9:23:46 GMT
Can’t keep doing the same thing and getting the same shite results.
Has to change next game.
Hugely deflated this morning.
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 21, 2019 9:28:29 GMT
Can’t keep doing the same thing and getting the same shite results. Has to change next game. Hugely deflated this morning. Deflated is no exaggeration, it really hurts, it does!
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 21, 2019 9:31:27 GMT
Yes Jones/Rowett are massively to blame but from what people have suggested they’re offered players to choose from mainly. The pathetic “process” the Coates family implemented is a major factor we are where we are today. Our demise started years ago with their sheer arrogance and the likes of Scholes being given a free reign whilst babysitting little Junior. We’re also partially to blame for not voicing our disapproval years ago. No manager that has left has ever claimed they had players foisted on them - no point in trying to deflect it , they simply made dreadful choices. The owners/directors blame lies simply with the fact they employed poor managers who made those choices. I’d imagine they’ve had it written in there contracts they can’t say anything negative about the board or it could affect there payoff
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 21, 2019 9:31:41 GMT
When we scored a young boro side found extra resolve, energy and fight. They weren't going to go down without a fight.
When they equalised a 2nd goal instantly seemed inevitable and when they went ahead we didn't even get into their box let alone create a chance to equalise.
This group of players are stinking the place out week after week.
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Post by loosestools on Dec 21, 2019 9:37:33 GMT
What attributes do the coaches actually bring to this lot?
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Post by adi on Dec 21, 2019 9:43:37 GMT
No it isn't the managers fault. It is the fault of Peter Coates, John Coates and Tony Scholes. Throwing ludicrous money at a manager that couldn't handle it, asking a rookie with a quirky system to put it right with a tenth of the money and finally turning to an International manager who is job sharing in order to keep his position open incase he fails. We're run by imbeciles with big hearts and pockets. Imagine if we’d gone for Bilic or someone with a proven track record. Imagine if we’d signed a prolific striker like Gayle. Nah, we’ll just do the cheap option and get relegated.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2019 9:46:32 GMT
The crux of it is we don’t have any players of any quality. Only Powell looks like he has a modicum of skill and time the rest are just players who chase but have no technical skill or the ability to run a game. I thought the only player today playing like he wanted to win the game was Allen who I thought was decent. The rest are just journeyman players on big wages. Ward is so slow it’s unbelievable, Ince bone idle and Clucas just seems to disappear for lengthy periods. We are a shambles. It’s a thankless task for ONeill because whoever he picks won’t work so poor is our squad. He clearly isn’t allowed to pick Badou and Etebo because they’d be guaranteed starters. Until he’s allowed to bring his own players in even if on loan nothing will change. We need a minimum of 3/4 starters in in January. A decent side would have killed that game off by HT Boro were woeful. Scholes out. Certainly not O’Neill’s fault. You can’t train out confidence. This team is so void of it. That’s not 6 we’ve squandered after doing enough to get ahead in Hull and Middlesbrough. The initial selections are obviously right, but these lads are shot in the head
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Post by Goonie on Dec 21, 2019 9:48:33 GMT
It's a good job Jones bought so many League One players as they'll feel right at home next season
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 21, 2019 10:07:27 GMT
No it isn't the managers fault. It is the fault of Peter Coates, John Coates and Tony Scholes. Throwing ludicrous money at a manager that couldn't handle it, asking a rookie with a quirky system to put it right with a tenth of the money and finally turning to an International manager who is job sharing in order to keep his position open incase he fails. We're run by imbeciles with big hearts and pockets. Imagine if we’d gone for Bilic or someone with a proven track record. Imagine if we’d signed a prolific striker like Gayle. Nah, we’ll just do the cheap option and get relegated. We certainly haven't gone for the cheap options before this season! The problem is that we havent purchased enough players with steel and backbone, we have a lot of good players, but there are no Whelans, Walters, Huths or Bardsleys in our team. We need players able to win the fight before we are able to win games regularly. This should be addressed in the window! If we sell most of the lot playing for us right now I'll accept that as we couldn't have done much worse anyway!
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Post by wuzza on Dec 21, 2019 10:10:06 GMT
No manager that has left has ever claimed they had players foisted on them - no point in trying to deflect it , they simply made dreadful choices. The owners/directors blame lies simply with the fact they employed poor managers who made those choices. I’d imagine they’ve had it written in there contracts they can’t say anything negative about the board or it could affect there payoff I really don’t think so - would they actually go out of their way to say how grateful they were for the support and backing of the board as they have ??
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Post by greenman on Dec 21, 2019 10:21:13 GMT
He can`t be held responsible for our players going on strike in support of the Macc lads. Perhaps we could send them on loan there.
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Post by fca47 on Dec 21, 2019 10:38:44 GMT
I would say, not all his fault, but the sides he keeps picking are.
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Post by stokemark on Dec 21, 2019 10:46:24 GMT
i Might be in the minority here but this whole job share shit coupled with his lack of experience in league football is symptomatic of another compromised managerial appointment by a Board / CEO that are clueless about football
He (O’Neil) looks out of his depth to me and the team in reality have shown little overall improvement since Jones left. It’s not his fault but he’s not the answer either.
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Post by ravey123 on Dec 21, 2019 11:12:56 GMT
I've never seen a Stoke team with less backbone than this one! We have been superior in many games this season, but if we concede or score something strange seems to happen to the players. They simply seem to fall apart as a unit, look shaky and make crucial mistakes. This has happened game after game. Right now it to me seems like the team need a shrink more than a manager! We seem so afraid to lose that we do it almost every game, it's actually very weird, but it's also a feeling of the inevitable will happen again. I've said it umpteen times - THERE ARE NO BLOODY LEADERS IN THAT TEAM
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Post by lordb on Dec 21, 2019 11:54:57 GMT
MON just hasn't got it in him. Stoke need a manager who could hit the ground running. He did hit the ground running Then we reverted to same old shit - why? Because we have shit players
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Post by Olgrligm on Dec 21, 2019 11:55:02 GMT
There are two key problems at Stoke: 1) Recruitment. This goes beyond the manager. Under the last five managers, we've signed at least eight box-to-box type central midfielders and zero specialist defensive midfielders. Consequently, we can't even control the midfield against the worst teams in this league. The previous manager had a system based on wing backs, but the recruitment team turned up nobody except for James Justin and Jack Stacey. Last summer's transfer strategy was based around shifting players out of the door, but the failure to do so has resulted in a bloated squad. 2) The players. I'm sorry, but there's a mental problem running right through the squad. They visibly don't want to play against all but the top teams in this league, as if it's somehow beneath them. They're completely indifferent to the game going on around them and seem to think that things would be better if only our long suffering supporters were a bit nicer to them after our latest defeat at goodness knows where. Is it fear of failure? Is it just apathy? I have no idea, but I don't think it's necessarily a question of individual ability. I think it's wholly unfair that consecutive managers are coping the abuse and pressure brought about principally by the failures of the above. If I was to compose a top ten of biggest issues since relegation, I doubt that the managers would feature even then. I would like one of these managers to come in and not play 433 though. That’d be lovely. As I understand it, calling for 4-2-3-1 is now up there with 'WHY DOESN'T HE JUST PLAY 4-4-2' in the philistine stakes.
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Post by ethers26 on Dec 21, 2019 12:02:28 GMT
We haven't a single player with pace or quality, bar McClean currently. Which says it all.
Any manager who picks Liam Lindsay in the XI however, is basically like starting the game 1-0 down.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 21, 2019 12:20:18 GMT
It's a good job Jones bought so many League One players as they'll feel right at home next season Get them to the match on time?
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