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Post by thehoof on Dec 20, 2019 10:50:44 GMT
Clucas is a far worse player than Allen- the two Superstar’s Etebo and N’Diaye contribute zero assists and a goal once a blue moon, but Allen is the cause of our midfield problems?
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Post by bolly_premprem on Dec 20, 2019 10:52:55 GMT
surely that means he is good enough for league 1, lets face it, Luton are a League one team, and only stoke will stop them being back there next season The thing that does concern me though... selling Allen - yeah id be happy with that, get some money, get his wages off the books, maybe a coincidence that stokes decline really started when he arrived, and it started in midfield. Selling Badou, ok i can live with that, our best player, likely on amongst highest wages, allegedly doesn't want to be here, has interest from abroad Selling Etebo, mm ok, big wages, good enough to attract interest, allegedly doesn't want to be here. selling any one ( please let it be Allen) would be ok, but selling all 3, that could be a real disaster, and would be the excuse when we get relegated ( "we need time for the new look midfield to jell") an aside, on the radio stoke this morning, was a short mention of Jack butland, and him saying he doesent want to leave in January, ill be honest, my head dropped. of course he doesent want to leave, from here his only direction is down, perhaps though he is starting to realise him self, he isnt the keeper he was 5 years ago, and isnt wanted by bigger teams like he thinks he is Allen earns twice what Badou does and Powell earns more than him too - how much do you think we are spunking in wages for the likes of CCV, Hogan and Duffy too, well over £20k/week? You don't sell your best players, you shift twice as many shit ones. hey dont get me wrong, if it was my choice, id get rid or Allen, Powell, duffy, lindsay, ince, probably one of Woods and Clucas. defo keep, and play Badou and Etebo as the engine of midfield, buy a decent winger ... and a striker, and play 442 ( at this point id keep macleen, i dont like but at least he shows an effort) suppose would haev to keep one of the other midfield, although i really dont know who, in case of injury.... but who would buy those lemons, and you can see that the baord are desperate to get rid of some of the big earners (or any body that a team will take on is probably more to the truth)
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 20, 2019 11:03:19 GMT
Clucas is a far worse player than Allen- the two Superstar’s Etebo and N’Diaye contribute zero assists and a goal once a blue moon, but Allen is the cause of our midfield problems? There’s more to being a midfielder than assists and goals though isn’t there?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 11:36:28 GMT
Young players can and do step up but when its successful there are 2 pre requisites - they are slotting into a functioning team (ours isn't) and they are good enough (time and again ours have proved that they aren't). You're also hoping that our unproven youngsters will turn round a misfiring relegation threatened team at the same time as learning their trade at a much higher level than they are used to playing. That is not going to happen. McClean actually proves my point. He may be technically limited but because his attitude is spot on and he can hold his own when it comes to the physical side of the game he's been able to make what technical ability he has count. As a result he's been one of the most creative players we've had this season and a candidate for player of the season. Powell on the other hand is clearly a far better technical player than McClean but for all his talents has contributed nothing creatively because he can't seem to cope with the physical side of the game. It doesn't matter how creative a player could be if they can't hack the physical side they are a waste of a place in the team. Given a choice of a McClean MK2 or a Powell MK2 to replace Allen in the midfield in this league in our situation I'd take McClean MK2 every time - and if we had 11 McClean equivalents on the pitch we wouldn't be anywhere near the relegation zone. Ideally we'd have a player with McCleans physicality and aggression combined with Powell's technical ability but those players are in the Premiership and wouldn't touch us with a bargepole at the moment. Are you Gary Rowett in disguise? For he also claimed he wanted 11 McCleans in the same team. I'd prefer the thought to be 10; no doubt he'll give everything if asked to be goalie for a game or two but that still doesn't make him a capable goalkeeper. The same also applies to asking him to be our playmaker; it's just possible he's created more than any other player in our team this season (although Clucas, for one, has more goals and assists), but that's only because some others are simply no good. It doesn't mean that we should strive to have him playing where we once we had Hudson setting things up! I'm not hoping that one - can you count that far? I am talking about one player, not the collective plural you keep turning it into before dismissing the lot of them - one young player will turn our misfired season around. Not even Barcelona counted on Messi turning them around singlehandedly (that would happen later) when he was a teenager but slowly build him into the team. If we do play Sorensen - who's not a 10 but a 6 - a similar easing in would apply. Yes he would step into the team at the time Allen, hopefully, leaves, but he's not the direct replacement. We don't need an Allen replacement, we need a different type of player. You've seen with your own eyes that Campbell and Edwards, despite initially doing well, have struggled in a struggling team. What a surprise. "time and again ours have proved that they aren't." So because two players have failed to adjust to your exceptionally high expectations you've decided that the other 30 academy players on our books are all automatically going to fail. What a pathetic person you are.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Dec 20, 2019 11:41:28 GMT
Good player or not, given the FFP situation, you've got to consider the wage aspect.
I think he's dispensable.
Anything close to £10m and I would seriously consider it. We held out for a higher price for Butland and now we would only get a fraction of it
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 11:46:57 GMT
selling any one ( please let it be Allen) would be ok, but selling all 3, that could be a real disaster, and would be the excuse when we get relegated ( "we need time for the new look midfield to jell") You're forgetting one thing even though you actually mention it. If we do sell all three, we will bring in some cash. Not all of it will go straight into O'Neill's purse, but he will already have potential targets on his mind, and it might just be possible that we sell three, buy two and ease in one youngster. No way is the youth going to stop our fall, but if the manager is any good he will sign two experienced players who know what to do. That's what he's here to do.
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Post by potterpaul on Dec 20, 2019 11:47:00 GMT
Well personally I'd loan him to the turks for next to nothing
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Post by lordb on Dec 20, 2019 11:52:36 GMT
Name one serious, genuine offer we’ve had for him since relegation? West ham, £25M. That was then. Now we're lucky that they might offer £8M. That was January window 2018, before relegation.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 20, 2019 12:12:38 GMT
CBUFAWKIPWH...I'm not sure Powell can be included in any reasonable debate as to our midfield capabilities as he's hardly featured. If fit and ready, I'd like to think there was a place for him supporting whoever plays up front, but with MON wedded to 4-3-3, it's going to be tough. If Aleen, Etebo and Badou go, then we're left with Cousins, Woods and Clucas, with Powell floating around to cover or play further upfield. That's obviously not enough to get through the season so either at least one of the mooted departees stays, or we dip into the transfer/loan market to bolster ourselves. Not ideal really, but that's the state we're in.. Getting rid of our existing loanees is going to be difficult enough, never mind bring anyone new in. The whole thing is a logistical nightmare whilst we're trying to survive. The reason he's not featured is because of his injury record - he got bullied out the game first game of the season against QPR and has looked tentative ever since he's come back. Which proves my point in several ways: His body cant take it He doesn't put himself enough because he's a but frail The opposition (QPR being an example) know he's a soft touch and a few early softeners will take him out the game You can argue all you like about refs providing protection but it won't happen. Powell is a perfect example of a creative player who is completely ineffective because of his inability to deal with the physical side of the game. The same goes for youngsters - until they harden up they'll get battered in this league. The players who combine physicality and creativity are at a premium and for the moment out if reach. We therefore have to compromise either on creativity/technical ability (McClean) or physicality (Powell). Like it or not in this league in our situation if we can't attract someone who combines both technical ability and physicality (we can't) we're better off with a McCkean type player than a Powell type player because they will contribute more on the pitch.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Dec 20, 2019 12:21:17 GMT
QPR did a number on him because they knew he was a danger man. He played over 30 games for Wigan last season and when they beat us at our place last season, he was anything but frail...just ask Ashley Williams. He may not be MON's cup of tea, but he's a very good player who may or may not still offer us some hope.
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Post by Squeekster on Dec 20, 2019 12:47:42 GMT
CBUFAWKIPWH...I'm not sure Powell can be included in any reasonable debate as to our midfield capabilities as he's hardly featured. If fit and ready, I'd like to think there was a place for him supporting whoever plays up front, but with MON wedded to 4-3-3, it's going to be tough. If Aleen, Etebo and Badou go, then we're left with Cousins, Woods and Clucas, with Powell floating around to cover or play further upfield. That's obviously not enough to get through the season so either at least one of the mooted departees stays, or we dip into the transfer/loan market to bolster ourselves. Not ideal really, but that's the state we're in.. Getting rid of our existing loanees is going to be difficult enough, never mind bring anyone new in. The whole thing is a logistical nightmare whilst we're trying to survive. The reason he's not featured is because of his injury record - he got bullied out the game first game of the season against QPR and has looked tentative ever since he's come back. Which proves my point in several ways: His body cant take it He doesn't put himself enough because he's a but frail The opposition (QPR being an example) know he's a soft touch and a few early softeners will take him out the game You can argue all you like about refs providing protection but it won't happen. Powell is a perfect example of a creative player who is completely ineffective because of his inability to deal with the physical side of the game. The same goes for youngsters - until they harden up they'll get battered in this league. The players who combine physicality and creativity are at a premium and for the moment out if reach. We therefore have to compromise either on creativity/technical ability (McClean) or physicality (Powell). Like it or not in this league in our situation if we can't attract someone who combines both technical ability and physicality (we can't) we're better off with a McCkean type player than a Powell type player because they will contribute more on the pitch. he got bullied out the game first game of the season against QPR? I wouldn't say he got bullied, he was certainly targeted by the QPR players and got very little protection from the ref which ultimately got him injured, they could of easily had at least one player sent off for the over zealous tackles on Powell.
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Post by pushon on Dec 20, 2019 13:34:49 GMT
That is one circumstance where an agent may have a negative influence, but is in no way the normal way that they do their business. If this was the case then there would be massive disruption within the game. It seems to me that they will be much more concerned about a smooth relationship between club and player,which/whoever they are representing? After all it's their bread and butter. I think that’s naive. Tapping up is rife. Gary Neville said he couldn’t think of a transfer he knew about during his playing days that didn’t involve tapping up. Clubs and players both have pet journalists and drip feed info as they pursue their or their representatives’ agendas. As far as Premiership players, or even players from lower divisions who are currently "hot" are concerned, I don't doubt that you're right. But those players and also clubs who use Agents to find players are proably at, or close to, the peak of the game. A position that Stoke are sadly nowhere near at the moment. Anyway my thoughts were directed more to the rank and file players/clubs, who are in the majority as far as numbers are cocerned. And how long is it since Garry Neville was employed and active as a player and how many transfers did he actually know about?One maybe two? Did he comment on whether or not he or his agent had been involved in "tapping up"? Not really much to base an agenda on.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 20, 2019 13:42:58 GMT
Powell definitely wasn't bullied.
He was just fouled and then fouled some more and then fouled some more until they injured him. They did a hatchett job.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 20, 2019 13:54:22 GMT
I think that’s naive. Tapping up is rife. Gary Neville said he couldn’t think of a transfer he knew about during his playing days that didn’t involve tapping up. Clubs and players both have pet journalists and drip feed info as they pursue their or their representatives’ agendas. As far as Premiership players, or even players from lower divisions who are currently "hot" are concerned, I don't doubt that you're right. But those players and also clubs who use Agents to find players are proably at, or close to, the peak of the game. A position that Stoke are sadly nowhere near at the moment. Anyway my thoughts were directed more to the rank and file players/clubs, who are in the majority as far as numbers are cocerned. And how long is it since Garry Neville was employed and active as a player and how many transfers did he actually know about?One maybe two? Did he comment on whether or not he or his agent had been involved in "tapping up"? Not really much to base an agenda on. Neville’s still a high level pundit who talks to players and managers as part of his job every day so he’s still very much involved in the game, and I don’t get the idea it’d happen when he was playing but not happen now? It’s surely even more rife if anything? What are you basing the suggestion he’d have only known about ‘one or two’ transfers on? He’d have talked to the myriad players who walked through the door throughout his 15 years or so at the club? He’d have talked to his brother who’s been a coach as well as a player? It’s not just a question of clubs using agents to find players, sometimes they’ll use the media to let their interest be known and the agents will come to them, other times they’ll know who a particular player’s agent is, other times the agent will be the one doing the running on behalf of the player. Stoke have fallen from grace but we’re not Rochdale and where a player like Joe Allen is concerned I think it’s a pretty safe bet we’d have heard about any serious interest and it’s a fairly safe bet he’d have been off long ago if there had been.
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Post by wuzza on Dec 20, 2019 14:20:53 GMT
As far as Premiership players, or even players from lower divisions who are currently "hot" are concerned, I don't doubt that you're right. But those players and also clubs who use Agents to find players are proably at, or close to, the peak of the game. A position that Stoke are sadly nowhere near at the moment. Anyway my thoughts were directed more to the rank and file players/clubs, who are in the majority as far as numbers are cocerned. And how long is it since Garry Neville was employed and active as a player and how many transfers did he actually know about?One maybe two? Did he comment on whether or not he or his agent had been involved in "tapping up"? Not really much to base an agenda on. Neville’s still a high level pundit who talks to players and managers as part of his job every day so he’s still very much involved in the game, and I don’t get the idea it’d happen when he was playing but not happen now? It’s surely even more rife if anything? What are you basing the suggestion he’d have only known about ‘one or two’ transfers on? He’d have talked to the myriad players who walked through the door throughout his 15 years or so at the club? He’d have talked to his brother who’s been a coach as well as a player? It’s not just a question of clubs using agents to find players, sometimes they’ll use the media to let their interest be known and the agents will come to them, other times they’ll know who a particular player’s agent is, other times the agent will be the one doing the running on behalf of the player. Stoke have fallen from grace but we’re not Rochdale and where a player like Joe Allen is concerned I think it’s a pretty safe bet we’d have heard about any serious interest and it’s a fairly safe bet he’d have been off long ago if there had been. Why is it a safe bet he would have been gone? 1. The club value his services highly and would more than likely rebuff any interest before it developed. 2. What has even remotely suggested that Joe wants or wanted out ? He has never gone all N’Daiye on us at all has he ?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 20, 2019 14:24:52 GMT
Neville’s still a high level pundit who talks to players and managers as part of his job every day so he’s still very much involved in the game, and I don’t get the idea it’d happen when he was playing but not happen now? It’s surely even more rife if anything? What are you basing the suggestion he’d have only known about ‘one or two’ transfers on? He’d have talked to the myriad players who walked through the door throughout his 15 years or so at the club? He’d have talked to his brother who’s been a coach as well as a player? It’s not just a question of clubs using agents to find players, sometimes they’ll use the media to let their interest be known and the agents will come to them, other times they’ll know who a particular player’s agent is, other times the agent will be the one doing the running on behalf of the player. Stoke have fallen from grace but we’re not Rochdale and where a player like Joe Allen is concerned I think it’s a pretty safe bet we’d have heard about any serious interest and it’s a fairly safe bet he’d have been off long ago if there had been. Why is it a safe bet he would have been gone? 1. The club value his services highly and would more than likely rebuff any interest before it developed. 2. What has even remotely suggested that Joe wants or wanted out ? He has never gone all N’Daiye on us at all has he ? You think a player of his reputation (irrespective of the debate about his actual performances) wants to be playing in the Championship, and the lower reaches at that? He’s a great professional but that doesn’t mean he wouldn’t be off of a Prem club came calling, just like Higgy was. I wouldn’t blame him for it for a second.
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Post by kustokie on Dec 20, 2019 14:34:53 GMT
This may be very simplistic, because it almost goes without saying Allen is much more effective when he’s playing alongside very good players, because he has free rein to wander around and do his own thing. That’s why he’s much better for Wales when he’s playing alongside the likes of Ramsey and Bale. Allen was great for Stoke when he had players like Shaq and Arni because they drew defenders away from him, leaving more time and space. Now he’s the main man playing alongside run of the mill championship players and he’s expected to do more of the heavy lifting. A midfield of Allen, N’daye and Etebo would be great but we can’t afford it. So it may be better for all concerned if Allen leaves. He is not sufficiently disciplined to be the main player anchoring the defense and he’ll be more satisfied playing for a better team. He’s been a model player for Stoke and I have never heard any talk of him wanting a transfer. In fact I am surprised he’s still there.
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Post by wuzza on Dec 20, 2019 14:38:11 GMT
Why is it a safe bet he would have been gone? 1. The club value his services highly and would more than likely rebuff any interest before it developed. 2. What has even remotely suggested that Joe wants or wanted out ? He has never gone all N’Daiye on us at all has he ? You think a player of his reputation (irrespective of the debate about his actual performances) wants to be playing in the Championship, and the lower reaches at that? He’s a great professional but that doesn’t mean he wouldn’t be off of a Prem club came calling, just like Higgy was. I wouldn’t blame him for it for a second. I think Joe might just be one of those players with a slightly more rounded view of life and isn’t going to charge off anywhere at the drop of a pound note (although we probably pay him as much as any but the top clubs would). Things might change now of course if he thinks we are indeed heading to the 3rd Div and like I say watch the queue form if we give it the slightest hint we are willing to sell.
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Post by pushon on Dec 20, 2019 14:39:47 GMT
As far as Premiership players, or even players from lower divisions who are currently "hot" are concerned, I don't doubt that you're right. But those players and also clubs who use Agents to find players are proably at, or close to, the peak of the game. A position that Stoke are sadly nowhere near at the moment. Anyway my thoughts were directed more to the rank and file players/clubs, who are in the majority as far as numbers are cocerned. And how long is it since Garry Neville was employed and active as a player and how many transfers did he actually know about?One maybe two? Did he comment on whether or not he or his agent had been involved in "tapping up"? Not really much to base an agenda on. Neville’s still a high level pundit who talks to players and managers as part of his job every day so he’s still very much involved in the game, and I don’t get the idea it’d happen when he was playing but not happen now? It’s surely even more rife if anything? What are you basing the suggestion he’d have only known about ‘one or two’ transfers on? He’d have talked to the myriad players who walked through the door throughout his 15 years or so at the club? He’d have talked to his brother who’s been a coach as well as a player? It’s not just a question of clubs using agents to find players, sometimes they’ll use the media to let their interest be known and the agents will come to them, other times they’ll know who a particular player’s agent is, other times the agent will be the one doing the running on behalf of the player. Stoke have fallen from grave but we’re not Rochdale and where a player like Joe Allen is concerned I think it’s a pretty safe bet we’d have heard about any serious interest and it’s a fairly safe bet he’d have been off long ago if there had been. It seems to me that you're making massive assumptions to support your theory and then believing them, even bringing in Gary Nevilles brother as support and what did Phil have to say about the subject? You must have some quotes from Gary Neville about the number of transfer shenanigans of which he was aware, otherwise what evidence do you have that it was more than one or two? Even if it was a handful, it's hardly conclusive that this nefarious practice is rife. Once again I emphasise that my reference is to the whole of the proffessional leagues and not just players or clubs operating at the heady heights of the game. Just an after-thought..Do you consider one agent contacting another asking about the status and welfare of a particular player as,"An iĺlegal approach"
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 20, 2019 14:49:12 GMT
You think a player of his reputation (irrespective of the debate about his actual performances) wants to be playing in the Championship, and the lower reaches at that? He’s a great professional but that doesn’t mean he wouldn’t be off of a Prem club came calling, just like Higgy was. I wouldn’t blame him for it for a second. I think Joe might just be one of those players with a slightly more rounded view of life and isn’t going to charge off anywhere at the drop of a pound note (although we probably pay him as much as any but the top clubs would). Things might change now of course if he thinks we are indeed heading to the 3rd Div and like I say watch the queue form if we give it the slightest hint we are willing to sell. It’s not really about the ‘pound note’, most footballers want to play at as high a level they can for as long as they can.
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Post by pushon on Dec 20, 2019 14:52:34 GMT
You think a player of his reputation (irrespective of the debate about his actual performances) wants to be playing in the Championship, and the lower reaches at that? He’s a great professional but that doesn’t mean he wouldn’t be off of a Prem club came calling, just like Higgy was. I wouldn’t blame him for it for a second. I think Joe might just be one of those players with a slightly more rounded view of life and isn’t going to charge off anywhere at the drop of a pound note (although we probably pay him as much as any but the top clubs would). Things might change now of course if he thinks we are indeed heading to the 3rd Div and like I say watch the queue form if we give it the slightest hint we are willing to sell. I agree completely with your sentiment, too many posters on here assume that all players have a similar morality to their own "tight arsed"frame of mind.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 20, 2019 14:53:34 GMT
Neville’s still a high level pundit who talks to players and managers as part of his job every day so he’s still very much involved in the game, and I don’t get the idea it’d happen when he was playing but not happen now? It’s surely even more rife if anything? What are you basing the suggestion he’d have only known about ‘one or two’ transfers on? He’d have talked to the myriad players who walked through the door throughout his 15 years or so at the club? He’d have talked to his brother who’s been a coach as well as a player? It’s not just a question of clubs using agents to find players, sometimes they’ll use the media to let their interest be known and the agents will come to them, other times they’ll know who a particular player’s agent is, other times the agent will be the one doing the running on behalf of the player. Stoke have fallen from grave but we’re not Rochdale and where a player like Joe Allen is concerned I think it’s a pretty safe bet we’d have heard about any serious interest and it’s a fairly safe bet he’d have been off long ago if there had been. It seems to me that you're making massive assumptions to support your theory and then believing them, even bringing in Gary Nevilles brother as support and what did Phil have to say about the subject? You must have some quotes from Gary Neville about the number of transfer shenanigans of which he was aware, otherwise what evidence do you have that it was more than one or two? Even if it was a handful, it's hardly conclusive that this nefarious practice is rife. Once again I emphasise that my reference is to the whole of the proffessional leagues and not just players or clubs operating at the heady heights of the game. Just an after-thought..Do you consider one agent contacting another asking about the status and welfare of a particular player as,"An iĺlegal approach" I don’t think I am, I can thought this was common knowledge and pretty much accepted practice? We’re hardly through the looking glass here are we? I don’t have any evidence whatsoever that Neville was privy to more than one or two, but why would he mention it if he was, and it would be extraordinary if he was - players talk to each other? I’m not saying he was in the boardroom poring over the contracts, just that he’d said that and I can’t see why he’d lie? I’m sure things are a bit different in League Two but we were talking specifically about Premier League interest in Joe Allen, weren’t we?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 15:02:59 GMT
CBUFAWKIPWH...I'm not sure Powell can be included in any reasonable debate as to our midfield capabilities as he's hardly featured. If fit and ready, I'd like to think there was a place for him supporting whoever plays up front, but with MON wedded to 4-3-3, it's going to be tough. If Aleen, Etebo and Badou go, then we're left with Cousins, Woods and Clucas, with Powell floating around to cover or play further upfield. That's obviously not enough to get through the season so either at least one of the mooted departees stays, or we dip into the transfer/loan market to bolster ourselves. Not ideal really, but that's the state we're in.. Getting rid of our existing loanees is going to be difficult enough, never mind bring anyone new in. The whole thing is a logistical nightmare whilst we're trying to survive. The reason he's not featured is because of his injury record - he got bullied out the game first game of the season against QPR and has looked tentative ever since he's come back. Which proves my point in several ways: His body cant take it He doesn't put himself enough because he's a but frail The opposition (QPR being an example) know he's a soft touch and a few early softeners will take him out the game You can argue all you like about refs providing protection but it won't happen. Powell is a perfect example of a creative player who is completely ineffective because of his inability to deal with the physical side of the game. The same goes for youngsters - until they harden up they'll get battered in this league. The players who combine physicality and creativity are at a premium and for the moment out if reach. We therefore have to compromise either on creativity/technical ability (McClean) or physicality (Powell). Like it or not in this league in our situation if we can't attract someone who combines both technical ability and physicality (we can't) we're better off with a McCkean type player than a Powell type player because they will contribute more on the pitch. He's hardly played for us since that injury, mostly ten minute cameos, so it seems extremely facile to dismiss him so out of hand, but then it's CBUFAWKIPWH who specialises doing so. Pablo Hernandez is as fragile a player as Nick is, but he's hugely influential for Leeds and they suffer when he's not available. It's true McClean contributes more running on the pitch than many better players, but it leads to very little. No other player has struck so many wayward passes for us in the last 18 months.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 15:10:09 GMT
CBUFAWKIPWH...I'm not sure Powell can be included in any reasonable debate as to our midfield capabilities as he's hardly featured. If fit and ready, I'd like to think there was a place for him supporting whoever plays up front, but with MON wedded to 4-3-3, it's going to be tough. If Aleen, Etebo and Badou go, then we're left with Cousins, Woods and Clucas, with Powell floating around to cover or play further upfield. That's obviously not enough to get through the season so either at least one of the mooted departees stays, or we dip into the transfer/loan market to bolster ourselves. Not ideal really, but that's the state we're in.. Getting rid of our existing loanees is going to be difficult enough, never mind bring anyone new in. The whole thing is a logistical nightmare whilst we're trying to survive. I agree with you in the main, but if the three amigos leave, we won't be left with Cousins, Woods, and Clucas. The whole point of selling/lending those players is that the club free some cash to invest in new player material. They likely won't be as high profile as the three soon to depart, but that doesn't mean that they can't do a sound job for us.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Dec 20, 2019 15:16:11 GMT
I was talking more about where Powell might fit in and who he might be surrounded by. If we get rid of two, I expect us to bring in two, at a much smaller cost of course.
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Post by pushon on Dec 20, 2019 15:21:10 GMT
It seems to me that you're making massive assumptions to support your theory and then believing them, even bringing in Gary Nevilles brother as support and what did Phil have to say about the subject? You must have some quotes from Gary Neville about the number of transfer shenanigans of which he was aware, otherwise what evidence do you have that it was more than one or two? Even if it was a handful, it's hardly conclusive that this nefarious practice is rife. Once again I emphasise that my reference is to the whole of the proffessional leagues and not just players or clubs operating at the heady heights of the game. Just an after-thought..Do you consider one agent contacting another asking about the status and welfare of a particular player as,"An iĺlegal approach" I don’t think I am, I can thought this was common knowledge and pretty much accepted practice? We’re hardly through the looking glass here are we? I don’t have any evidence whatsoever that Neville was privy to more than one or two, but why would he mention it if he was, and it would be extraordinary if he was - players talk to each other? I’m not saying he was in the boardroom poring over the contracts, just that he’d said that and I can’t see why he’d lie? I’m sure things are a bit different in League Two but we were talking specifically about Premier League interest in Joe Allen, weren’t we? You chose to extend it to your immaculate interpretation of what actually goes on. If Gary Nevilles knowledge of "behind the scenes" happenings is at a simiar level to his knowledge of managing a football club and we've witnessed the result in practice.I wouldn't be so quick to promote him as a champion of your philosophy, if I were you.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 15:22:20 GMT
If it's true Allen is on £65k a week....it's utter madness if it is.....then it's possible none of his suitors have wanted to match his wages,hence he's still here
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 20, 2019 15:27:23 GMT
I don’t think I am, I can thought this was common knowledge and pretty much accepted practice? We’re hardly through the looking glass here are we? I don’t have any evidence whatsoever that Neville was privy to more than one or two, but why would he mention it if he was, and it would be extraordinary if he was - players talk to each other? I’m not saying he was in the boardroom poring over the contracts, just that he’d said that and I can’t see why he’d lie? I’m sure things are a bit different in League Two but we were talking specifically about Premier League interest in Joe Allen, weren’t we? You chose to extend it to your immaculate interpretation of what actually goes on. If Gary Nevilles knowledge of "behind the scenes" happenings is at a simiar level to his knowledge of managing a football club and we've witnessed the result in practice.I wouldn't be so quick to promote him as a champion of your philosophy, if I were you. I never said it was immaculate, I just thought it was fairly largely accepted? If you want to put forward your understanding then by all means do. I don’t know why you’re getting so huffy about it? I think Neville comes in for unfair stick for his managerial career. Valencia were a basket case club who ate managers alive at that time and it was no job for a rookie who wasn’t fluent in the language. He should never have gone there.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 15:36:10 GMT
If it's true Allen is on £65k a week....it's utter madness if it is.....then it's possible none of his suitors have wanted to match his wages,hence he's still here If that’s true then we deserve everything we are getting.
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Post by pushon on Dec 20, 2019 15:40:23 GMT
You chose to extend it to your immaculate interpretation of what actually goes on. If Gary Nevilles knowledge of "behind the scenes" happenings is at a simiar level to his knowledge of managing a football club and we've witnessed the result in practice.I wouldn't be so quick to promote him as a champion of your philosophy, if I were you. I never said it was immaculate, I just thought it was fairly largely accepted? If you want to put forward your understanding then by all means do. I don’t know why you’re getting so huffy about it? I think Neville comes in for unfair stick for his managerial career. Valencia were a basket case club who ate managers alive at that time and it was no job for a rookie who wasn’t fluent in the language. He should never have gone there. Apologies if you think I'm being "huffy", just rebuffing a negative with a negative and we could both go on forever. I do realise that tapping up goes and has gone on for eons, but not so widely at the loWer echelons. Whether or not Joe Allen has been the subject or the instigator of this type of action is purely a matter of conjecture, unless you are ITK of course. Are you named Dave by any chance🤔
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