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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 19, 2019 21:03:16 GMT
Every club outside of the top 6 or so in the Prem would be improved by signing Joe Allen. Some of the comments on here (Bayern for example) are total rubbish. We will miss him more than we know - but will probably find out soon. Why have they not been lining up for him then, with a decent offer I doubt we'd have said no.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 19, 2019 21:05:46 GMT
IF it is true, that four premier teams are after him,it says it all, that there is a good, decent, hard working player in there somewhere, its the lazy clueless fcuktards,around him, that are the problem,they're not on the same fcukg wave length as him, instead of wanting a pass from Allen,they run away and hide, then Allen runs into trouble,making him look a twat,we saw against luton what he's capable of, so be careful of what you wish for.we need him, and ten more of the useless fcukrs,every game, giving at least %100, that said, everyone has a price,so if a club offered between 10 and 12 million I would drive him there myself. Everyone looked decent against Luton, its Luton he's fitted in with the rest of them this season and last for that matter, he's just not that good.
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Post by shipshape on Dec 19, 2019 23:48:14 GMT
My West Ham mate says they are bidding 15M for him. Surely not.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 19, 2019 23:56:24 GMT
My West Ham mate says they are bidding 15M for him. Surely not. West ham are possibly the only club with the potential to be even bigger mugs than us. They once offered us 20m for allen and we turned it down. The mind truly boggles
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Post by shipshape on Dec 20, 2019 0:00:02 GMT
My West Ham mate says they are bidding 15M for him. Surely not. West ham are possibly the only club with the potential to be even bigger mugs than us. They once offered us 20m for allen and we turned it down. The mind truly boggles Boggle it does. Surely we wouldn't turn down 15M now? But then not even West Ham are that stupid? Here's hoping they are.
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Post by kustokie on Dec 20, 2019 0:31:17 GMT
IF it is true, that four premier teams are after him,it says it all, that there is a good, decent, hard working player in there somewhere, its the lazy clueless fcuktards,around him, that are the problem,they're not on the same fcukg wave length as him, instead of wanting a pass from Allen,they run away and hide, then Allen runs into trouble,making him look a twat,we saw against luton what he's capable of, so be careful of what you wish for.we need him, and ten more of the useless fcukrs,every game, giving at least %100, that said, everyone has a price,so if a club offered between 10 and 12 million I would drive him there myself. Everyone looked decent against Luton, its Luton he's fitted in with the rest of them this season and last for that matter, he's just not that good. Good enough for this league. Scored 2x against Luton, I seem to recall.
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Post by onionman on Dec 20, 2019 1:36:18 GMT
If we get more than £15 million for this pathetic tosser I will personally drive around the stadium in a white van with “Give Scholes another pay rise” written on the side.
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Dec 20, 2019 4:01:37 GMT
Take the 15 million. He’s not the player to keep us up. One game in 10 is not enough.
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Post by 3putts on Dec 20, 2019 4:17:49 GMT
If we get more than £15 million for this pathetic tosser I will personally drive around the stadium in a white van with “Give Scholes another pay rise” written on the side. Would you be able to find the ground without Google maps? Comments like that prove to me that you have never seen him play
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 4:52:25 GMT
My West Ham mate says they are bidding 15M for him. Surely not. I have thought about that bid for half a second. Sold.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 6:03:41 GMT
Every club outside of the top 6 or so in the Prem would be improved by signing Joe Allen. Some of the comments on here (Bayern for example) are total rubbish. We will miss him more than we know - but will probably find out soon. Why have they not been lining up for him then, with a decent offer I doubt we'd have said no. They have but scfc rejected them.
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Post by Trouserdog on Dec 20, 2019 6:52:02 GMT
Unlike many on here, I like Allen; the 4-3-3 brings out the best of him and hides his main fault, the ill-disciplined headless charging about that he seems to slip into a bit too often. However, if someone were to offer £15m for him then even I'd be starting the car, putting his chicken coop in the boot and telling him to get a move on before they changed their mind.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 20, 2019 8:44:30 GMT
Why have they not been lining up for him then, with a decent offer I doubt we'd have said no. They have but scfc rejected them. Name one serious, genuine offer we’ve had for him since relegation?
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Post by rawli on Dec 20, 2019 8:52:27 GMT
My West Ham mate says they are bidding 15M for him. Surely not. Can't see the chickens settling in Stratford.
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Post by pushon on Dec 20, 2019 8:55:30 GMT
They have but scfc rejected them. Name one serious, genuine offer we’ve had for him since relegation? In fairness, how would anyone on this board be aware of that?
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Post by bolly_premprem on Dec 20, 2019 9:11:34 GMT
Everyone looked decent against Luton, its Luton he's fitted in with the rest of them this season and last for that matter, he's just not that good. Good enough for this league. Scored 2x against Luton, I seem to recall. surely that means he is good enough for league 1, lets face it, Luton are a League one team, and only stoke will stop them being back there next season The thing that does concern me though... selling Allen - yeah id be happy with that, get some money, get his wages off the books, maybe a coincidence that stokes decline really started when he arrived, and it started in midfield. Selling Badou, ok i can live with that, our best player, likely on amongst highest wages, allegedly doesn't want to be here, has interest from abroad Selling Etebo, mm ok, big wages, good enough to attract interest, allegedly doesn't want to be here. selling any one ( please let it be Allen) would be ok, but selling all 3, that could be a real disaster, and would be the excuse when we get relegated ( "we need time for the new look midfield to jell") an aside, on the radio stoke this morning, was a short mention of Jack butland, and him saying he doesent want to leave in January, ill be honest, my head dropped. of course he doesent want to leave, from here his only direction is down, perhaps though he is starting to realise him self, he isnt the keeper he was 5 years ago, and isnt wanted by bigger teams like he thinks he is
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 9:22:20 GMT
They have but scfc rejected them. Name one serious, genuine offer we’ve had for him since relegation? West ham, £25M. That was then. Now we're lucky that they might offer £8M.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 20, 2019 9:38:09 GMT
Name one serious, genuine offer we’ve had for him since relegation? In fairness, how would anyone on this board be aware of that? Because there would’ve been some sort of media reference to it. That’s how clubs do their business these days.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 20, 2019 9:38:34 GMT
Name one serious, genuine offer we’ve had for him since relegation? West ham, £25M. That was then. Now we're lucky that they might offer £8M. That was before we went down.
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Post by pushon on Dec 20, 2019 9:50:16 GMT
In fairness, how would anyone on this board be aware of that? Because there would’ve been some sort of media reference to it. That’s how clubs do their business these days. Really? I think that's the old-fashioned way of doing things.Most business seems to be done through agents and it's been that way for quite some time.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 20, 2019 9:57:12 GMT
Edwards and Campbell have demonstrated already the difficulty of stepping up from the academy into the first team - both have been found wanting. To believe an academy player is going to step into Joe Allen's - or others - shoes is just wishful thinking. The one concern I would have over Allen is his physical presence - most of the teams in this division are made up of beasts and we're getting bullied off the ball all over the pitch. We need a couple of monsters in the team and Allen leaving provides a gap. The need for some physicality is another good reason for not turning to youth - the grizzled old pros in the is league will have them for breakfast - in some cases literally. From your reasoning you'd think there had never been a youth player who made into pro football, and yet you have to look at our dearest rivals, Arsenal and Manure, and countless others, to know that that is not quite true. You want a monster in the team? Just convert McClean to a central midfielder and play him alongside Cousins. He used to play there often enough for WBA and Eire, even though he was nominally wide. And watch any semblance of creativity disappear from our midfield... Young players can and do step up but when its successful there are 2 pre requisites - they are slotting into a functioning team (ours isn't) and they are good enough (time and again ours have proved that they aren't). You're also hoping that our unproven youngsters will turn round a misfiring relegation threatened team at the same time as learning their trade at a much higher level than they are used to playing. That is not going to happen. McClean actually proves my point. He may be technically limited but because his attitude is spot on and he can hold his own when it comes to the physical side of the game he's been able to make what technical ability he has count. As a result he's been one of the most creative players we've had this season and a candidate for player of the season. Powell on the other hand is clearly a far better technical player than McClean but for all his talents has contributed nothing creatively because he can't seem to cope with the physical side of the game. It doesn't matter how creative a player could be if they can't hack the physical side they are a waste of a place in the team. Given a choice of a McClean MK2 or a Powell MK2 to replace Allen in the midfield in this league in our situation I'd take McClean MK2 every time - and if we had 11 McClean equivalents on the pitch we wouldn't be anywhere near the relegation zone. Ideally we'd have a player with McCleans physicality and aggression combined with Powell's technical ability but those players are in the Premiership and wouldn't touch us with a bargepole at the moment.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 20, 2019 10:04:51 GMT
Because there would’ve been some sort of media reference to it. That’s how clubs do their business these days. Really? I think that's the old-fashioned way of doing things.Most business seems to be done through agents and it's been that way for quite some time. And agents use the media to unsettle clubs/players yes.
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Post by mamasgloves on Dec 20, 2019 10:07:21 GMT
Good enough for this league. Scored 2x against Luton, I seem to recall. surely that means he is good enough for league 1, lets face it, Luton are a League one team, and only stoke will stop them being back there next season The thing that does concern me though... selling Allen - yeah id be happy with that, get some money, get his wages off the books, maybe a coincidence that stokes decline really started when he arrived, and it started in midfield. Selling Badou, ok i can live with that, our best player, likely on amongst highest wages, allegedly doesn't want to be here, has interest from abroad Selling Etebo, mm ok, big wages, good enough to attract interest, allegedly doesn't want to be here. selling any one ( please let it be Allen) would be ok, but selling all 3, that could be a real disaster, and would be the excuse when we get relegated ( "we need time for the new look midfield to jell") an aside, on the radio stoke this morning, was a short mention of Jack butland, and him saying he doesent want to leave in January, ill be honest, my head dropped. of course he doesent want to leave, from here his only direction is down, perhaps though he is starting to realise him self, he isnt the keeper he was 5 years ago, and isnt wanted by bigger teams like he thinks he is Allen earns twice what Badou does and Powell earns more than him too - how much do you think we are spunking in wages for the likes of CCV, Hogan and Duffy too, well over £20k/week? You don't sell your best players, you shift twice as many shit ones.
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Post by serpico on Dec 20, 2019 10:07:44 GMT
i don't hate Allen as much as some on here but if we can get 15m for him then we should bite their hand off, he is replaceable.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Dec 20, 2019 10:07:48 GMT
Anything north of £10m we couldn't turn down surely
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Post by Gods on Dec 20, 2019 10:14:01 GMT
Frankly amazed at the sense on here that if we got Allen out of the door quick smart all our troubles would be over.
With Etebo and Badou out of favour and FFP preventing us from spending it's not like we have a ready to go alternative.
'Oven ready, put him in the microwave...' :-)
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Post by DC1863 on Dec 20, 2019 10:15:23 GMT
Anything north of £10m we couldn't turn down surely I'd be shocked if we got £10m+ for him, here's hoping though.
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Post by pushon on Dec 20, 2019 10:23:48 GMT
Really? I think that's the old-fashioned way of doing things.Most business seems to be done through agents and it's been that way for quite some time. And agents use the media to unsettle clubs/players yes. That is one circumstance where an agent may have a negative influence, but is in no way the normal way that they do their business. If this was the case then there would be massive disruption within the game. It seems to me that they will be much more concerned about a smooth relationship between club and player,which/whoever they are representing? After all it's their bread and butter.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Dec 20, 2019 10:38:48 GMT
CBUFAWKIPWH...I'm not sure Powell can be included in any reasonable debate as to our midfield capabilities as he's hardly featured. If fit and ready, I'd like to think there was a place for him supporting whoever plays up front, but with MON wedded to 4-3-3, it's going to be tough. If Aleen, Etebo and Badou go, then we're left with Cousins, Woods and Clucas, with Powell floating around to cover or play further upfield. That's obviously not enough to get through the season so either at least one of the mooted departees stays, or we dip into the transfer/loan market to bolster ourselves. Not ideal really, but that's the state we're in.. Getting rid of our existing loanees is going to be difficult enough, never mind bring anyone new in. The whole thing is a logistical nightmare whilst we're trying to survive.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 20, 2019 10:47:23 GMT
And agents use the media to unsettle clubs/players yes. That is one circumstance where an agent may have a negative influence, but is in no way the normal way that they do their business. If this was the case then there would be massive disruption within the game. It seems to me that they will be much more concerned about a smooth relationship between club and player,which/whoever they are representing? After all it's their bread and butter. I think that’s naive. Tapping up is rife. Gary Neville said he couldn’t think of a transfer he knew about during his playing days that didn’t involve tapping up. Clubs and players both have pet journalists and drip feed info as they pursue their or their representatives’ agendas.
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