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Post by Fred Ferret on Jan 1, 2020 8:42:42 GMT
Will we let him go? Surely we can’t let all 3 go? I think we might keep that useless shit despite him being the saviour to all our financial woes. If Moyes offers anything near £12m, hard to see how we could possibly say no? Without knowing the ins and outs about Etebo's attitude etc, this desire to get rid of him makes little sense as he isn't one that's on big money. It only makes sense if we fully anticipate at least get our money back, but I'm not hopeful. Far more likely to be another shitty Turkish loan That would be another loan to a shitty Turkish club then.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 1, 2020 9:42:30 GMT
So why let him go then in our position? He was playing well enough. Stupid to let him go without a cash sale given where we currently are. Who is going to buy our players when the players themselves know aswell as other clubs that we will just loan them out anyway. Scfc, the gift that just keeps on giving Jeez mate no offence but it’s been pointed out on numerous occasions FFP So we cant hold on to a big player until the end of the season then. That's the shape we are in, Dire straits?
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Post by pottarius on Jan 1, 2020 9:45:01 GMT
Jeez mate no offence but it’s been pointed out on numerous occasions FFP So we cant hold on to a big player until the end of the season then. That's the shape we are in, Dire straights? Well we are paying "Money for Nothing" currently
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 1, 2020 9:46:15 GMT
So we cant hold on to a big player until the end of the season then. That's the shape we are in, Dire straights? Well we are paying "Money for Nothing" currently 😂 very good and very true
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 1, 2020 9:49:56 GMT
We'll be using a food bank next for pre match meals.
Makes you wonder if the club are even bothered about relegation
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 1, 2020 10:00:15 GMT
Jeez mate no offence but it’s been pointed out on numerous occasions FFP So we cant hold on to a big player until the end of the season then. That's the shape we are in, Dire straits? It's all about the Scouting. Look at the money we threw away on Wimmer, Berahino and Imbula. Over 50m. If I'm honest in this window I'd rather we loaned some young PL players with a point to prove and bought the likes of Verlinden and Souter back. That's what we need right now. My biggest issue is the idiot that's overseeing it all. I have 0 confidence in him getting decent deals done.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 1, 2020 10:10:31 GMT
So we cant hold on to a big player until the end of the season then. That's the shape we are in, Dire straits? It's all about the Scouting. Look at the money we threw away on Wimmer, Berahino and Imbula. Over 50m. If I'm honest in this window I'd rather we loaned some young PL players with a point to prove and bought the likes of Verlinden and Souter back. That's what we need right now. My biggest issue is the idiot that's overseeing it all. I have 0 confidence in him getting decent deals done. I'm interested to see who we can get in in our position to give more to the team than ndiaye would have done for the rest of the season. I too have zero confidence that all of a sudden scfc are going to start signing the right players. I'm beginning to wonder if the club see relegation as the best chance of clearing the decks. By all means sell n ndiaye, even for minimal, but by loaning him out in our position we don't win at all, ndiaye runs his contract down and we continue the season handicapped
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Post by dingdongbell on Jan 1, 2020 10:25:07 GMT
It's all about the Scouting. Look at the money we threw away on Wimmer, Berahino and Imbula. Over 50m. If I'm honest in this window I'd rather we loaned some young PL players with a point to prove and bought the likes of Verlinden and Souter back. That's what we need right now. My biggest issue is the idiot that's overseeing it all. I have 0 confidence in him getting decent deals done. I'm interested to see who we can get in in our position to give more to the team than ndiaye would have done for the rest of the season. I too have zero confidence that all of a sudden scfc are going to start signing the right players. I'm beginning to wonder if the club see relegation as the best chance of clearing the decks. By all means sell n ndiaye, even for minimal, but by loaning him out in our position we don't win at all, ndiaye runs his contract down and we continue the season handicapped It’s just weird that the Club can’t see that they will just send him back in May , let Stoke pay his salary over the summer , then come sniffing around again in August . Jeez I was just a factory worker , but i think that I could manage the transfer side of thing s better .
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 1, 2020 10:30:29 GMT
I'm interested to see who we can get in in our position to give more to the team than ndiaye would have done for the rest of the season. I too have zero confidence that all of a sudden scfc are going to start signing the right players. I'm beginning to wonder if the club see relegation as the best chance of clearing the decks. By all means sell n ndiaye, even for minimal, but by loaning him out in our position we don't win at all, ndiaye runs his contract down and we continue the season handicapped It’s just weird that the Club can’t see that they will just send him back in May , let Stoke pay his salary over the summer , then come sniffing around again in August . Jeez I was just a factory worker , but i think that I could manage the transfer side of thing s better . Its disgusting, in a precarious position we have even withdrawn him from the squad leading up to january so he doesn't get injured for trabzonspor to lend him. It will be even more interesting to see if we have withdrawn etebo to lend him to someone aswell. Furthermore, who wants to pay £12m for allen when they can lend him and just pay his wages? They will just buy him 'if' he is a success, unless they are turkish. If you have seen this deal for ndiaye and you were intending on spending money on allen then you would offer a loan and possible £6m for allen instead Do we intend on staying in this league, what kind of message does that send out?
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jan 1, 2020 10:41:29 GMT
I'm interested to see who we can get in in our position to give more to the team than ndiaye would have done for the rest of the season. I too have zero confidence that all of a sudden scfc are going to start signing the right players. I'm beginning to wonder if the club see relegation as the best chance of clearing the decks. By all means sell n ndiaye, even for minimal, but by loaning him out in our position we don't win at all, ndiaye runs his contract down and we continue the season handicapped It’s just weird that the Club can’t see that they will just send him back in May , let Stoke pay his salary over the summer , then come sniffing around again in August . Jeez I was just a factory worker , but i think that I could manage the transfer side of thing s better . Said this many times how Galatasaray saw us coming.....we paid them £14m for half a season before he went back on loan no doubt us having to pay a chunk of his wages. It was a win-win for them.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 1, 2020 10:55:00 GMT
I would have loved to keep a well motivated Badou at Stoke for the season however we have to accept that he is too good for the championship and his good form when Jones was here was probably him trying to get a move in January. I have said before that I was uncomfortable in the way he celebrated with Nathan instead of team mates as that suggested he was one of the players who didn't integrate in the team, not good in a team game. For whatever reason MON has not played him and this can't be because of ability. I suggest it's more to do with the conversations he says he has had with all the players about whether they see a future for themselves at Stoke. There is no point in keeping someone at the club who adds nothing to the harmony of the team, is paid a high wage and doesn't want to be here. I can't say he didn't do his best for us this season or in the Premiership but he did show at Leeds under Rowett that hehas the potential to sulk.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 1, 2020 11:09:02 GMT
It’s just weird that the Club can’t see that they will just send him back in May , let Stoke pay his salary over the summer , then come sniffing around again in August . Jeez I was just a factory worker , but i think that I could manage the transfer side of thing s better . Said this many times how Galatasaray saw us coming.....we paid them £14m for half a season before he went back on loan no doubt us having to pay a chunk of his wages. It was a win-win for them. Says it all about our transfer team over £60m and counting out on loan who have contributed the square root of fuck all, players who don't give a fuck still here, 12 players signed under Nathan Jones who are not good enough for this League, still nothing wrong with the process
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jan 1, 2020 11:29:08 GMT
I'm interested to see who we can get in in our position to give more to the team than ndiaye would have done for the rest of the season. I too have zero confidence that all of a sudden scfc are going to start signing the right players. I'm beginning to wonder if the club see relegation as the best chance of clearing the decks. By all means sell n ndiaye, even for minimal, but by loaning him out in our position we don't win at all, ndiaye runs his contract down and we continue the season handicapped It’s just weird that the Club can’t see that they will just send him back in May , let Stoke pay his salary over the summer , then come sniffing around again in August . Jeez I was just a factory worker , but i think that I could manage the transfer side of thing s better . It’s been said many times on here but the issue is first we can’t afford to sell him for less than £10 million as we cant afford to write off any losses and second if we get £750k off the wage bill that is very important. The nightmare we have to avoid is a points deduction for next season
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Post by dingdongbell on Jan 1, 2020 12:19:38 GMT
It’s just weird that the Club can’t see that they will just send him back in May , let Stoke pay his salary over the summer , then come sniffing around again in August . Jeez I was just a factory worker , but i think that I could manage the transfer side of thing s better . It’s been said many times on here but the issue is first we can’t afford to sell him for less than £10 million as we cant afford to write off any losses and second if we get £750k off the wage bill that is very important. The nightmare we have to avoid is a points deduction for next season I think there’s absolutely no chance of getting anywhere near to 10 m for Badou , especially off a Turkish club , sadly that seems to be where he wants to play and it seems that he is happy to just go on loan every season until his contract runs out . He is fast becoming an equally disastrous signing that ranks alongside Palacios, Imbula , Berahino and Wimmer , plus a few more that I can’t presently bring to mind . Pretty sure if this sort of business went on at Bet 365 , Denise would be needing a new axe to wield.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 1, 2020 13:04:49 GMT
You don’t rate Allen do you? I thought you were better than that. Takes a special quality of individual to not appreciate (and bad mouth) Joe Allen does it ? Nice one Bayern 🙂 Anyone who can’t see what a complete fraud he is needs their head testing.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 1, 2020 13:06:11 GMT
If it’s 30k then it’s 700k for a 6 month loan. Which if we stay up is fine, if we go down then they all need sacking for allowing it. £700k is now a large amount of money for us. The accounts sounded good on the surface but the £29 million player amortisation is a massive number and really worrying. As far as I can see it will be similar next year as no big signings have contracts ending next year. That more than absorbs the parachute payment so we will only have about £20 million of revenue to cover all costs not just player wages. Badou’s wages are about 4% of our available revenue. Given we will have had our mid-season financial meeting with the EFL, it looks like we have committed to generate revenue. The risk is if we don’t generate income and reduce costs, we will start next season with a points penalty It’s sod all compared to staying up.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 1, 2020 13:46:09 GMT
It’s been said many times on here but the issue is first we can’t afford to sell him for less than £10 million as we cant afford to write off any losses and second if we get £750k off the wage bill that is very important. The nightmare we have to avoid is a points deduction for next season I think there’s absolutely no chance of getting anywhere near to 10 m for Badou , especially off a Turkish club , sadly that seems to be where he wants to play and it seems that he is happy to just go on loan every season until his contract runs out . He is fast becoming an equally disastrous signing that ranks alongside Palacios, Imbula , Berahino and Wimmer , plus a few more that I can’t presently bring to mind . Pretty sure if this sort of business went on at Bet 365 , Denise would be needing a new axe to wield. Let’s be clear this manager chose to drop him and leave him out saying he fly woods was a better option only to jettison woods too Badou gave 100% when he played , featured in both our best performances at Swansea and home to Luton we were doing ok against forest too until his injury He did nothing Wrong and didn’t apparently need to be panicked loaned until O’Neil arrived .
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Post by wuzza on Jan 1, 2020 14:21:08 GMT
Takes a special quality of individual to not appreciate (and bad mouth) Joe Allen does it ? Nice one Bayern 🙂 Anyone who can’t see what a complete fraud he is needs their head testing. Anyone who thinks he knows better than umpteen professionals in the game and a large chunk of other supporters should have their humility tested ....... just now and again.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 1, 2020 14:31:49 GMT
Anyone who can’t see what a complete fraud he is needs their head testing. Anyone who thinks he knows better than umpteen professionals in the game and a large chunk of other supporters should have their humility tested ....... just now and again. Yeah these professionals have been great for us.....
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 2, 2020 13:56:04 GMT
Ahmet Agaoglu: "Badou Ndiaye, we have with himself and his manager agreed in principle. A rental agreement. The explanation for the fee will be made to KAP on Friday. There will also be a Transfer option"
And the Trabzonspor fans are....er.....excited?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 14:13:08 GMT
Ahmet Agaoglu: "Badou Ndiaye, we have with himself and his manager agreed in principle. A rental agreement. The explanation for the fee will be made to KAP on Friday. There will also be a Transfer option" And the Trabzonspor fans are....er.....excited? Sorry what the fuck
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Post by RF10 on Jan 2, 2020 14:14:24 GMT
Ahmet Agaoglu: "Badou Ndiaye, we have with himself and his manager agreed in principle. A rental agreement. The explanation for the fee will be made to KAP on Friday. There will also be a Transfer option" And the Trabzonspor fans are....er.....excited? Bloody hell.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Jan 2, 2020 16:34:35 GMT
Is that a Vale fan? Gouranga.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 2, 2020 16:42:03 GMT
Is that a Vale fan? Gouranga. ...or have we sent them a fake Badou?
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Post by Miles Offside on Jan 2, 2020 16:53:06 GMT
I keep reading that Badou didn't want to stay here. That certainly seemed to be the case when he was refusing to play for us, but since he came back into the team he looked, to me anyway, that he was playing for his place and making a difference.
I just get the feeling that it was more to do with getting his wages off the ledger - and that probably applies to Etebo too.
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Post by Veritas on Jan 2, 2020 17:44:56 GMT
I keep reading that Badou didn't want to stay here. That certainly seemed to be the case when he was refusing to play for us, but since he came back into the team he looked, to me anyway, that he was playing for his place and making a difference. I just get the feeling that it was more to do with getting his wages off the ledger - and that probably applies to Etebo too. I am sure it is about the wages, we shouldn't have got ourselves into this position but we have and given where we are both Badou & Etebo probably need to go.
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Jan 2, 2020 17:55:12 GMT
Ahmet Agaoglu: "Badou Ndiaye, we have with himself and his manager agreed in principle. A rental agreement. The explanation for the fee will be made to KAP on Friday. There will also be a Transfer option" And the Trabzonspor fans are....er.....excited? Bloody hell. m I thought he had blacked up for the occasion at first as well.
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Post by zerps on Jan 2, 2020 17:56:32 GMT
m I thought he had blacked up for the occasion at first as well. 😄 he hasn’t?
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Jan 2, 2020 17:59:36 GMT
m I thought he had blacked up for the occasion at first as well. 😄 he hasn’t? Vitiligo....I think lol
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Post by zerps on Jan 2, 2020 18:02:49 GMT
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