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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2019 15:32:30 GMT
Some players will have to go, to make room for new signing.. Really?
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Post by owdestokie2 on Dec 25, 2019 16:58:28 GMT
Some players will have to go, to make room for new signing.. Really? Really.....yes. I think that’s our squad (as of today). Overloaded, unbalanced and not enough quality in certain areas. Whether or not (if we wanted to) send loan players back I don’t know. I would imagine if we signed them on a 12 month loan we’d be responsible for their wages anyway. Frightening really!! Frederici Butland Davies Ward Smith Edwards Tymon Batth Carter Vickers - loan Collins Lindsay Martins Indi Shawcross Duffy - loan N’Daiye Etebo Woods Clucas Allen McClean Ince Cousins Powell Vokes Gregory Hogan - loan Afobe (out injured) Campbell Diouf
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Post by enuntio on Dec 25, 2019 17:01:34 GMT
I'd get rid of the lot
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2019 17:28:51 GMT
Really.....yes. I think that’s our squad (as of today). Overloaded, unbalanced and not enough quality in certain areas. Whether or not (if we wanted to) send loan players back I don’t know. I would imagine if we signed them on a 12 month loan we’d be responsible for their wages anyway. Frightening really!! Frederici Butland Davies Ward Smith Edwards Tymon Batth Carter Vickers - loan Collins Lindsay Martins Indi Shawcross Duffy - loan N’Daiye Etebo Woods Clucas Allen McClean Ince Cousins Powell Vokes Gregory Hogan - loan Afobe (out injured) Campbell Diouf Not exactly "breaking news". I am assuming that you are just testing out the new keyboard that you had for Christmas.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Dec 25, 2019 19:25:26 GMT
Exactly what I was thinking, when I read the post, just. It’s a just timing difference but imagine we probably want to avoid taking the full hit this year given we are so up against it with the current wage bill. The year after we will have a few more big earners off the books to lighten the load slightly. Exactly. If we sell now for less than his book value, probably about £9 million, we take all the loss this season rather than the amortisation of around £4 million
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Post by owdestokie2 on Dec 25, 2019 20:07:07 GMT
Really.....yes. I think that’s our squad (as of today). Overloaded, unbalanced and not enough quality in certain areas. Whether or not (if we wanted to) send loan players back I don’t know. I would imagine if we signed them on a 12 month loan we’d be responsible for their wages anyway. Frightening really!! Frederici Butland Davies Ward Smith Edwards Tymon Batth Carter Vickers - loan Collins Lindsay Martins Indi Shawcross Duffy - loan N’Daiye Etebo Woods Clucas Allen McClean Ince Cousins Powell Vokes Gregory Hogan - loan Afobe (out injured) Campbell Diouf Not exactly "breaking news". I am assuming that you are just testing out the new keyboard that you had for Christmas. I wasn't being critical of your post. I was endeavouring continue the discussion/debate. PS: Same old keyboard, Santa hasn’t been kind this Xmas, but thanks for asking.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 26, 2019 8:44:47 GMT
You really are quite clueless. Either that or you just have to find no matter how nonsensical to have a pop at the club you so clearly hate. There's always a degree of confidentiality around a transfer - when did you last hear a manager say in public that a player has been dropped because a deal is in the process of being agreed with another club? I'll give you a clue - never. Which, according to your perverse logic, makes every manager who has ever lived a liar and a yes man. Badou has become the new Bojan - just another stick to batter the manager with. The bizarre thing is up until he came back in from the cold for a few games he was almost universally hatted and then all of a sudden he becomes our saviour. I don't have a problem with Badou - he's good enough to play at a higher level and a footballers career is short - good luck to him. I don't have a problem with O'Neil over this either - the club and the player wanted him gone and O'Neil wants to build a settled side around players with some commitment to the club and at the very least no immediate transfer in progress. Perfectly sensible decision not to play him. But then I actually like the club I support so I'm biased. Merry Xmas. Oh sorry - Bah Humbug. It's a fcuking loan deal to a club with little money, I wouldn't be surprised if we are paying most of his wage, meanwhile we have been pissing points away with the worst midfield we have ever had. In the few games he played Badou did ok - but he hardly set the world alight. If his mind was set on moving to a new club in January and O'Neil knew this why the hell would he include him in his plans? We haven't been losing games because of the midfield - we've been losing games because because of the defence and earlier in the season because of Butland's catastrophic form. We've bossed games in midfield for long periods and then lost because of crap defending. The midfield is the least of our worries - sort out the defence and we've got a chance.
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Post by loosestools on Dec 26, 2019 8:50:39 GMT
It's a fcuking loan deal to a club with little money, I wouldn't be surprised if we are paying most of his wage, meanwhile we have been pissing points away with the worst midfield we have ever had. In the few games he played Badou did ok - but he hardly set the world alight. If his mind was set on moving to a new club in January and O'Neil knew this why the hell would he include him in his plans? We haven't been losing games because of the midfield - we've been losing games because because of the defence and earlier in the season because of Butland's catastrophic form. We've bossed games in midfield for long periods and then lost because of crap defending. The midfield is the least of our worries - sort out the defence and we've got a chance. I think our midfield is appalling and is very much part of the problem, amongst every other department.
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Post by wilcopotter on Dec 26, 2019 8:51:08 GMT
Can we find a club for Ince in Timbuktu please🙏
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 26, 2019 9:01:28 GMT
Some players will have to go, to make room for new signing.. How big is this new signing ?
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Post by brumstokie on Dec 26, 2019 9:08:02 GMT
Some players will have to go, to make room for new signing.. How big is this new signing ? He needs to be big enough to cover the gaps that our midfield & defence leave - so massive!
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 26, 2019 9:11:30 GMT
In the few games he played Badou did ok - but he hardly set the world alight. If his mind was set on moving to a new club in January and O'Neil knew this why the hell would he include him in his plans? We haven't been losing games because of the midfield - we've been losing games because because of the defence and earlier in the season because of Butland's catastrophic form. We've bossed games in midfield for long periods and then lost because of crap defending. The midfield is the least of our worries - sort out the defence and we've got a chance. I think our midfield is appalling and is very much part of the problem, amongst every other department. The midfield is a large part of our problems, they lack everything a decent midfield needs to function as a cohesive unit, they provide little cover for a ropey defence, they create very little for our so called strikers but they boss games
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 26, 2019 9:53:03 GMT
It's a fcuking loan deal to a club with little money, I wouldn't be surprised if we are paying most of his wage, meanwhile we have been pissing points away with the worst midfield we have ever had. In the few games he played Badou did ok - but he hardly set the world alight. If his mind was set on moving to a new club in January and O'Neil knew this why the hell would he include him in his plans? We haven't been losing games because of the midfield - we've been losing games because because of the defence and earlier in the season because of Butland's catastrophic form. We've bossed games in midfield for long periods and then lost because of crap defending. The midfield is the least of our worries - sort out the defence and we've got a chance. The midfield failing to help the defence out has been an enormous part of the problem. It isn’t just the defence who has a responsibility to defend, you defend as a team. Look at Cousins’ pathetic efforts for Boro’s winner. Look at the number of times Allen has failed to track a runner or press the ball with any intensity and the opposition has gone on to score. Look at the number of times Woods has been AWOL despite being the notional holding midfielder. Ndiaye might not have stopped the bad results but his performances were streets ahead of anyone else we’ve played at the base of midfield. A January move was always likely but are we really saying he or the team would’ve done worse with him playing up until then? I’ll wager he’d have caused Bradley Dack more problems than Woods and given Boro’s kids more to think about than Cousins?
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 26, 2019 9:59:11 GMT
How big is this new signing ? He needs to be big enough to cover the gaps that our midfield & defence leave - so massive! No one is big enough to cover all those gaps.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 26, 2019 10:02:31 GMT
In the few games he played Badou did ok - but he hardly set the world alight. If his mind was set on moving to a new club in January and O'Neil knew this why the hell would he include him in his plans? We haven't been losing games because of the midfield - we've been losing games because because of the defence and earlier in the season because of Butland's catastrophic form. We've bossed games in midfield for long periods and then lost because of crap defending. The midfield is the least of our worries - sort out the defence and we've got a chance. The midfield failing to help the defence out has been an enormous part of the problem. It isn’t just the defence who has a responsibility to defend, you defend as a team. Look at Cousins’ pathetic efforts for Boro’s winner. Look at the number of times Allen has failed to track a runner or press the ball with any intensity and the opposition has gone on to score. Look at the number of times Woods has been AWOL despite being the notional holding midfielder. Ndiaye might not have stopped the bad results but his performances were streets ahead of anyone else we’ve played at the base of midfield. A January move was always likely but are we really saying he or the team would’ve done worse with him playing up until then? I’ll wager he’d have caused Bradley Dack more problems than Woods and given Boro’s kids more to think about than Cousins? I wouldn't worry, he'll be back at Stoke come start of next season.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 26, 2019 10:22:44 GMT
The midfield failing to help the defence out has been an enormous part of the problem. It isn’t just the defence who has a responsibility to defend, you defend as a team. Look at Cousins’ pathetic efforts for Boro’s winner. Look at the number of times Allen has failed to track a runner or press the ball with any intensity and the opposition has gone on to score. Look at the number of times Woods has been AWOL despite being the notional holding midfielder. Ndiaye might not have stopped the bad results but his performances were streets ahead of anyone else we’ve played at the base of midfield. A January move was always likely but are we really saying he or the team would’ve done worse with him playing up until then? I’ll wager he’d have caused Bradley Dack more problems than Woods and given Boro’s kids more to think about than Cousins? I wouldn't worry, he'll be back at Stoke come start of next season. Sure he’ll be bang up for a trip to Fleetwood.
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Post by musik on Dec 26, 2019 10:43:25 GMT
We will be left with our worst players.
League 2 here we come.
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Post by rawli on Dec 26, 2019 11:10:25 GMT
He needs to be big enough to cover the gaps that our midfield & defence leave - so massive! No one is big enough to cover all those gaps. Could get Charlie back. He fill the gap and then some.
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Post by enuntio on Dec 26, 2019 11:10:37 GMT
We will be left with our worst players. League 2 here we come. It isn't so much as the players, but the team. We have no team ethics, no desire, we show very little effort in trying to win. We show how massively effective we are at giving up. It has to change, the sooner the better...
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Post by matelot1996 on Dec 26, 2019 11:14:06 GMT
Ince, Ward, Bath, Lyndsey ??? Their combined transfer fees wouldn’t be sufficient to buy Tom Pope 🤮🤮🖕🤮🤬🤬🤬
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Post by adamsson on Dec 26, 2019 12:05:16 GMT
Really.....yes. I think that’s our squad (as of today). Overloaded, unbalanced and not enough quality in certain areas. Whether or not (if we wanted to) send loan players back I don’t know. I would imagine if we signed them on a 12 month loan we’d be responsible for their wages anyway. Frightening really!! Frederici Butland Davies Ward Smith Edwards Tymon Batth Carter Vickers - loan Collins Lindsay Martins Indi Shawcross Duffy - loan N’Daiye Etebo Woods Clucas Allen McClean Ince Cousins Powell Vokes Gregory Hogan - loan Afobe (out injured) Campbell Diouf No one on that list is actually any good and none of them would be missed.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 26, 2019 12:11:32 GMT
I wouldn't worry, he'll be back at Stoke come start of next season. Sure he’ll be bang up for a trip to Fleetwood. He's not bang up for a trip to anywhere in a Stoke City shirt.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 26, 2019 12:34:31 GMT
Sure he’ll be bang up for a trip to Fleetwood. He's not bang up for a trip to anywhere in a Stoke City shirt. His performances suggested he was more up for it than the supposedly committed owns.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 26, 2019 12:43:54 GMT
He's not bang up for a trip to anywhere in a Stoke City shirt. His performances suggested he was more up for it than the supposedly committed owns. I just don't see it mate. For a £14million player he's bang average. He's 29 and played for no one of real note at a high level. Nobody wants to spend any money on him for a reason. Another SCFC transfer balls up.
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Post by lordb on Dec 26, 2019 12:53:48 GMT
His performances suggested he was more up for it than the supposedly committed owns. I just don't see it mate. For a £14million player he's bang average. He's 29 and played for no one of real note at a high level. Nobody wants to spend any money on him for a reason. Another SCFC transfer balls up. Can only say thought Badou played pretty good in shit Stoke teams in both his spells here. Far better than the average Stoke midfielder
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 26, 2019 14:38:02 GMT
His performances suggested he was more up for it than the supposedly committed owns. I just don't see it mate. For a £14million player he's bang average. He's 29 and played for no one of real note at a high level. Nobody wants to spend any money on him for a reason. Another SCFC transfer balls up. He’s a mile better than what we’ve got, is the point. I don’t see what your point is with ‘nobody wants to spend money on him’? Historically some of our best players over the past 10-15 years weren’t exactly coveted, that didn’t mean they weren’t worth their place in our side? There’s a clamour to rewrite history now and portray Ndiaye as a tool downing waster because the powers that be have decreed he’s off and we can’t have any criticism of the manager until X number of games, apparently.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 26, 2019 14:43:45 GMT
I just don't see it mate. For a £14million player he's bang average. He's 29 and played for no one of real note at a high level. Nobody wants to spend any money on him for a reason. Another SCFC transfer balls up. He’s a mile better than what we’ve got, is the point. I don’t see what your point is with ‘nobody wants to spend money on him’? Historically some of our best players over the past 10-15 years weren’t exactly coveted, that didn’t mean they weren’t worth their place in our side? There’s a clamour to rewrite history now and portray Ndiaye as a tool downing waster because the powers that be have decreed he’s off and we can’t have any criticism of the manager until X number of games, apparently. Results have been shit with him in and out of the team. Your last sentence is a bit rich to be honest.
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Post by thehoof on Dec 26, 2019 14:48:44 GMT
He’s not that good. Played the second half of the season which saw us tumble from 16 th to relegation and had one consistent 90 minutes- Swansea away last game of the season. Other games he’d have a good 45 minutes before disappearing usually in the second half. First season in the Championship and couldn’t get away quick enough. He has done okay this season but hasn’t grabbed one game by the scruff of the neck and dominated. He has scored none has no assists and played in one game where we have kept a clean sheet- no body really wants him because he is just a bit better than average.
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Post by tcdobinghoff on Dec 26, 2019 14:50:22 GMT
His performances suggested he was more up for it than the supposedly committed owns. I just don't see it mate. For a £14million player he's bang average. He's 29 and played for no one of real note at a high level. Nobody wants to spend any money on him for a reason. Another SCFC transfer balls up. If we had 11 “bang average” players wouldn’t we be mid-table ?
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 26, 2019 14:51:48 GMT
I just don't see it mate. For a £14million player he's bang average. He's 29 and played for no one of real note at a high level. Nobody wants to spend any money on him for a reason. Another SCFC transfer balls up. If we had 11 “bang average” players wouldn’t we be mid-table ? £4million makes an almighty difference it appears...
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