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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 7, 2020 13:03:03 GMT
It's great to see so many posters changing their minds about Powell. Lots of comments were made about him being lazy not wanting to be here and even feigning injury so as not to play....all absolutely bizarre and only on a message board The reality is that he has always been a very talented footballer and its not hard to see why so many people who know more than us rate him. I think his 'sick note' label is unfair and actually inaccurate. At Wigan he managed 39 and 32 games over the last two seasons before he joined us. He can get injured but clearly he takes a bit of punishment during games but the secret must be for the physios and medics to manage him correctly like they clearly did at Wigan. I don't think he's lazy or feigns injury. Technically he's a very good player - the problem is he's a soft touch and every opposition manager and defender knows it and he'll get targeted and bullied out of the game - as happened against QPR. Physically he's similar to McClean. The difference is McClean rarely gets targeted because the opposition know it isn't going to work and if someone does have a pop the chances are they'll come off worse. Powell is capable of being a very influential player for us. But first he's going to have to grow a pair.
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Post by Veritas on Jan 7, 2020 14:25:41 GMT
It's great to see so many posters changing their minds about Powell. Lots of comments were made about him being lazy not wanting to be here and even feigning injury so as not to play....all absolutely bizarre and only on a message board The reality is that he has always been a very talented footballer and its not hard to see why so many people who know more than us rate him. I think his 'sick note' label is unfair and actually inaccurate. At Wigan he managed 39 and 32 games over the last two seasons before he joined us. He can get injured but clearly he takes a bit of punishment during games but the secret must be for the physios and medics to manage him correctly like they clearly did at Wigan. I don't think he's lazy or feigns injury. Technically he's a very good player - the problem is he's a soft touch and every opposition manager and defender knows it and he'll get targeted and bullied out of the game - as happened against QPR. Physically he's similar to McClean. The difference is McClean rarely gets targeted because the opposition know it isn't going to work and if someone does have a pop the chances are they'll come off worse. Powell is capable of being a very influential player for us. But first he's going to have to grow a pair. He didn't get bullied by QPR he was kicked out of the game by a team who deliberately rotated the fouls to limit any cards, the ref allowed this to happen which was the issue.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jan 7, 2020 16:31:38 GMT
It's great to see so many posters changing their minds about Powell. Lots of comments were made about him being lazy not wanting to be here and even feigning injury so as not to play....all absolutely bizarre and only on a message board The reality is that he has always been a very talented footballer and its not hard to see why so many people who know more than us rate him. I think his 'sick note' label is unfair and actually inaccurate. At Wigan he managed 39 and 32 games over the last two seasons before he joined us. He can get injured but clearly he takes a bit of punishment during games but the secret must be for the physios and medics to manage him correctly like they clearly did at Wigan. I don't think he's lazy or feigns injury. Technically he's a very good player - the problem is he's a soft touch and every opposition manager and defender knows it and he'll get targeted and bullied out of the game - as happened against QPR. Physically he's similar to McClean. The difference is McClean rarely gets targeted because the opposition know it isn't going to work and if someone does have a pop the chances are they'll come off worse. Powell is capable of being a very influential player for us. But first he's going to have to grow a pair. Grow a pair? I don't think he's a shirker. He made my blood boil when he played against us and riled Ashley Williams. I don't think he's a coward at all.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 7, 2020 16:45:42 GMT
I don't think he's lazy or feigns injury. Technically he's a very good player - the problem is he's a soft touch and every opposition manager and defender knows it and he'll get targeted and bullied out of the game - as happened against QPR. Physically he's similar to McClean. The difference is McClean rarely gets targeted because the opposition know it isn't going to work and if someone does have a pop the chances are they'll come off worse. Powell is capable of being a very influential player for us. But first he's going to have to grow a pair. He didn't get bullied by QPR he was kicked out of the game by a team who deliberately rotated the fouls to limit any cards, the ref allowed this to happen which was the issue. Which is exactly my point - QPR knew they could target him and their tactics rendered him ineffectual. Had he given as good as he got the bullying would have stopped - and if he hadn't got a reputation for being a bit of a soft touch it wouldn't have happened in the first place. The fact he came through similar treatment against Huddersfield is a good sign and maybe O'Neill has had a word - in fact he made a comment the other day about us not having a particularly "powerful" midfield so he could be aware of the issue of us being a bit powder puff. Refs have to work within the confine of the laws of the game and getting rotational yellow cards maybe cheating but the ref can only give a yellow for a yellow card offence. Relying on refs isn't going to help - it's up to the player to hold their own - which means not reacting, pretending it doesn't hurt even if it does and getting your own back at the first available opportunity without getting sent off in the process. He needs a few lessons off McClean.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 7, 2020 16:52:29 GMT
He didn't get bullied by QPR he was kicked out of the game by a team who deliberately rotated the fouls to limit any cards, the ref allowed this to happen which was the issue. Which is exactly my point - QPR knew they could target him and their tactics rendered him ineffectual. Had he given as good as he got the bullying would have stopped - and if he hadn't got a reputation for being a bit of a soft touch it wouldn't have happened in the first place. The fact he came through similar treatment against Huddersfield is a good sign and maybe O'Neill has had a word - in fact he made a comment the other day about us not having a particularly "powerful" midfield so he could be aware of the issue of us being a bit powder puff. Refs have to work within the confine of the laws of the game and getting rotational yellow cards maybe cheating but the ref can only give a yellow for a yellow card offence. Relying on refs isn't going to help - it's up to the player to hold their own - which means not reacting, pretending it doesn't hurt even if it does and getting your own back at the first available opportunity without getting sent off in the process. He needs a few lessons off McClean. They fouled the shit out of him and injured him. That's not growing a pair or getting tougher. He didn't hide, he kept taking the fouls until he couldn't get fouled any more. And he wasn't bullied either, he just wasn't protected by the ref. He carried on trying to play and carried on getting kicked. That's brave.
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Post by nickpowellgoals on Jan 7, 2020 17:29:23 GMT
I agree with Bayern.
Shows some commitment that he tried to play. Can't see Ince trying that 🤔
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2020 17:31:37 GMT
It's great to see so many posters changing their minds about Powell. Lots of comments were made about him being lazy not wanting to be here and even feigning injury so as not to play....all absolutely bizarre and only on a message board The reality is that he has always been a very talented footballer and its not hard to see why so many people who know more than us rate him. I think his 'sick note' label is unfair and actually inaccurate. At Wigan he managed 39 and 32 games over the last two seasons before he joined us. He can get injured but clearly he takes a bit of punishment during games but the secret must be for the physios and medics to manage him correctly like they clearly did at Wigan. I don't think he's lazy or feigns injury. Technically he's a very good player - the problem is he's a soft touch and every opposition manager and defender knows it and he'll get targeted and bullied out of the game - as happened against QPR. Physically he's similar to McClean. The difference is McClean rarely gets targeted because the opposition know it isn't going to work and if someone does have a pop the chances are they'll come off worse. Powell is capable of being a very influential player for us. But first he's going to have to grow a pair. Powell can't easily be bullied but he's a bully himself when it is called for. Just ask Adrian Williams who got sent off playing for us vs Wigan after a few episodes.
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Post by Veritas on Jan 7, 2020 17:39:39 GMT
He didn't get bullied by QPR he was kicked out of the game by a team who deliberately rotated the fouls to limit any cards, the ref allowed this to happen which was the issue. Which is exactly my point - QPR knew they could target him and their tactics rendered him ineffectual. Had he given as good as he got the bullying would have stopped - and if he hadn't got a reputation for being a bit of a soft touch it wouldn't have happened in the first place. The fact he came through similar treatment against Huddersfield is a good sign and maybe O'Neill has had a word - in fact he made a comment the other day about us not having a particularly "powerful" midfield so he could be aware of the issue of us being a bit powder puff. Refs have to work within the confine of the laws of the game and getting rotational yellow cards maybe cheating but the ref can only give a yellow for a yellow card offence. Relying on refs isn't going to help - it's up to the player to hold their own - which means not reacting, pretending it doesn't hurt even if it does and getting your own back at the first available opportunity without getting sent off in the process. He needs a few lessons off McClean. I am afraid your logic doesn't stand up, Powell didn't "react" he was injured and out for several weeks as a result of numerous fouls. He would have been bullied if after the first couple he disappeared, he didn't and continued to get fouled.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 7, 2020 18:14:57 GMT
Which is exactly my point - QPR knew they could target him and their tactics rendered him ineffectual. Had he given as good as he got the bullying would have stopped - and if he hadn't got a reputation for being a bit of a soft touch it wouldn't have happened in the first place. The fact he came through similar treatment against Huddersfield is a good sign and maybe O'Neill has had a word - in fact he made a comment the other day about us not having a particularly "powerful" midfield so he could be aware of the issue of us being a bit powder puff. Refs have to work within the confine of the laws of the game and getting rotational yellow cards maybe cheating but the ref can only give a yellow for a yellow card offence. Relying on refs isn't going to help - it's up to the player to hold their own - which means not reacting, pretending it doesn't hurt even if it does and getting your own back at the first available opportunity without getting sent off in the process. He needs a few lessons off McClean. I am afraid your logic doesn't stand up, Powell didn't "react" he was injured and out for several weeks as a result of numerous fouls. He would have been bullied if after the first couple he disappeared, he didn't and continued to get fouled. He did nothing that game. QPR did a number him and as a result for the most part he's been as peripheral to events as he was in that first game. There is definitely a good player in there and I sincerely hope he comes good - but I'm not going to change my view until he plays half a dozen full 90 minutes on the trot (I don't expect him to do a Denis Smith but playing with the occasional bruise would be a start), contributes despite fouled (just get up and kick him back) and by the end of 6 games he's not attracting so many fouls because managers and defenders no longer clock him as a soft touch.
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Post by clarkeda on Jan 7, 2020 18:48:40 GMT
Always in an opposition face winding them up which is something we haven’t done since Cameron was playing. Geoff Cameron? Yeah.
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Post by rawli on Jan 7, 2020 20:19:56 GMT
I am afraid your logic doesn't stand up, Powell didn't "react" he was injured and out for several weeks as a result of numerous fouls. He would have been bullied if after the first couple he disappeared, he didn't and continued to get fouled. He did nothing that game. QPR did a number him and as a result for the most part he's been as peripheral to events as he was in that first game. There is definitely a good player in there and I sincerely hope he comes good - but I'm not going to change my view until he plays half a dozen full 90 minutes on the trot (I don't expect him to do a Denis Smith but playing with the occasional bruise would be a start), contributes despite fouled (just get up and kick him back) and by the end of 6 games he's not attracting so many fouls because managers and defenders no longer clock him as a soft touch. You foul the most dangerous players not just the easiest bullied ones. QPR and others will do a number on him because they know if they allow him to play the team will play.
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Post by nickpowellgoals on Jan 7, 2020 20:24:37 GMT
I'm fairly confident that given sufficient time he will grow into an incredibly integral part of the team. He seems to be a player we have been missing in our attacking lineup
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Post by neddy on Jan 7, 2020 20:28:12 GMT
I'm fairly confident that given sufficient time he will grow into an incredibly integral part of the team. He seems to be a player we have been missing in our attacking lineup Yes Nick.....see if you can score again on Saturday!
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Post by nickpowellgoals on Jan 7, 2020 20:39:10 GMT
I'm fairly confident that given sufficient time he will grow into an incredibly integral part of the team. He seems to be a player we have been missing in our attacking lineup Yes Nick.....see if you can score again on Saturday! He's arguably the most talented and creative player in the squad. So lets live in hope!
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 7, 2020 20:42:54 GMT
Yes Nick.....see if you can score again on Saturday! He's arguably the most talented and creative player in the squad. So lets live in hope! Did I inspire you with my username nicholas? 😁
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Post by nickpowellgoals on Jan 7, 2020 20:46:02 GMT
He's arguably the most talented and creative player in the squad. So lets live in hope! Did I inspire you with my username nicholas? 😁 Aye you did Mr Saido sir!
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 8, 2020 4:35:54 GMT
I don't think he's lazy or feigns injury. Technically he's a very good player - the problem is he's a soft touch and every opposition manager and defender knows it and he'll get targeted and bullied out of the game - as happened against QPR. Physically he's similar to McClean. The difference is McClean rarely gets targeted because the opposition know it isn't going to work and if someone does have a pop the chances are they'll come off worse. Powell is capable of being a very influential player for us. But first he's going to have to grow a pair. Grow a pair? I don't think he's a shirker. He made my blood boil when he played against us and riled Ashley Williams. I don't think he's a coward at all. This. He’s more than capable of a little bit of shithousery, and it’s something I want to see him bring to the table for us. We’ve been a soft touch for 3-4 years now, and we need to bring a bit of needle back into our play. I think a run of decent games will do his confidence the world of good, and then maybe he’ll get some swagger back in his game. Definitely proved he’s got that in his locker when he gave Williams the treatment in that game.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 8, 2020 8:28:38 GMT
He did nothing that game. QPR did a number him and as a result for the most part he's been as peripheral to events as he was in that first game. There is definitely a good player in there and I sincerely hope he comes good - but I'm not going to change my view until he plays half a dozen full 90 minutes on the trot (I don't expect him to do a Denis Smith but playing with the occasional bruise would be a start), contributes despite fouled (just get up and kick him back) and by the end of 6 games he's not attracting so many fouls because managers and defenders no longer clock him as a soft touch. You foul the most dangerous players not just the easiest bullied ones. QPR and others will do a number on him because they know if they allow him to play the team will play. Correct. So if you are the most creative player you also have to be one of the toughest players. Powell clearly isn't - same as Bojan before him. Whether his issues are physical or mental I don't know. Powell clearly has talent and, if contributing on the pitch, will improve our attacking options. Thing is the only evidence is one league game - where he showed glimpses of what he can do - and one throwaway game in the cup. My opinion is based on what I've seen on the pitch - most of the Powell love in on this thread is just wishful thinking, deification of technical ability and a lack of appreciation of the importance of brute physicality and getting the opposition to believe it's simply not worth fouling you because they'll be the ones that won't be effective in the game and not you.
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Post by rawli on Jan 8, 2020 12:41:46 GMT
You foul the most dangerous players not just the easiest bullied ones. QPR and others will do a number on him because they know if they allow him to play the team will play. Correct. So if you are the most creative player you also have to be one of the toughest players. Powell clearly isn't - same as Bojan before him. Whether his issues are physical or mental I don't know. Powell clearly has talent and, if contributing on the pitch, will improve our attacking options. Thing is the only evidence is one league game - where he showed glimpses of what he can do - and one throwaway game in the cup. My opinion is based on what I've seen on the pitch - most of the Powell love in on this thread is just wishful thinking, deification of technical ability and a lack of appreciation of the importance of brute physicality and getting the opposition to believe it's simply not worth fouling you because they'll be the ones that won't be effective in the game and not you. I've seen him take the piss when playing for Wigan and have an outstanding game for us v Huddersfield. I can also see he puts it about a bit. You seem to want him not to be the real deal.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jan 8, 2020 12:49:46 GMT
I am afraid your logic doesn't stand up, Powell didn't "react" he was injured and out for several weeks as a result of numerous fouls. He would have been bullied if after the first couple he disappeared, he didn't and continued to get fouled. He did nothing that game. QPR did a number him and as a result for the most part he's been as peripheral to events as he was in that first game. There is definitely a good player in there and I sincerely hope he comes good - but I'm not going to change my view until he plays half a dozen full 90 minutes on the trot (I don't expect him to do a Denis Smith but playing with the occasional bruise would be a start), contributes despite fouled (just get up and kick him back) and by the end of 6 games he's not attracting so many fouls because managers and defenders no longer clock him as a soft touch. Do you ever stop talking nonsense?
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Post by nickpowellgoals on Jan 8, 2020 15:43:29 GMT
You foul the most dangerous players not just the easiest bullied ones. QPR and others will do a number on him because they know if they allow him to play the team will play. Correct. So if you are the most creative player you also have to be one of the toughest players. Powell clearly isn't - same as Bojan before him. Whether his issues are physical or mental I don't know. Powell clearly has talent and, if contributing on the pitch, will improve our attacking options. Thing is the only evidence is one league game - where he showed glimpses of what he can do - and one throwaway game in the cup. My opinion is based on what I've seen on the pitch - most of the Powell love in on this thread is just wishful thinking, deification of technical ability and a lack of appreciation of the importance of brute physicality and getting the opposition to believe it's simply not worth fouling you because they'll be the ones that won't be effective in the game and not you. Given time I think mentally he will improve (as results should improve with his inclusion), I think in turn he will develop strength with match fitness from there. I think we need to give him time and play in a formation that suits him (we should definitely be including our most creative player). Then all will soon be well
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2020 15:49:21 GMT
Correct. So if you are the most creative player you also have to be one of the toughest players. Powell clearly isn't - same as Bojan before him. Whether his issues are physical or mental I don't know. Powell clearly has talent and, if contributing on the pitch, will improve our attacking options. Thing is the only evidence is one league game - where he showed glimpses of what he can do - and one throwaway game in the cup. My opinion is based on what I've seen on the pitch - most of the Powell love in on this thread is just wishful thinking, deification of technical ability and a lack of appreciation of the importance of brute physicality and getting the opposition to believe it's simply not worth fouling you because they'll be the ones that won't be effective in the game and not you. Given time I think mentally he will improve (as results should improve with his inclusion), I think in turn he will develop strength with match fitness from there. I think we need to give him time and play in a formation that suits him (we should definitely be including our most creative player). Then all will soon be well Are you Nick Powell?
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 8, 2020 20:47:15 GMT
Correct. So if you are the most creative player you also have to be one of the toughest players. Powell clearly isn't - same as Bojan before him. Whether his issues are physical or mental I don't know. Powell clearly has talent and, if contributing on the pitch, will improve our attacking options. Thing is the only evidence is one league game - where he showed glimpses of what he can do - and one throwaway game in the cup. My opinion is based on what I've seen on the pitch - most of the Powell love in on this thread is just wishful thinking, deification of technical ability and a lack of appreciation of the importance of brute physicality and getting the opposition to believe it's simply not worth fouling you because they'll be the ones that won't be effective in the game and not you. I've seen him take the piss when playing for Wigan and have an outstanding game for us v Huddersfield. I can also see he puts it about a bit. You seem to want him not to be the real deal. Where I have said I don't want him to be the real deal? In virtual every post I've complimented him on his technical ability and said I want to see him come good. I have doubts about his ability to deal with the physical side of the game. I want him to succeed but I think he'll only succeed if he toughens up. Others have decided he's the real deal based on one decent game against Huddersfield. Fair enough - I just think it's based on wishful thinking.
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Post by dkws on Jan 10, 2020 14:13:55 GMT
He’s a tough lad, is Nick; I wouldn’t worry about that aspect. When at Crewe, mainly playing as a forward, I don’t think I’d seen a player better at ‘defending from the front’, tracking back and often retrieving the ball. What you need to understand is that at 25, he has yet to play a full season, anywhere, for anyone. At Crewe, he became a definite starter in the November; Crewe went up - largely because of him! - then he left in May. At United he made a few appearances under Ferguson, and was often on the bench in Jan/Feb, but at the end of the season he tweeted a picture of himself having recovered from an operation. He missed pre-season, and Moyes took over. On loan at Wigan he started well, and scored goals in Europe as well as at the level he’s at now; then even there, he had a change of manager, but also had the first of his hamstring injuries, missing a few months. Were the hamstring injuries anything to do with that operation? Nick may know, but it’s his business. He blotted his copybook with the drink driving charge. Maybe that’s why he couldn’t join United’s pre-season in the USA. Van Gaal became manager. He was sent to Leicester, where, to put it mildly, there didn’t seem to be much chemistry with Nigel Pearson (contradictory stories exist concerning why), so he was back at United, playing for their under 23s, but the hamstring injury returned, requiring an operation, and another pre-season missed. By the end of 2015 he was included by Van Gaal in the match day squad twice, with United short due to injuries. Unsurprisingly he wasn’t able to impress. They sent him to Hull, but further hamstring problems restricted his appearances. He left United for Wigan, where Paul Cook clearly recognised that a player with such an injury record needed to be handled carefully. He did well for Wigan, especially in League One of course; there were always worries though, about the hamstring, and he would often play just 60 or 70 minutes. So now he’s with Stoke, and there has been no mention of hamstrings, just a calf injury probably sustained in that first game. Is he over that? Is he clear of hamstring problems? It was encouraging that he played 90 minutes+, and so soon after 85 minutes too. Ferguson and Gradi agreed that he could be the central playmaker at United, given time. He’s missed so much football that that level could well be beyond him now, but for Stoke, who knows? Still so many ‘ifs’, but O’Neill at least seems to be recognising that he has a talent in his squad.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jan 10, 2020 15:26:51 GMT
Nick couldn't have put it better himself!
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Post by RAF on Jan 10, 2020 22:35:04 GMT
Nick couldn't have put it better himself! If only he weren't made of Chipsticks! H ;)
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