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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Dec 16, 2019 18:57:03 GMT
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 16, 2019 18:59:53 GMT
Labour spent the money the Tories have had to pay for it same as always. Bastards them labour guys building new hospitals to replace those that were falling down not to mention the schools that needed to be built. It was Labour who caused the world wide recession don't you know PFI
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Post by felonious on Dec 16, 2019 19:47:05 GMT
So good to see happy faces on this board Rog to remind a few of what they look like
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 17, 2019 10:16:03 GMT
I don't believe Salop lives in Stoke? I dont but I’m pretty sure that a Tory government normally could not give two shits about labour constituencies that they would never win. I’m also pretty sure that labour governments concentrated more on their marginals than their safe seats My point now is that the game has changed. If the tories want to stay in these new seats they have a chance to keep a whole new electorate. If they don’t they lose them for ever. These people won’t quiver over a Tory box again The ball is in The Tory’s court "I dont but I’m pretty sure that a Tory government normally could not give two shits about labour constituencies that they would never win" I completely disagree with this theory the recent election results prove that nothing is impossible in politics.The traditional tory villages,towns and cities,are generally economically sound and have enough money in their communities to keep a healthy econmy in their area. Stoke does not have this luxury and if the tories had any intention of winning over the people of Stoke all they had to do was offer them money and they would have ticked the blue box. BUT they didnt did they that is the crux of it all .They didnt and they could have but they just let it sink into oblivion. Lets see what happens.
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Post by salopstick on Dec 17, 2019 10:43:14 GMT
I dont but I’m pretty sure that a Tory government normally could not give two shits about labour constituencies that they would never win. I’m also pretty sure that labour governments concentrated more on their marginals than their safe seats My point now is that the game has changed. If the tories want to stay in these new seats they have a chance to keep a whole new electorate. If they don’t they lose them for ever. These people won’t quiver over a Tory box again The ball is in The Tory’s court "I dont but I’m pretty sure that a Tory government normally could not give two shits about labour constituencies that they would never win" I completely disagree with this theory the recent election results prove that nothing is impossible in politics.The traditional tory villages,towns and cities,are generally economically sound and have enough money in their communities to keep a healthy econmy in their area. Stoke does not have this luxury and if the tories had any intention of winning over the people of Stoke all they had to do was offer them money and they would have ticked the blue box. BUT they didnt did they that is the crux of it all .They didnt and they could have but they just let it sink into oblivion. Lets see what happens. It took the labour leadership being lower than whale shit, it took broken labour promises, it took a London/South/purple hair mentality to finally get the working classes to ditch labour. I’m not naive it’s more an anti labour vote than a pro Tory vote. The point til stands. The torys now have a chance to keep these votes. Attitudes such as yours is helping them
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Post by felonious on May 9, 2021 10:08:57 GMT
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Post by zerps on May 9, 2021 12:51:21 GMT
They dunner like change in Leek 😂
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Post by Gods on May 9, 2021 20:18:38 GMT
Labour's election record in the last 40 years should tell you something about Britain's natural conservatism.
Lose, lose, lose, lose, Blair, Blair, Blair, lose, lose, lose, lose.
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Post by flea79 on May 9, 2021 22:10:56 GMT
More worrying is the low turnout across the board and the amount of spoilt votes for people who like myself who want to be counted but felt unable to vote with any conviction
Voter engagement from all parties must be improved
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Post by felonious on May 10, 2021 6:41:27 GMT
They dunner like change in Leek 😂 I think it's the fact that they do now in Silverdale, Knutton, Cross Heath, Bradwell, Crackley, Chesterton, etc that's absolutely astonishing.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 10, 2021 7:14:28 GMT
Labour's election record in the last 40 years should tell you something about Britain's natural conservatism. Lose, lose, lose, lose, Blair, Blair, Blair, lose, lose, lose, lose. Bob on. The sad thing is, how much does that "natural conservatism" actually improve lives for ordinary people? Maybe that's irrelevant. Perhaps, Pulis-esque, the result is the only thing that matters! So, while all that money swirls around the 5th biggest economy in the world and ordinary people continue to want for significant improvements in the things that will actually make their lives better, perhaps it's just the recollection of those results moments that really matters? Or the fear of how bad things would possibly be under a hypothetical alternative? What a choice!
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Post by felonious on May 10, 2021 7:46:19 GMT
Labour's election record in the last 40 years should tell you something about Britain's natural conservatism. Lose, lose, lose, lose, Blair, Blair, Blair, lose, lose, lose, lose. I think the Blair and Brown government was a socialist government it just had to be dressed up to give it some distance from the unions and take on 5 years worth of Conservative financial plans to give it the air of competence that would get it elected. Having got elected they set about introducing state benefits via the tax credit system. Massive spending programmes on schools and hospitals funded by PPI. Tax increases to individuals and businesses via the National Insurance system. Blair continued the hard work put in by Kinnock to make the party electable.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 10, 2021 8:03:03 GMT
Labour's election record in the last 40 years should tell you something about Britain's natural conservatism. Lose, lose, lose, lose, Blair, Blair, Blair, lose, lose, lose, lose. I think the Blair and Brown government was a socialist government it just had to be dressed up to give it some distance from the unions and take on 5 years worth of Conservative financial plans to give it the air of competence that would get it elected. Having got elected they set about introducing state benefits via the tax credit system. Massive spending programmes on schools and hospitals funded by PPI. Tax increases to individuals and businesses via the National Insurance system. Blair continued the hard work put in by Kinnock to make the party electable. You're out of step with Saint Margaret if you think that! "I see a lot of socialism behind Labour's front bench [ie the Executive], but not in Mr Blair". And conversely, the Opposition (the Tories) were promising to match Labour spending plans up to 2011 back in 2007, some way after they'd left behind the budgetary policy of the first term. Tax take in this country barely changes overall, as a % of GDP. That's the problem. People see it as a pointless unnecessary evil, whereas the reality is it's the fairest way to actually bring about improvements to the things that matter. BUt we seem to be increasingly embracing the American way, which, as American society regularly demonstrates, isn't a good direction to pursue. Most European countries have higher overall rates of tax take, better public services and happier people! It's not a coincidence.
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Post by mrcoke on May 19, 2021 9:56:32 GMT
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