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Post by 3putts on Dec 14, 2019 0:33:27 GMT
Labour have been wank and done nothing for this city for at least as long as I can remember. They've had no incentive to because it's always been taken for granted; precisely due to this baffling, outdated and self-defeating "pits pots steel dad grandad" mentality. Equally, no other party could be arsed to even bother campaigning because of this stupid obsession. The Tories may not be any better but I'm delighted the City has for once decided to break this stupid cycle. Parties will actually have to do something here to earn future votes now. I must have been dreaming when we last had a Labour government didn't we get a brand new hospital built? As well as new schools and major construction on the d Road a50. Would any of this happened under the tories? I seriously doubt it. We would still be patching up the Hartshill orthapaedic. Look at all investment in North staffs it has all been backed with EU funds, this will be gone very soon. Tories are only ever interested in investing in their own back yard which is the south we will be left to rot Merry Xmas turkeys
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Dec 14, 2019 1:22:44 GMT
Don't forget the 'EU' grants is really taxpayers money that the EU keep 40% for themselves for their lavish salaries and pensions, and then give us a bit back and tell us how to spend it and put their name to it The government you put your faith in to to plough money into Stoke are the same government who has made Stoke an impoverished area in the first place and now you look for them to be your saviour. Regarding the amount of money we pay to the EU, well Stoke has had way more than 60% in return for the tax payers of Stoke its virtually balanced out even.The latest EU grant for us was a hundred and fifty two million pounds which was up for renewal next year. lets see what Johnson does. Nothing "made" Stoke an impoverished area, it's always been a filthy industrial Northern / Midland slum area of shitty Victorian terraced housing and supported by physically crippling, emotionally draining, back-breaking physical labour. Assuming you made it out of whatever hellish dystopian industry you were involuntarily flung into at age 14, you could be sure to die of pneumonoconiosis before you ever reached the biblical three score and ten. There's really some romanticised bollocks of the pre-Thatcher "glory days". Fuck me. Give me my office job over fucking myself up in some filthy fucking pit or destroying my shoulders hoisting saggars any day.
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 14, 2019 9:21:09 GMT
The government you put your faith in to to plough money into Stoke are the same government who has made Stoke an impoverished area in the first place and now you look for them to be your saviour. Regarding the amount of money we pay to the EU, well Stoke has had way more than 60% in return for the tax payers of Stoke its virtually balanced out even.The latest EU grant for us was a hundred and fifty two million pounds which was up for renewal next year. lets see what Johnson does. Nothing "made" Stoke an impoverished area, it's always been a filthy industrial Northern / Midland slum area of shitty Victorian terraced housing and supported by physically crippling, emotionally draining, back-breaking physical labour. Assuming you made it out of whatever hellish dystopian industry you were involuntarily flung into at age 14, you could be sure to die of pneumonoconiosis before you ever reached the biblical three score and ten. There's really some romanticised bollocks of the pre-Thatcher "glory days". Fuck me. Give me my office job over fucking myself up in some filthy fucking pit or destroying my shoulders hoisting saggars any day. The local MPs' political party may change but not a lot else: ...."Staffordshire in 1086 was poor, underdeveloped and backward, characterized by a small population, low values and a large number of derelict estates".....Reference: hydra.hull.ac.uk › assets › hull:519 › content www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=18&ved=2ahUKEwiL3ouq5bTmAhXGgVwKHYyuDsEQFjARegQIBxAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fhydra.hull.ac.uk%2Fassets%2Fhull%3A519%2Fcontent&usg=AOvVaw3a3zS1hSZDh25p0HRaZAit
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Post by crowey on Dec 14, 2019 10:17:05 GMT
Never thought the people would be desperate to appoint a proven liar, cheat, philandering buffoon as their PM....staggering. ..... you mean like Winston Churchill?
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Dec 14, 2019 10:44:48 GMT
I'm deeply ashamed of the people of Stoke On Trent. I come from an era when the city consisted of hard working men and women who worked in industries such as the potteries, mining and steel and where people knew where their best interests were served. Now, despite 10 years of stagnation and decline under the Tories the pig ignorant mugs have signed the death warrant for the public services they rely on. You have betrayed the heritage of our great grandparents and the future of our children and grand children. "pig ignorant mugs" Is that going to be your campaign slogan in 2024?
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Post by mattyd on Dec 14, 2019 10:52:14 GMT
Labour have been wank and done nothing for this city for at least as long as I can remember. They've had no incentive to because it's always been taken for granted; precisely due to this baffling, outdated and self-defeating "pits pots steel dad grandad" mentality. Equally, no other party could be arsed to even bother campaigning because of this stupid obsession. The Tories may not be any better but I'm delighted the City has for once decided to break this stupid cycle. Parties will actually have to do something here to earn future votes now. I must have been dreaming when we last had a Labour government didn't we get a brand new hospital built? As well as new schools and major construction on the d Road a50. Would any of this happened under the tories? I seriously doubt it. We would still be patching up the Hartshill orthapaedic. Look at all investment in North staffs it has all been backed with EU funds, this will be gone very soon. Tories are only ever interested in investing in their own back yard which is the south we will be left to rot Merry Xmas turkeys Welcome back 3P. You do raise some good points, but I hope, as do people up an down the country, that this demographic shift to The Tories will drive home the importance of a fairer spread of investments. After all, post Brexit in 2024 if they fail to deliver on their promises they will be well and truly out on their arses. Having Tories in SoT and The Industrial North must be good for all involved.
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 14, 2019 10:58:18 GMT
Nothing "made" Stoke an impoverished area, it's always been a filthy industrial Northern / Midland slum area of shitty Victorian terraced housing and supported by physically crippling, emotionally draining, back-breaking physical labour. Assuming you made it out of whatever hellish dystopian industry you were involuntarily flung into at age 14, you could be sure to die of pneumonoconiosis before you ever reached the biblical three score and ten. There's really some romanticised bollocks of the pre-Thatcher "glory days". Fuck me. Give me my office job over fucking myself up in some filthy fucking pit or destroying my shoulders hoisting saggars any day. The local MPs' political party may change but not a lot else: ...."Staffordshire in 1086 was poor, underdeveloped and backward, characterized by a small population, low values and a large number of derelict estates".....Reference: hydra.hull.ac.uk › assets › hull:519 › content www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=18&ved=2ahUKEwiL3ouq5bTmAhXGgVwKHYyuDsEQFjARegQIBxAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fhydra.hull.ac.uk%2Fassets%2Fhull%3A519%2Fcontent&usg=AOvVaw3a3zS1hSZDh25p0HRaZAitWe got £@#&ed over even then by William the Bastard, for staging a revolt. Bastard came & slaughtered us & salted our land. Bastard
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Post by 3putts on Dec 14, 2019 12:29:24 GMT
I must have been dreaming when we last had a Labour government didn't we get a brand new hospital built? As well as new schools and major construction on the d Road a50. Would any of this happened under the tories? I seriously doubt it. We would still be patching up the Hartshill orthapaedic. Look at all investment in North staffs it has all been backed with EU funds, this will be gone very soon. Tories are only ever interested in investing in their own back yard which is the south we will be left to rot Merry Xmas turkeys Welcome back 3P. You do raise some good points, but I hope, as do people up an down the country, that this demographic shift to The Tories will drive home the importance of a fairer spread of investments. After all, post Brexit in 2024 if they fail to deliver on their promises they will be well and truly out on their arses. Having Tories in SoT and The Industrial North must be good for all involved. Hey Mr t are you coming back to Los? It's not snowing here Re tories a leopard doesn't change its spots, despite borises spending splurge which we all know was bullshit very little investment will find its way north of Watford, and once we have paid for hs2 the pot will be empty. National debt has tripled under the tories despite their promises to bring it down. Still they have to find the money from somewhere to reward their backers. And then we have brexit. Good job I'm all right jack Merry xmas
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 14, 2019 12:32:37 GMT
Labour have been wank and done nothing for this city for at least as long as I can remember. They've had no incentive to because it's always been taken for granted; precisely due to this baffling, outdated and self-defeating "pits pots steel dad grandad" mentality. Equally, no other party could be arsed to even bother campaigning because of this stupid obsession. The Tories may not be any better but I'm delighted the City has for once decided to break this stupid cycle. Parties will actually have to do something here to earn future votes now. I must have been dreaming when we last had a Labour government didn't we get a brand new hospital built? As well as new schools and major construction on the d Road a50. Would any of this happened under the tories? I seriously doubt it. We would still be patching up the Hartshill orthapaedic. Look at all investment in North staffs it has all been backed with EU funds, this will be gone very soon. Tories are only ever interested in investing in their own back yard which is the south we will be left to rot Merry Xmas turkeys Labour spent the money the Tories have had to pay for it same as always.
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Post by 3putts on Dec 14, 2019 12:55:17 GMT
I must have been dreaming when we last had a Labour government didn't we get a brand new hospital built? As well as new schools and major construction on the d Road a50. Would any of this happened under the tories? I seriously doubt it. We would still be patching up the Hartshill orthapaedic. Look at all investment in North staffs it has all been backed with EU funds, this will be gone very soon. Tories are only ever interested in investing in their own back yard which is the south we will be left to rot Merry Xmas turkeys Labour spent the money the Tories have had to pay for it same as always. Bastards them labour guys building new hospitals to replace those that were falling down not to mention the schools that needed to be built. It was Labour who caused the world wide recession don't you know
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Post by iancransonsknees on Dec 14, 2019 13:46:31 GMT
Labour spent the money the Tories have had to pay for it same as always. Bastards them labour guys building new hospitals to replace those that were falling down not to mention the schools that needed to be built. It was Labour who caused the world wide recession don't you know P. F. Motherfucking I! The labour party equivalent of Brighthouse and Wonga rolled into one. But please feel free to congratulate them on their hoodwinking tactics. £75 to change a light bulb? Certainly sir. 25 years useable lifespan, of course we can do that. Bleed the system dry in the name of dodgy investment made by labour backers under Blair and Brown, of course your contribution to the labour party cause will have a return. Don't start me on the corruption that was EAGA and warmfront grants conducted by the North Eastern labour safe seat cartels.
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Post by 3putts on Dec 14, 2019 14:13:40 GMT
Bastards them labour guys building new hospitals to replace those that were falling down not to mention the schools that needed to be built. It was Labour who caused the world wide recession don't you know P. F. Motherfucking I! The labour party equivalent of Brighthouse and Wonga rolled into one. But please feel free to congratulate them on their hoodwinking tactics. £75 to change a light bulb? Certainly sir. 25 years useable lifespan, of course we can do that. Bleed the system dry in the name of dodgy investment made by labour backers under Blair and Brown, of course your contribution to the labour party cause will have a return. Don't start me on the corruption that was EAGA and warmfront grants conducted by the North Eastern labour safe seat cartels. If you want to talk about corruption have a look at tory backers fill your boots
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Post by salopstick on Dec 14, 2019 14:15:51 GMT
Bastards them labour guys building new hospitals to replace those that were falling down not to mention the schools that needed to be built. It was Labour who caused the world wide recession don't you know P. F. Motherfucking I! The labour party equivalent of Brighthouse and Wonga rolled into one. But please feel free to congratulate them on their hoodwinking tactics. £75 to change a light bulb? Certainly sir. 25 years useable lifespan, of course we can do that. Bleed the system dry in the name of dodgy investment made by labour backers under Blair and Brown, of course your contribution to the labour party cause will have a return. Don't start me on the corruption that was EAGA and warmfront grants conducted by the North Eastern labour safe seat cartels. It’s the unanswered question on most political threads on here for years What did labour really do for stoke on Trent apart from accept the vote. Never really answered because it seems “not a lot” Nothing wrong with having a 5 year experiment to see if the tories can make a difference. The alternative was 5 more of the same
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Post by mattyd on Dec 14, 2019 22:14:21 GMT
Welcome back 3P. You do raise some good points, but I hope, as do people up an down the country, that this demographic shift to The Tories will drive home the importance of a fairer spread of investments. After all, post Brexit in 2024 if they fail to deliver on their promises they will be well and truly out on their arses. Having Tories in SoT and The Industrial North must be good for all involved. Hey Mr t are you coming back to Los? It's not snowing here Re tories a leopard doesn't change its spots, despite borises spending splurge which we all know was bullshit very little investment will find its way north of Watford, and once we have paid for hs2 the pot will be empty. National debt has tripled under the tories despite their promises to bring it down. Still they have to find the money from somewhere to reward their backers. And then we have brexit. Good job I'm all right jack Merry xmas Be there for Songkran next year.
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Post by 3putts on Dec 15, 2019 4:06:16 GMT
Hey Mr t are you coming back to Los? It's not snowing here Re tories a leopard doesn't change its spots, despite borises spending splurge which we all know was bullshit very little investment will find its way north of Watford, and once we have paid for hs2 the pot will be empty. National debt has tripled under the tories despite their promises to bring it down. Still they have to find the money from somewhere to reward their backers. And then we have brexit. Good job I'm all right jack Merry xmas Be there for Songkran next year. I will be back in the UK then, so we will both be getting wet but one of us will be cold as well
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Dec 15, 2019 7:31:08 GMT
Princess on the steeple and all the pretty people They're drinkin', thinkin' that they got it made Exchanging all kinds of precious gifts and things But you'd better lift your diamond ring, you'd better pawn it babe You used to be so amused At Napoleon in rags and the language that he used Go to him now, he calls you, you can't refuse When you ain't got nothing, you got nothing to lose You're invisible now, you got no secrets to conceal.
B Dylan
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Post by Northy on Dec 15, 2019 19:07:14 GMT
Don't forget the 'EU' grants is really taxpayers money that the EU keep 40% for themselves for their lavish salaries and pensions, and then give us a bit back and tell us how to spend it and put their name to it The government you put your faith in to to plough money into Stoke are the same government who has made Stoke an impoverished area in the first place and now you look for them to be your saviour. Regarding the amount of money we pay to the EU, well Stoke has had way more than 60% in return for the tax payers of Stoke its virtually balanced out even.The latest EU grant for us was a hundred and fifty two million pounds which was up for renewal next year. lets see what Johnson does. As we've said before, all governments over many years have made Stoke an impoverished area, you seem to have tunnel vision of Labour government who, for 13 years lost more manufacturing jobs lost than 19 years of previous Tories, and a Labour council running it for a long time when the money times were better, £15m overspent from £4.7m for a bit of block paving and a few signs saying 'cultural quarter' whilst taking exceptional hospitality greed and incompetence - www.theguardian.com/society/2004/jan/22/localgovernment.politics
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 16, 2019 8:48:36 GMT
The government you put your faith in to to plough money into Stoke are the same government who has made Stoke an impoverished area in the first place and now you look for them to be your saviour. Regarding the amount of money we pay to the EU, well Stoke has had way more than 60% in return for the tax payers of Stoke its virtually balanced out even.The latest EU grant for us was a hundred and fifty two million pounds which was up for renewal next year. lets see what Johnson does. As we've said before, all governments over many years have made Stoke an impoverished area, you seem to have tunnel vision of Labour government who, for 13 years lost more manufacturing jobs lost than 19 years of previous Tories, and a Labour council running it for a long time when the money times were better, £15m overspent from £4.7m for a bit of block paving and a few signs saying 'cultural quarter' whilst taking exceptional hospitality greed and incompetence - www.theguardian.com/society/2004/jan/22/localgovernment.politicsIf you are bringing up stories from sixteen years ago as defence for not voting Labour then there is no conversation.You are tory.
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Post by Northy on Dec 16, 2019 9:13:09 GMT
As we've said before, all governments over many years have made Stoke an impoverished area, you seem to have tunnel vision of Labour government who, for 13 years lost more manufacturing jobs lost than 19 years of previous Tories, and a Labour council running it for a long time when the money times were better, £15m overspent from £4.7m for a bit of block paving and a few signs saying 'cultural quarter' whilst taking exceptional hospitality greed and incompetence - www.theguardian.com/society/2004/jan/22/localgovernment.politicsIf you are bringing up stories from sixteen years ago as defence for not voting Labour then there is no conversation.You are tory. You seem to twist every answer, I'm just giving you facts to show your blinkered vision, who says I voted Tory, I haven't, just couldn't stand voting for Labour or the other anti democratics.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Dec 16, 2019 9:45:38 GMT
Parachuting in a union rep from Manchester Maomentum didn't work. Who knew?
7,000 majority for Aaron in NuL.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 11:06:28 GMT
I didn’t vote Tory. I don’t like them and I definitely don’t trust them, and I don’t want “blood on my hands” should those suspicions turn out to be fully justified.
However, I think there’s a stunning irony and just total lack of self-awareness being displayed by many of those expressing devastation at this result.
Whilst this is just based on observation so could be off, it seems to me that the proportion of anti-Brexit types on this forum who actually still live in the potteries is much lower than the proportion of brexiteers who do. It also seems that the remainers are the people most forthcoming in their denigration of Stoke-On-Trent. (As well as the country)
So when you consider Labour have held power in this city (effectively) forever, and that the people most devastated at this result are also those least likely to still live here / most likely to say what a backwards shit hole stoke is, then I think it’s bordering on retarded to then be so shocked and outraged at the people of Stoke-On-Trent actually kicking labour out of local government and giving a different party the opportunity to do a better job.
I know this is all about Brexit, but really the voters of stoke should’ve decided Labour were failing them and that a change of direction was in order much sooner than this.
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Post by cooper67 on Dec 16, 2019 11:35:31 GMT
I live in Stoke Central. Have done for the last 13 years on the main road in Bucknall. My polling station is 50 yards away on the other side of the road. The amount of times a candidate or one of their staff has knocked on my door? None. Same for my parents who live on the old high street in Bucknall. The next time I hear Gareth Snell talk about apathy amongst Labour voters I hope he remembers this!
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Post by nott1 on Dec 16, 2019 12:14:37 GMT
P. F. Motherfucking I! The labour party equivalent of Brighthouse and Wonga rolled into one. But please feel free to congratulate them on their hoodwinking tactics. £75 to change a light bulb? Certainly sir. 25 years useable lifespan, of course we can do that. Bleed the system dry in the name of dodgy investment made by labour backers under Blair and Brown, of course your contribution to the labour party cause will have a return. Don't start me on the corruption that was EAGA and warmfront grants conducted by the North Eastern labour safe seat cartels. It’s the unanswered question on most political threads on here for years What did labour really do for stoke on Trent apart from accept the vote. Never really answered because it seems “not a lot” Nothing wrong with having a 5 year experiment to see if the tories can make a difference. The alternative was 5 more of the same Don't hold your breath that they will be any different, and they won't even have any EU money to spend on the infrastructure projects so sorely needed in areas like SOT. Nothing will be done for the next five years I imagine!
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Post by felonious on Dec 16, 2019 13:21:31 GMT
I live in Stoke Central. Have done for the last 13 years on the main road in Bucknall. My polling station is 50 yards away on the other side of the road. The amount of times a candidate or one of their staff has knocked on my door? None. Same for my parents who live on the old high street in Bucknall. The next time I hear Gareth Snell talk about apathy amongst Labour voters I hope he remembers this! It's called being taken for granted.
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Post by elystokie on Dec 16, 2019 15:17:52 GMT
It’s the unanswered question on most political threads on here for years What did labour really do for stoke on Trent apart from accept the vote. Never really answered because it seems “not a lot” Nothing wrong with having a 5 year experiment to see if the tories can make a difference. The alternative was 5 more of the same Don't hold your breath that they will be any different, and they won't even have any EU money to spend on the infrastructure projects so sorely needed in areas like SOT. Nothing will be done for the next five years I imagine! Then they probably won't get in again, I suspect they're well aware they won't get too many bites at this particular cherry. If they are then they have to do a decent job, surely?
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 16, 2019 15:40:34 GMT
P. F. Motherfucking I! The labour party equivalent of Brighthouse and Wonga rolled into one. But please feel free to congratulate them on their hoodwinking tactics. £75 to change a light bulb? Certainly sir. 25 years useable lifespan, of course we can do that. Bleed the system dry in the name of dodgy investment made by labour backers under Blair and Brown, of course your contribution to the labour party cause will have a return. Don't start me on the corruption that was EAGA and warmfront grants conducted by the North Eastern labour safe seat cartels. It’s the unanswered question on most political threads on here for years What did labour really do for stoke on Trent apart from accept the vote. Never really answered because it seems “not a lot” Nothing wrong with having a 5 year experiment to see if the tories can make a difference. The alternative was 5 more of the same "Nothing wrong with having a 5 year experiment to see if the tories can make a difference. The alternative was 5 more of the same" Havent the tories been in control in Stoke the last few years ?And we have had a tory government for the past nine unless Im mistaken. Baffling sentence.You have got exactly what you said you didnt want.Five more years of the same.
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Post by cooper67 on Dec 16, 2019 18:23:42 GMT
I live in Stoke Central. Have done for the last 13 years on the main road in Bucknall. My polling station is 50 yards away on the other side of the road. The amount of times a candidate or one of their staff has knocked on my door? None. Same for my parents who live on the old high street in Bucknall. The next time I hear Gareth Snell talk about apathy amongst Labour voters I hope he remembers this! It's called being taken for granted. Hence why I posted it. My parents have lived in the same house for 50 years.
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Post by cooper67 on Dec 16, 2019 18:28:29 GMT
It’s the unanswered question on most political threads on here for years What did labour really do for stoke on Trent apart from accept the vote. Never really answered because it seems “not a lot” Nothing wrong with having a 5 year experiment to see if the tories can make a difference. The alternative was 5 more of the same "Nothing wrong with having a 5 year experiment to see if the tories can make a difference. The alternative was 5 more of the same" Havent the tories been in control in Stoke the last few years ?And we have had a tory government for the past nine unless Im mistaken. Baffling sentence.You have got exactly what you said you didnt want.Five more years of the same. I don't believe Salop lives in Stoke?
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Post by salopstick on Dec 16, 2019 18:48:09 GMT
"Nothing wrong with having a 5 year experiment to see if the tories can make a difference. The alternative was 5 more of the same" Havent the tories been in control in Stoke the last few years ?And we have had a tory government for the past nine unless Im mistaken. Baffling sentence.You have got exactly what you said you didnt want.Five more years of the same. I don't believe Salop lives in Stoke? I dont but I’m pretty sure that a Tory government normally could not give two shits about labour constituencies that they would never win. I’m also pretty sure that labour governments concentrated more on their marginals than their safe seats My point now is that the game has changed. If the tories want to stay in these new seats they have a chance to keep a whole new electorate. If they don’t they lose them for ever. These people won’t quiver over a Tory box again The ball is in The Tory’s court
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 16, 2019 18:53:49 GMT
I don't believe Salop lives in Stoke? I dont but I’m pretty sure that a Tory government normally could not give two shits about labour constituencies that they would never win. I’m also pretty sure that labour governments concentrated more on their marginals than their safe seats My point now is that the game has changed. If the tories want to stay in these new seats they have a chance to keep a whole new electorate. If they don’t they lose them for ever. These people won’t quiver over a Tory box again The ball is in The Tory’s court To quote your hero,”That’s a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma“
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