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Post by henry on Dec 21, 2019 9:20:09 GMT
Jewish families were preparing to leave the county had Corbyn been elected. Don't take my word for it, ask the former Labour MP Ruth Smeeth.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 21, 2019 9:23:21 GMT
Jewish families were preparing to leave the county had Corbyn been elected. Don't take my word for it, ask the former Labour MP Ruth Smeeth. I wouldn't believe Smeeth if she told me it was Saturday. Some Muslims are petrified of this racist cunt and his intolerant privileged views. They don't count though for most in this country do they?
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Post by henry on Dec 21, 2019 9:24:35 GMT
Jewish families were preparing to leave the county had Corbyn been elected. Don't take my word for it, ask the former Labour MP Ruth Smeeth. I wouldn't believe Smeeth if she told me it was Saturday. Some Muslims are petrified of this racist cunt and his intolerant privileged views. They don't count though for most in this country do they? Why ?
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Post by serpico on Dec 21, 2019 9:27:05 GMT
Jewish families were preparing to leave the county had Corbyn been elected. Don't take my word for it, ask the former Labour MP Ruth Smeeth. I don’t really see why they’d have to move, what were they expecting to happen if Corbyn had got into power ? That he would build camps and get the trains rolling ? ... I don’t like Corbyn but I found the whole anti Semitic stuff a bit OTT, yes some labour members said some idiotic things but it was just bravado and stupidity, does anyone really think labour would have discriminated against Jews had they got into power ?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 21, 2019 9:27:50 GMT
I wouldn't believe Smeeth if she told me it was Saturday. Some Muslims are petrified of this racist cunt and his intolerant privileged views. They don't count though for most in this country do they? Why ? I think she was a very poor politician and a hypocrite. More faces than a church clock on Brexit and basically a Tory enabler.
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Post by henry on Dec 21, 2019 9:30:07 GMT
I think she was a very poor politician and a hypocrite. More faces than a church clock on Brexit and basically a Tory enabler. So the people of Stoke north were correct in not voting for her then ?
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Post by henry on Dec 21, 2019 9:31:56 GMT
Jewish families were preparing to leave the county had Corbyn been elected. Don't take my word for it, ask the former Labour MP Ruth Smeeth. I don’t really see why they’d have to move, what were they expecting to happen if Corbyn had got into power ? That he would build camps and get the trains rolling ? ... I don’t like Corbyn but I found the whole anti Semitic stuff a bit OTT, yes some labour members said some idiotic things but it was just bravado and stupidity, does anyone really think labour would have discriminated against Jews had they got into power ? I totally agree Serpico.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Dec 21, 2019 9:33:22 GMT
Very statesmanlike performances from Boris over the last few days. Reaching out across the divides and avoiding any extreme triumphalism. Says he wants to heal - he's the gangrene in the nation's wounds.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 21, 2019 9:34:23 GMT
I think she was a very poor politician and a hypocrite. More faces than a church clock on Brexit and basically a Tory enabler. So the people of Stoke north were correct in not voting for her then ? Up to them. They really will regret voting Tory though.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 21, 2019 9:35:01 GMT
Very statesmanlike performances from Boris over the last few days. Reaching out across the divides and avoiding any extreme triumphalism. Says he wants to heal - he's the gangrene in the nation's wounds. Why is he? What's he done now?
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 21, 2019 9:40:58 GMT
Jewish families were preparing to leave the county had Corbyn been elected. Don't take my word for it, ask the former Labour MP Ruth Smeeth. I don’t really see why they’d have to move, what were they expecting to happen if Corbyn had got into power ? That he would build camps and get the trains rolling ? ... I don’t like Corbyn but I found the whole anti Semitic stuff a bit OTT, yes some labour members said some idiotic things but it was just bravado and stupidity, does anyone really think labour would have discriminated against Jews had they got into power ? Agree completely. IMO - the anti-semitism charge against Corbyn was motivated by geopolitics - specifically the possibility of Corbyn’s Government voting against Israel in UN resolutions as opposed to abstaining which could see other countries, particularly Western ones, following suit. This could see Israel act with more restraint against the Palestinians and in the Lebanon where, as we have seen, Israel likes to operate with a free (and brutal) hand. I’ll add that I think the Islamophobia charges against the Tories are even more bogus and primarily a distraction tactic employed by Labour. Both parties need to reign in the sectarian cards they have been playing.
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Post by henry on Dec 21, 2019 9:41:37 GMT
So the people of Stoke north were correct in not voting for her then ? Up to them. They really will regret voting Tory though. Possibly they will, but its an unknown. If the city see's investment and regeneration then they won't regret it. The new bloke is already talking of regenerating Chatterley Whitfield and creating "tech" jobs. It's a change from the constant "poverty, food banks, starving kids, poverty, food banks" that came out of Smeeth's gob. Only time will tell, but, the cycle needed to be broken though.
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 21, 2019 9:42:11 GMT
Says he wants to heal - he's the gangrene in the nation's wounds. Why is he? What's he done now? He’s done nothing yet. But, haters gotta hate, hate, hate, hate, hate.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Dec 21, 2019 9:48:04 GMT
Says he wants to heal - he's the gangrene in the nation's wounds. Why is he? What's he done now? He is at the very heart of the division in this country. He might have 45% of the vote but he is despised by many of the rest for all that he has said and done over the years. Some people might get excited by the self=serving cunt's talk of a great new future for the UK but I just see him and the appalling rabble surrounding him making things worse.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 21, 2019 9:54:59 GMT
Why is he? What's he done now? He is at the very heart of the division in this country. He might have 45% of the vote but he is despised by many of the rest for all that he has said and done over the years. Some people might get excited by the self=serving cunt's talk of a great new future for the UK but I just see him and the appalling rabble surrounding him making things worse. I don't get the impression that most of the country agree with you. Perhaps it's you? There does seem to be an air of positivity and " thank god that's over" about part one of the Brexit saga. As has happened many times in the past he is a party leader whose party has won a general election.... just about a week ago..... he has actually seemed to have had a big effect on mood. I'm not sure what effect a Corbyn landslide would have had....but at least he would have had a mandate so should have been given a chance. Under Corbyn there would still have been poverty, victims, division but perhaps with less hope. Cheer up, the worst hasn't happened yet. My mother used to say " Don't meet trouble half way".... does anyone know if that is a national, Stoke or just my mum's saying?
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Dec 21, 2019 10:07:00 GMT
He is at the very heart of the division in this country. He might have 45% of the vote but he is despised by many of the rest for all that he has said and done over the years. Some people might get excited by the self=serving cunt's talk of a great new future for the UK but I just see him and the appalling rabble surrounding him making things worse. I don't get the impression that most of the country agree with you. Perhaps it's you? There does seem to be an air of positivity and " thank god that's over" about part one of the Brexit saga. As has happened many times in the past he is a party leader whose party has won a general election.... just about a week ago..... he has actually seemed to have had a big effect on mood. I'm not sure what effect a Corbyn landslide would have had....but at least he would have had a mandate so should have been given a chance. Under Corbyn there would still have been poverty, victims, division but perhaps with less hope Maybe it is me but I don't get this sense of positivity that Brexit supporters are inevitably getting. Some people thought that Saido Berahino was a good guy at heart and just needed a chance. Some people think the same about Johnson. Truth is he lies and lies and lies. If people think that somehow an election victory justifies wiping the slate clean and the bad guys become the good guys I ask them that if Corbyn had won , how many believing Corbyn is the devil incarnate would have been on here saying let's just give him a chance now. I know I would still see Corbyn as a twat , just a slightly lesser one than Johnson.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 21, 2019 10:20:46 GMT
I don't get the impression that most of the country agree with you. Perhaps it's you? There does seem to be an air of positivity and " thank god that's over" about part one of the Brexit saga. As has happened many times in the past he is a party leader whose party has won a general election.... just about a week ago..... he has actually seemed to have had a big effect on mood. I'm not sure what effect a Corbyn landslide would have had....but at least he would have had a mandate so should have been given a chance. Under Corbyn there would still have been poverty, victims, division but perhaps with less hope Maybe it is me but I don't get this sense of positivity that Brexit supporters are inevitably getting. Some people thought that Saido Berahino was a good guy at heart and just needed a chance. Some people think the same about Johnson. Truth is he lies and lies and lies. If people think that somehow an election victory justifies wiping the slate clean and the bad guys become the good guys I ask them that if Corbyn had won , how many believing Corbyn is the devil incarnate would have been on here saying let's just give him a chance now. I know I would still see Corbyn as a twat , just a slightly lesser one than Johnson. If Corbyn had won then we should have given him a chance. Who knows he might have surprised a few people including me... and if he had done Id have been pleased to have been proven wrong....it would have been good for the country and good for people. I'm not necessarily a Boris fan, it will depend upon where he goes with BREXIT for me, but your blind hatred seems a bit pointless. He has not had a chance to do anything yet but the margin of his majority is one thing that I believe has ' calmed people down" a bit ....it gives a bit of certainty and direction after 3 years of infighting, stagnation, disillusionment and dishonesty. I think that those who keep doing as you do , constantly moaning when nothing has happened yet are more akin to a " gangrene". Positivity and belief are important in success , be it business, national, personal, football or warfare.... it's a starting point and Corbyn did not even get off the blocks. Do you hope that Johnson fails so that you are proved correct?
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Post by serpico on Dec 21, 2019 10:22:06 GMT
I don't get the impression that most of the country agree with you. Perhaps it's you? There does seem to be an air of positivity and " thank god that's over" about part one of the Brexit saga. As has happened many times in the past he is a party leader whose party has won a general election.... just about a week ago..... he has actually seemed to have had a big effect on mood. I'm not sure what effect a Corbyn landslide would have had....but at least he would have had a mandate so should have been given a chance. Under Corbyn there would still have been poverty, victims, division but perhaps with less hope Maybe it is me but I don't get this sense of positivity that Brexit supporters are inevitably getting. Some people thought that Saido Berahino was a good guy at heart and just needed a chance. Some people think the same about Johnson. Truth is he lies and lies and lies. If people think that somehow an election victory justifies wiping the slate clean and the bad guys become the good guys I ask them that if Corbyn had won , how many believing Corbyn is the devil incarnate would have been on here saying let's just give him a chance now. I know I would still see Corbyn as a twat , just a slightly lesser one than Johnson. I think the sense of positivity is born out of the fact the brexit deadlock is broken, even people who voted remain just want to get on with it, whether you think its good or bad at least something is now going to actually happen. i don't see Johnson as an aberration with regards lying, they all lie.
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 21, 2019 10:28:15 GMT
Maybe it is me but I don't get this sense of positivity that Brexit supporters are inevitably getting. Some people thought that Saido Berahino was a good guy at heart and just needed a chance. Some people think the same about Johnson. Truth is he lies and lies and lies. If people think that somehow an election victory justifies wiping the slate clean and the bad guys become the good guys I ask them that if Corbyn had won , how many believing Corbyn is the devil incarnate would have been on here saying let's just give him a chance now. I know I would still see Corbyn as a twat , just a slightly lesser one than Johnson. I think the sense of positivity is born out of the fact the brexit deadlock is broken, even people who voted remain just want to get on with it, whether you think its good or bad at least something is now going to actually happen. i don't see Johnson as an aberration with regards lying, they all lie. Seems clear to me the winners are feeling positive, the losers anything but. Leastways regarding those expressing an opinion. The great mass of the public meanwhile get on with their lives. Same as it ever was!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 21, 2019 10:39:43 GMT
I don’t really see why they’d have to move, what were they expecting to happen if Corbyn had got into power ? That he would build camps and get the trains rolling ? ... I don’t like Corbyn but I found the whole anti Semitic stuff a bit OTT, yes some labour members said some idiotic things but it was just bravado and stupidity, does anyone really think labour would have discriminated against Jews had they got into power ? Agree completely. IMO - the anti-semitism charge against Corbyn was motivated by geopolitics - specifically the possibility of Corbyn’s Government voting against Israel in UN resolutions as opposed to abstaining which could see other countries, particularly Western ones, following suit. This could see Israel act with more restraint against the Palestinians and in the Lebanon where, as we have seen, Israel likes to operate with a free (and brutal) hand. I’ll add that I think the Islamophobia charges against the Tories are even more bogus and primarily a distraction tactic employed by Labour. Both parties need to reign in the sectarian cards they have been playing. There is a genuine fear amongst some in the Muslim community of emboldenment. Some of the more unsavoury elements in society feel this new administration and its 'ill judged' and careless talk legitimises their hate. Whether or not that's true, I don't know but the fear is there for certain.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Dec 21, 2019 10:42:05 GMT
Maybe it is me but I don't get this sense of positivity that Brexit supporters are inevitably getting. Some people thought that Saido Berahino was a good guy at heart and just needed a chance. Some people think the same about Johnson. Truth is he lies and lies and lies. If people think that somehow an election victory justifies wiping the slate clean and the bad guys become the good guys I ask them that if Corbyn had won , how many believing Corbyn is the devil incarnate would have been on here saying let's just give him a chance now. I know I would still see Corbyn as a twat , just a slightly lesser one than Johnson. Do you hope that Johnson fails so that you are proved correct? No . I want to be proven wrong and the UK to be successful and not the place it is today that Johnson has been instrumental in shaping.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 21, 2019 10:51:42 GMT
Do you hope that Johnson fails so that you are proved correct? No . I want to be proven wrong and the UK to be successful and not the place it is today that Johnson has been instrumental in shaping.
Aye get the man before he has started. Most of the political class are instrumental in getting us where we are today aided and abetted by the media other establishment players, the failure of the Labour party. Not blaming them but we have also been in the EU for 40 years...and that is part of where we are today that many of us are not happy with. Johnson is at least trying to give some hope for the future. The referendum was meant to decide for a generation the direction of the UK in respect of self governance and the EU. Because some people could not accept the result we have had three and a half wasted years of nasty wrangling and moaning. Now we have had an election. Another traditional turning point. It seems again that some people who can't accept the result simply turn to moaning. This then can gain encouragement and momentum from others. Arguments then develop as to why the result should not be respected......... It's regional, there were lies. Not my prime minister. Boris is evil. Armageddon is around the corner., changed my mind. Where is the hatred coming from nowadays? Hope not Hate?... that's a good Idea! Social media has a lot to answer for....all is not positive.. You can't always get what you want....
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Post by serpico on Dec 21, 2019 10:57:52 GMT
the remainers only have themselves to blame for the rise of Johnson, they're going to have to eat shit for a few years, its what you get for playing silly buggers over brexit.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 21, 2019 11:01:11 GMT
No . I want to be proven wrong and the UK to be successful and not the place it is today that Johnson has been instrumental in shaping.
Aye get the man before he has started. Most of the political class are instrumental in getting us where we are today aided and abetted by the media other establishment players, the failure of the Labour party. Not blaming them but we have also been in the EU for 40 years...and that is part of where we are today that many of us are not happy with. Johnson is at least trying to give some hope for the future. The referendum was meant to decide for a generation the direction of the UK in respect of self governance and the EU. Because some people could not accept the result we have had three and a half wasted years of nasty wrangling and moaning. Now we have had an election. Another traditional turning point. It seems again that some people who can't accept the result simply turn to moaning. This then can gain encouragement and momentum from others. Arguments then develop as to why the result should not be respected......... It's regional, there were lies. Not my prime minister. Boris is evil. Armageddon is around the corner., changed my mind. Where is the hatred coming from nowadays? Hope not Hate?... that's a good Idea! Social media has a lot to answer for....all is not positive.. You don't always get what you want.... Can you point me towards any hope whatsoever in this Queens Speech? It's just more of the same, the same winners and losers. Except the losers get their nose rubbed in it with a bonfire of workers rights. The basic human right to strike being threatened, the constitution being rigged. Nothing on homelessness, nothing on in or out of work poverty, nothing on tax avoidance and evasion of high net worth individuals or corporations. Enjoy your blue passport though, that will keep you warm at night.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 21, 2019 11:14:25 GMT
Aye get the man before he has started. Most of the political class are instrumental in getting us where we are today aided and abetted by the media other establishment players, the failure of the Labour party. Not blaming them but we have also been in the EU for 40 years...and that is part of where we are today that many of us are not happy with. Johnson is at least trying to give some hope for the future. The referendum was meant to decide for a generation the direction of the UK in respect of self governance and the EU. Because some people could not accept the result we have had three and a half wasted years of nasty wrangling and moaning. Now we have had an election. Another traditional turning point. It seems again that some people who can't accept the result simply turn to moaning. This then can gain encouragement and momentum from others. Arguments then develop as to why the result should not be respected......... It's regional, there were lies. Not my prime minister. Boris is evil. Armageddon is around the corner., changed my mind. Where is the hatred coming from nowadays? Hope not Hate?... that's a good Idea! Social media has a lot to answer for....all is not positive.. You don't always get what you want.... Can you point me towards any hope whatsoever in this Queens Speech? It's just more of the same, the same winners and losers. Except the losers get their nose rubbed in it with a bonfire of workers rights. The basic human right to strike being threatened, the constitution being rigged. Nothing on homelessness, nothing on in or out of work poverty, nothing on tax avoidance and evasion of high net worth individuals or corporations. Enjoy your blue passport though, that will keep you warm at night. What I am saying Sheikh is that people are doing a lot of moaning after a result that they don't like. And that Boris has only effectively been in post for a week. Those who can't accept that others may be thinking and voting differently are quick to be negative, quick yo judge and quick to be offended on behalf of others. BREXIT needed to be the priority in the manifesto...and it seems that the electorate put faith in the Tories to deliver and Labour weren't even at the races. It's always easy to take the moral high ground on behalf of the victims of society of course.... pragmatically nit getting BREXIT right and leadership has lost Labour of the opportunity to have a go themselves.... perhaps the Islington set are happy to moan from the side and not to have any responsibility....I think even I could do that Everything cannot go into a manifesto do there is always room for the other side to play the game and moan. I'm not too bothered about the colour of passports that Remainers seem so interested in but I suppose it is a symbol of UK independence do it's not a bad thing. Edit; it's interesting to look back at the comments/ predictions on this thread from the OP....In my opinion
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 21, 2019 12:26:24 GMT
the remainers only have themselves to blame for the rise of Johnson, they're going to have to eat shit for a few years, its what you get for playing silly buggers over brexit. Sarah Champion agrees.
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Post by salopstick on Dec 21, 2019 12:28:27 GMT
So I rang my brother up in Finland to say happy birthday and he immediately started having a go at me about Boris
I said you don’t even live in this country so fuck off
I then hung up
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 21, 2019 13:07:24 GMT
His deal was the one the EU offered May ages ago and she rejected as did he, describing it as something no UK PM could agree to. It was not a new deal. It was not even “his” deal. He tried to negotiate, got nowhere and then said, gove me whatever you will and the EU reverted to their previous position. He capitulated in the negotiations completely and utterly. Aye you can't trust these politicians. He's not doing so bad so far is he? He's not had much of a chance yet has he? Let's see what happens. I must admit I find the least honourable group at the moment to be the LibDems.... neither liberal nor democratic. I think Swinson argued for a referendum in 2016 ( on at least one occasion) and then didn't respect the result.( in favour of tuition fee rises I believe). I think that she supported Tory votes/ policies whilst in the coalition more often many Tories. An arrogant total hypocrite. Boris Johnson is ignoring the majority who voted for parties who want a second referendum. Swinson wants a democratic voting system. Johnson supports the system where he only needs 28000 votes per seat, whereas other parties need up to 600000 votes per seat. You are praising the political elite. The establishment. The eton bullingdon clubs of this world. I don’t think they should be able to take power easier than you or me for example. Our system allows that.
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 21, 2019 13:08:56 GMT
Says he wants to heal - he's the gangrene in the nation's wounds. Why is he? What's he done now? Every word that comes out of his mouth is a lie. That’s the main reason.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 21, 2019 13:11:31 GMT
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