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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Oct 14, 2019 21:09:06 GMT
If Farage would've accepted the result, was he bullshitting when he talked about unfinished business? I've just explained that...it is possible to accept a result, for that result to be implemented and then to continue to fight for what you believe in....it happens after most general elections Fair point. That's why I quite like Swinson - continued to fight for what she believed in. She probably aint going to win though, but fair play to her.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 14, 2019 21:10:31 GMT
I've just explained that...it is possible to accept a result, for that result to be implemented and then to continue to fight for what you believe in....it happens after most general elections Fair point. That's why I quite like Swinson - continued to fight for what she believed in. She probably aint going to win though, but fair play to her. Unfortunately she wants to prevent the democratic process. Bollox to the people.....very impressive on the world stage
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Oct 14, 2019 21:11:57 GMT
Fair point. That's why I quite like Swinson - continued to fight for what she believed in. She probably aint going to win though, but fair play to her. Unfortunately she wants to prevent the democratic process. Bollox to the people.....very impressive on the world stage She's part of the democratic process, so I doubt she wants to stop it. She'd have to shut down parliament to close down the democratic process, and last time I checked it wasn't her idea to do that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2019 21:12:29 GMT
I don't see it myself Rip, She has made her position clear. Unfortunately she has blatantly and arrogantly ignored the referendum result. Doesn't she have a vested interest in her husband , ex MP, having over a million pound EU funding for his business..... luckily she has the media on her side. I saw the media asking her some real difficult questions the other day - not so sure they're on her side. They grilled her on policy, Brexit plans etc. Really think there's an agenda against her from a lot of the media. Can't knock her for sticking to her principles. Must be the working class background coming shining through - we could do with a few more like her with a bit of backbone. Principles? She’s hoovering up any Tom, Dick or Harry from other parties irrespective of their values/voting record/policies. She bangs on about the environment whilst being funded by a fracker. She’s turned the Lib Dem’s into a single issue party, she’s more Tory than half of the current cabinet. Charles Kennedy would be turning in his grave.....
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 14, 2019 21:18:06 GMT
Unfortunately she wants to prevent the democratic process. Bollox to the people.....very impressive on the world stage She's part of the democratic process, so I doubt she wants to stop it. She'd have to shut down parliament to close down the democratic process, and last time I checked it wasn't her idea to do that. No but she is directly opposing the referendum result..... action which had brought us to where we are.... including the closing down of Parliament....not to mention the colluding with the German and French led EU.... inviting Verhofstadt to the Lib Dem conference wasn't particularly a good signal when the ' negotiations' have become tense between two groups at a juxtaposition..... whose side is she on ? ( and it is now a power battle with sides)
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Oct 14, 2019 21:21:23 GMT
She's part of the democratic process, so I doubt she wants to stop it. She'd have to shut down parliament to close down the democratic process, and last time I checked it wasn't her idea to do that. No but she is directly opposing the referendum result..... action which had brought us to where we are.... including the closing down of Parliament....not to mention the colluding with the German and French led EU.... inviting Verhofstadt to the Lib Dem conference wasn't particularly a good signal when the ' negotiations' have become tense between two groups at a juxtaposition..... whose side is she on ? ( and it is now a power battle with sides) Terrible attempt to play the (wo)man and not the issue. You seem to be really bothered by Verhofstadt. He's a nobody. He doesn't even lead a party anymore, and when he did they were only the fourth party of the EU Parliament.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 14, 2019 21:25:41 GMT
No but she is directly opposing the referendum result..... action which had brought us to where we are.... including the closing down of Parliament....not to mention the colluding with the German and French led EU.... inviting Verhofstadt to the Lib Dem conference wasn't particularly a good signal when the ' negotiations' have become tense between two groups at a juxtaposition..... whose side is she on ? ( and it is now a power battle with sides) Terrible attempt to play the (wo)man and not the issue. You seem to be really bothered by Verhofstadt. He's a nobody. He doesn't even lead a party anymore, and when he did they were only the fourth party of the EU Parliament. Not really, the issue is her stance in respect of BREXIT. Why invite a nobody to a party conference? Perhaps he isn't or to keep to the issues.... perhaps his message isn't irrelevant. He represents the EU party line extremely well
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Post by lordb on Oct 14, 2019 21:46:30 GMT
The more I see and hear from Johnson the greater the revile I have for him. Despicable man, utterly without shame or scruples (or indeed any semblance of a plan)
There must be plenty of life long Tory voters thinking twice about who to vote for at the next GE purely because if him and I include many leave votors in that.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 16, 2019 10:54:15 GMT
He’s a bullshitter that will let down all leave voters As far as I can now gather it seems as though you may be right..... unless he is banking on either his deal being rejected by Parliament and/ or the EU rejected a request for an extension ( or the mystery Cummings/Johnson strategy). Looks to me like we have to go to a GE and see what effect the BREXIT party has.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 16, 2019 14:54:02 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 16, 2019 15:04:09 GMT
He’s a bullshitter that will let down all leave voters As far as I can now gather it seems as though you may be right Fraise..... unless he is banking on either his deal being rejected by Parliament and/ or the EU rejected a request for an extension ( or the mystery Cummings/Johnson strategy). Looks to me like we have to go to a GE and see what effect the BREXIT party has. I’d hold fire for a few more hours to see what he does deliver. If he gets the DUP onside as well as the likes of Lord Snooty and Count Cummings he’s probably got as good a deal as you are likely to get. If he does achieve that, he‘ll be home and hosed.
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Post by harryburrows on Oct 16, 2019 15:11:59 GMT
The more I see and hear from Johnson the greater the revile I have for him. Despicable man, utterly without shame or scruples (or indeed any semblance of a plan) There must be plenty of life long Tory voters thinking twice about who to vote for at the next GE purely because if him and I include many leave votors in that. If there was a credible alternative this may have been true . Corbyn is worth millions of votes to the Conservative party ATM.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 16, 2019 19:17:32 GMT
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Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on Oct 16, 2019 20:13:47 GMT
He's a fucking half bake doing a piss poor impression that daft bald old cunt Trump
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 16, 2019 20:42:13 GMT
He's a fucking half bake doing a piss poor impression that daft bald old cunt Trump The self proclaimed leaders of the 'free' world.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 17, 2019 15:52:01 GMT
I'm not saying that I agree with Boris and the agreement, My view is closer to Patrick O'flynn ( and possibly Farage)....but I think Boris has ( possibly) made a mockery of all the stupid flack that he has had to put up with ( tentatively) Most of the personal stuff was irrelevant....he isn't a buffoon.Facing A very difficult task , some would say impossible.
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Post by mattyd on Oct 17, 2019 15:57:15 GMT
Not seen the details yet, but there is no way Corbyn and Krankie will vote for this, as they vote against EVERY deal put before them just to bring down the Government and feather their own nests, Bollocks to what is right to the country, just stick the knife in regardless.
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Post by zerps on Oct 17, 2019 16:46:02 GMT
It’s pronounced Joris Bohnson
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Post by bathstoke on Oct 17, 2019 16:46:49 GMT
Not seen the details yet, but there is no way Corbyn and Krankie will vote for this, as they vote against EVERY deal put before them just to bring down the Government and feather their own nests, Bollocks to what is right to the country, just stick the knife in regardless. The DUP won’t swallow it either, but I guess he knew that all along. There’s nothing to celebrate until The End
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Post by zerps on Oct 17, 2019 16:48:06 GMT
Not seen the details yet, but there is no way Corbyn and Krankie will vote for this, as they vote against EVERY deal put before them just to bring down the Government and feather their own nests, Bollocks to what is right to the country, just stick the knife in regardless. Tbf, even the left wing losers can see these pair are losers now.
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Post by felonious on Dec 21, 2019 8:19:56 GMT
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Post by felonious on Dec 21, 2019 8:21:44 GMT
Very statesmanlike performances from Boris over the last few days. Reaching out across the divides and avoiding any extreme triumphalism.
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Post by henry on Dec 21, 2019 8:51:12 GMT
It's refreshing to hear a leader speak about Britain the way he is doing, upbeat, positive. Don't let the good people of Stoke on Trent down Boris, these 3 seats are your's to lose now.
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 21, 2019 9:07:28 GMT
Deserves his own thread. In my opinion Boris will win over many people. He has taken the Premiership at possibly the most difficult and challenging time for any PM since the war. A very minority government trying to deliver the most significant event for the UK since the war.... with the combined opposition of Parliament, the media , the EU and other political bodies.....and in the face of unprecedented personal attacks. Whether he really means what he says remains to be seen. But in my opinion he is playing it right. If he delivers true BREXIT on 31 October he will be a hero and will possibly have a landslide. at an election. If he doesn't he can rightly go to the country saying that he was clear and he tried but the opposition denied him. ..... and he could get a landslide for that. It has been clear that the opposition parties are offering little other than denying the will of the people. To portray him as a fool has backfired. Who would do a better job than him at present..... possibly only Farage. ( cue hysteria) He has just spent the last 3 years doing more than anyone to prevent brexit, even stopping Parliament from passing his deal!?! You couldn’t make that up! He championed an old and rejected withdrawal agreement that, in his words, no UK PM could sign up to. It was a deal worse than May’s according to almost everyone, with a front stop down the Irish sea rather than a back stop on the border with Ireland. He has lied. Constantly. About everything. And despite the majority (ironically 52%) of votes at the election going to parties that back a second referendum, he feels that his 43% of the vote “settles” the brexit issue and gives him a mandate. It only could happen here in our undemocratic system. Boris Johnson is directly opposing the will of the majority of people who voted at the last election. He is the elite establishment personified. There is only one thing you can trust him to do. That is absolutely anything to further his career and increase his power and influence, no matter what it is. I would say about 99% of the population would do a better job than him. There is nobody more divisive in politics. But good luck in bringing the country together!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 21, 2019 9:08:23 GMT
He's a privileged and entitled cunt. A selfish fat capitalist shithouse with about as much interest in the future of the people of Stoke on Trent as I have in flower arranging
A bigot, and a liar. A turd in a wedding breakfast. A pissed stained mattress in a honeymoon suite.
If you have anytime for the cunt then you are a deeply flawed and selfish human being and a daft gullible twat to boot.
Boris fucking Johnson my bastard arse. Day 1 he shits on workers rights and fucks over vulnerable children.
Fuck off.
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 21, 2019 9:10:39 GMT
I'm not saying that I agree with Boris and the agreement, My view is closer to Patrick O'flynn ( and possibly Farage)....but I think Boris has ( possibly) made a mockery of all the stupid flack that he has had to put up with ( tentatively) Most of the personal stuff was irrelevant....he isn't a buffoon.Facing A very difficult task , some would say impossible. His deal was the one the EU offered May ages ago and she rejected as did he, describing it as something no UK PM could agree to. It was not a new deal. It was not even “his” deal. He tried to negotiate, got nowhere and then said, give me whatever you like and I will take it (basically because Johnson couldn’t care less) and the EU reverted to their previous position. He capitulated in the negotiations completely and utterly.
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 21, 2019 9:12:07 GMT
Very statesmanlike performances from Boris over the last few days. Reaching out across the divides and avoiding any extreme triumphalism. Good joke
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Post by henry on Dec 21, 2019 9:14:18 GMT
He's a privileged and entitled cunt. A selfish fat capitalist shithouse with about as much interest in the future of the people of Stoke on Trent as I have in flower arranging A bigot, and a liar. A turd in a wedding breakfast. A pissed stained mattress in a honeymoon suite. If you have anytime for the cunt then you are a deeply flawed and selfish human being and a daft gullible twat to boot. Boris fucking Johnson my bastard arse. Day 1 he shits on workers rights and fucks over vulnerable children. Fuck off. I take it you voted for the party full of hatred and racist's then
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 21, 2019 9:16:16 GMT
He's a privileged and entitled cunt. A selfish fat capitalist shithouse with about as much interest in the future of the people of Stoke on Trent as I have in flower arranging A bigot, and a liar. A turd in a wedding breakfast. A pissed stained mattress in a honeymoon suite. If you have anytime for the cunt then you are a deeply flawed and selfish human being and a daft gullible twat to boot. Boris fucking Johnson my bastard arse. Day 1 he shits on workers rights and fucks over vulnerable children. Fuck off. I take it you voted for the party full of hatred and racist's then www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/paul-golding-conservatives-britain-first-boris-johnson-muslim-women-letterboxes-a9254061.html
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 21, 2019 9:20:04 GMT
I'm not saying that I agree with Boris and the agreement, My view is closer to Patrick O'flynn ( and possibly Farage)....but I think Boris has ( possibly) made a mockery of all the stupid flack that he has had to put up with ( tentatively) Most of the personal stuff was irrelevant....he isn't a buffoon.Facing A very difficult task , some would say impossible. His deal was the one the EU offered May ages ago and she rejected as did he, describing it as something no UK PM could agree to. It was not a new deal. It was not even “his” deal. He tried to negotiate, got nowhere and then said, gove me whatever you will and the EU reverted to their previous position. He capitulated in the negotiations completely and utterly. Aye you can't trust these politicians. He's not doing so bad so far is he? He's not had much of a chance yet has he? Let's see what happens. I must admit I find the least honourable group at the moment to be the LibDems.... neither liberal nor democratic. I think Swinson argued for a referendum in 2016 ( on at least one occasion) and then didn't respect the result.( in favour of tuition fee rises I believe). I think that she supported Tory votes/ policies whilst in the coalition more often many Tories. An arrogant total hypocrite.
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