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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 14, 2019 19:52:34 GMT
Austin is deluded. There is nothing in that great work of fiction delivered by a woman in a solid gold hat this morning that ends austerity in any way for those at the bottom. Not a thing. Christ, people are thick.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Oct 14, 2019 19:56:06 GMT
I don't recall Johnson's speeches over the past decade denouncing austerity because of the damage it was doing.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 14, 2019 20:01:41 GMT
I don't recall Johnson's speeches over the past decade denouncing austerity because of the damage it was doing. Yes man pledges to re-employ all the Police he voted to get rid of at every single turn and is hailed as a hero. I'll answer my own question from above. YES. People are thick.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Oct 14, 2019 20:04:36 GMT
Boris Johnson- dividing the UK rather than uniting it, dividing his party rather than uniting it, spending money without explaining how it will be funded at a level which would be considered fiscally crazy were it by any party other than the Tories, won't tell the nation how many kids he has (not obligatory but a measure of the man), has had questionable dealings with a businesswoman, acted unlawfully in attempting to prorogue Parliament for five weeks for a Queen's speech which was, in the end, knocked out in a few days......Of course some will consider him a hero if he delivers Brexit with something close to May's deal (which he voted against twice in his quest for the top job)and I fully expect the Tories to get a majority -personally I just think he's a complete wanker, but I guess that's perspectives for you. Not sure ' dividing the country' can be put down to Boris. The nastiness around the issue originates from Remainers being unable to accept the result of the referendum. Who would do a better job from the current bunch. We've had one vote for Rory Stewart. No we haven't had a 'vote' for Rory Stewart at all. I said I would keep an eye on his career. This is what Brexit has become and done to people. Were just missing 'fish' and 'johnny foreigner stealing jobs' now.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 14, 2019 20:05:58 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 14, 2019 20:06:00 GMT
Not sure ' dividing the country' can be put down to Boris. The nastiness around the issue originates from Remainers being unable to accept the result of the referendum. Who would do a better job from the current bunch. We've had one vote for Rory Stewart. He is the one who says he will unite the country. He is supposedly this wonderful leader so if unity is truly his aim it is his job to work out how to unite those entrenched with widely different opinion, but his approach is to get just enough on his side then the rest can whistle- if that is not divisive I don't know what is.
The referendum was a binary event. The cause of disunity is those who won't accept the result. If Remain had won it would be over now. A further Referendum nor an election will bring unity, but more conflict. Boris is doing his best in a difficult situation.., who do you think could do better?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 14, 2019 20:09:13 GMT
The way I see it Momo, he is just carrying on doing the normal things of a PM....if it doesn't transpire...we go to the next stage...BUT....those who are the detractors, those that are preventing progress are the Remainers...and politically Boris is playing a 'good game'..... he's not stupid.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 14, 2019 20:12:01 GMT
Not sure ' dividing the country' can be put down to Boris. The nastiness around the issue originates from Remainers being unable to accept the result of the referendum. Who would do a better job from the current bunch. We've had one vote for Rory Stewart. No we haven't had a 'vote' for Rory Stewart at all. I said I would keep an eye on his career. This is what Brexit has become and done to people. Were just missing 'fish' and 'johnny foreigner stealing jobs' now. Ok.... Keep an eye on him.....Why? Don't know what you are talking about with the Johnny foreigner and fish.... too complicated for me....I do love Europe though as most Leavers do...... fantastic nation states, unique and culturally diverse
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Oct 14, 2019 20:18:55 GMT
No we haven't had a 'vote' for Rory Stewart at all. I said I would keep an eye on his career. This is what Brexit has become and done to people. Were just missing 'fish' and 'johnny foreigner stealing jobs' now. Ok.... Keep an eye on him.....Why? Don't know what you are talking about with the Johnny foreigner and fish....top complicated for me....I do love Europe though as most Leavers do...... fantastic nation states, unique and culturally diverse Fairly simple really, his run for Tory party leader was unique and I feel he will emerge over the coming years to be a good leader. It could of course go tits up. It's also pleasing to see your positive comments towards our neighbouring countries they will be crucial in terms of us moving forward.
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Post by salopstick on Oct 14, 2019 20:19:40 GMT
You talk about trust. Labour MPs more than any other party pledged to respect the referendum they even put it in their manifesto now they have tried to block brexit at every opportunity and are trying to campaign on a remain/2nd vote platform
No way can they take the moral ground when complaining against anyone’s integrity
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 14, 2019 20:20:06 GMT
I don't recall Johnson's speeches over the past decade denouncing austerity because of the damage it was doing. Yes man pledges to re-employ all the Police he voted to get rid of at every single turn and is hailed as a hero. I'll answer my own question from above. YES. People are thick. i agree Momo , he is simply reversing some of the previous Tory cuts.....but we are where we are ( a week ( at the moment...a few hours). is a long time in politics)... what do you expect him to do.... make further cuts? He has rendered Corbyn irrelevant with no where to go. People want a bit of hope and vision, not griping from the side, that's the nature of people.
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Post by salopstick on Oct 14, 2019 20:22:30 GMT
Rory Stewart is leaving parliment to run for London mayor
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2019 20:37:09 GMT
He is the one who says he will unite the country. He is supposedly this wonderful leader so if unity is truly his aim it is his job to work out how to unite those entrenched with widely different opinion, but his approach is to get just enough on his side then the rest can whistle- if that is not divisive I don't know what is.
The referendum was a binary event. The cause of disunity is those who won't accept the result. If Remain had won it would be over now. A further Referendum nor an election will bring unity, but more conflict. Boris is doing his best in a difficult situation.., who do you think could fo better? Correct. Completely binary. In or out. So let’s stay in the customs union and a version of the single market and we can have a deal done and dusted in a few weeks. Job done....
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 14, 2019 20:40:53 GMT
The referendum was a binary event. The cause of disunity is those who won't accept the result. If Remain had won it would be over now. A further Referendum nor an election will bring unity, but more conflict. Boris is doing his best in a difficult situation.., who do you think could fo better? Correct. Completely binary. In or out. So let’s stay in the customs union and a version of the single market and we can have a deal done and dusted in a few weeks. Job done.... That's not what was promised..,and it's why there is such discord....the inability to accept the result.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Oct 14, 2019 20:49:41 GMT
Correct. Completely binary. In or out. So let’s stay in the customs union and a version of the single market and we can have a deal done and dusted in a few weeks. Job done.... That's not what was promised..,and it's why there is such discord....the inability to accept the result. It's the inability to agree on what the result meant that prevented the UK leaving in March, and Leave supporters are just as guilty of that as any Remain supporters.
As for the Remoaners I do struggle to see how you can criticise them for not accepting the result when Farage said that a narrow remain vote would not mean the end of the Leave campaign.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2019 20:56:34 GMT
Correct. Completely binary. In or out. So let’s stay in the customs union and a version of the single market and we can have a deal done and dusted in a few weeks. Job done.... That's not what was promised..,and it's why there is such discord....the inability to accept the result. It’s just amazing how the same people who talk about binary choices start quoting promises that were made when you turn it round on its head. Out is out, Norway, Canada, No Deal, whatever.....
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Oct 14, 2019 20:58:35 GMT
As for who can do a better job, I think Jo Swinson has shown some really political savvy over the last few months - and has shown that she's got the bollocks to make big calls when needed. She'll never get in because First Past The Post system is designed to keep the establishment in power, but she is the sort of principled, honest, working class politician that the country has been lacking.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 14, 2019 20:58:38 GMT
That's not what was promised..,and it's why there is such discord....the inability to accept the result. It's the inability to agree on what the result meant that prevented the UK leaving in March, and Leave supporters are just as guilty of that as any Remain supporters.
As for the Remoaners I do struggle to see how you can criticise them for not accepting the result when Farage said that a narrow remain vote would not mean the end of the Leave campaign.
The point of the referendum was made clear and debated before the referendum.. .We even had a leaflet through the post from the Remain supporting government to make it clear. If we had voted Remain it would be over now. You are confirming the unnacceptance. Farage would have accepted the result and continued the argument to leave. The Remainers can't accept the result and likewisedemocracy
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 14, 2019 20:59:35 GMT
That's not what was promised..,and it's why there is such discord....the inability to accept the result. It’s just amazing how the same people who talk about binary choices start quoting promises that were made when you turn it round on its head. Out is out, Norway, Canada, No Deal, whatever..... Just Remainers attempting to thwart the decision... being unable to accept the result.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2019 21:00:08 GMT
As for who can do a better job, I think Jo Swinson has shown some really political savvy over the last few months - and has shown that she's got the bollocks to make big calls when needed. She'll never get in because First Past The Post system is designed to keep the establishment in power, but she is the sort of principled, honest, working class politician that the country has been lacking. Sarcasm. Like it 👍
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Oct 14, 2019 21:01:53 GMT
It's the inability to agree on what the result meant that prevented the UK leaving in March, and Leave supporters are just as guilty of that as any Remain supporters.
As for the Remoaners I do struggle to see how you can criticise them for not accepting the result when Farage said that a narrow remain vote would not mean the end of the Leave campaign.
The point of the referendum was made clear and debated before the referendum.. .We even had a leaflet through the post from the Remain supporting government to make it clear. If we had voted Remain it would be over now. You are confirming the unnacceptance. Farage would have accepted the result and continued the argument to leave. The Remainers can't accept the result and likewisedemocracy If Farage would've accepted the result, was he bullshitting when he talked about unfinished business?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2019 21:03:42 GMT
The point of the referendum was made clear and debated before the referendum.. .We even had a leaflet through the post from the Remain supporting government to make it clear. If we had voted Remain it would be over now. You are confirming the unnacceptance. Farage would have accepted the result and continued the argument to leave. The Remainers can't accept the result and likewisedemocracy If Farage would've accepted the result, was he bullshitting when he talked about unfinished business? Farage would love nothing better than for this circus to drag on for another 10 years, keeps him relevant.....
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 14, 2019 21:04:07 GMT
As for who can do a better job, I think Jo Swinson has shown some really political savvy over the last few months - and has shown that she's got the bollocks to make big calls when needed. She'll never get in because First Past The Post system is designed to keep the establishment in power, but she is the sort of principled, honest, working class politician that the country has been lacking. I don't see it myself Rip, She has made her position clear. Unfortunately she has blatantly and arrogantly ignored the referendum result. Doesn't she have a vested interest in her husband , ex MP, having over a million pound EU funding for his business..... luckily she has the media on her side.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Oct 14, 2019 21:04:24 GMT
If Farage would've accepted the result, was he bullshitting when he talked about unfinished business? Farage would love nothing better than for this circus to drag on for another 10 years, keeps him relevant..... Agreed. He'll be the happiest man in Britain if Brexit is cancelled.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 14, 2019 21:06:10 GMT
The point of the referendum was made clear and debated before the referendum.. .We even had a leaflet through the post from the Remain supporting government to make it clear. If we had voted Remain it would be over now. You are confirming the unnacceptance. Farage would have accepted the result and continued the argument to leave. The Remainers can't accept the result and likewisedemocracy If Farage would've accepted the result, was he bullshitting when he talked about unfinished business? I've just explained that...it is possible to accept a result, for that result to be implemented and then to continue to fight for what you believe in....it happens after most general elections
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Post by salopstick on Oct 14, 2019 21:06:34 GMT
As for who can do a better job, I think Jo Swinson has shown some really political savvy over the last few months - and has shown that she's got the bollocks to make big calls when needed. She'll never get in because First Past The Post system is designed to keep the establishment in power, but she is the sort of principled, honest, working class politician that the country has been lacking. Hilarious She’s gone from wanting a referendum to going all in dictatorship remain I wonder if the £4m her husbands company receives from the EU has turned her. She’s as bad as the rest
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Oct 14, 2019 21:07:01 GMT
It's the inability to agree on what the result meant that prevented the UK leaving in March, and Leave supporters are just as guilty of that as any Remain supporters.
As for the Remoaners I do struggle to see how you can criticise them for not accepting the result when Farage said that a narrow remain vote would not mean the end of the Leave campaign.
The point of the referendum was made clear and debated before the referendum.. .We even had a leaflet through the post from the Remain supporting government to make it clear. If we had voted Remain it would be over now. You are confirming the unnacceptance. Farage would have accepted the result and continued the argument to leave. The Remainers can't accept the result and likewisedemocracy Even today the support for no-deal is only 41%. Not the 52% who voted Leave After all that has happened , and with a supposed modern-day Churchill tub-thumping and promising a glorious future, if the Leave supporters still cannot agree the shape of Brexit then the Remain supporters can hardly be held responsible for the inadequacies of the Leave side.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 14, 2019 21:07:04 GMT
Farage would love nothing better than for this circus to drag on for another 10 years, keeps him relevant..... Agreed. He'll be the happiest man in Britain if Brexit is cancelled. I don't think so. Nice but desperate try to get the man though
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Oct 14, 2019 21:07:27 GMT
As for who can do a better job, I think Jo Swinson has shown some really political savvy over the last few months - and has shown that she's got the bollocks to make big calls when needed. She'll never get in because First Past The Post system is designed to keep the establishment in power, but she is the sort of principled, honest, working class politician that the country has been lacking. I don't see it myself Rip, She has made her position clear. Unfortunately she has blatantly and arrogantly ignored the referendum result. Doesn't she have a vested interest in her husband , ex MP, having over a million pound EU funding for his business..... luckily she has the media on her side. I saw the media asking her some real difficult questions the other day - not so sure they're on her side. They grilled her on policy, Brexit plans etc. Really think there's an agenda against her from a lot of the media. Can't knock her for sticking to her principles. Must be the working class background coming shining through - we could do with a few more like her with a bit of backbone.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 14, 2019 21:08:52 GMT
The point of the referendum was made clear and debated before the referendum.. .We even had a leaflet through the post from the Remain supporting government to make it clear. If we had voted Remain it would be over now. You are confirming the unnacceptance. Farage would have accepted the result and continued the argument to leave. The Remainers can't accept the result and likewisedemocracy Even today the support for no-deal is only 41%. Not the 52% who voted Leave After all that has happened , and with a supposed modern-day Churchill tub-thumping and promising a glorious future, if the Leave supporters still cannot agree the shape of Brexit then the Remain supporters can hardly be held responsible for the inadequacies of the Leave side. I don't think Polls have been found to be too reliable. And I wouldn't believe everything that the media tells you about Brexiteers... perhaps the media has an agenda?
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