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Post by femark on Oct 3, 2019 18:53:16 GMT
Talking out your arse mate Yeah cause I am. And would you like explain how you come to that conclusion. Why would the club tell him they’re getting rid and then let him be in charge at the weekend? It completely defies logic. You made it up because you thought he was a gonner. Now you’re making more illogical stuff up to cover for the fact that you haven’t got a clue just like the rest of us.
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Post by ursemboys on Oct 3, 2019 18:54:59 GMT
Yeah cause I am. And would you like explain how you come to that conclusion. Why would the club tell him they’re getting rid and then let him be in charge at the weekend? It completely defies logic. You made it up because you thought he was a gonner. Now you’re making more illogical stuff up to cover for the fact that you haven’t got a clue just like the rest of us. Made it up yeah right cause I did.
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Post by harrysburrow on Oct 3, 2019 18:58:11 GMT
To be fair, if the board haven't got a clue what they're doing then what chance has anyone else got?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2019 19:03:35 GMT
The only picture you need to look at is one of his win record. It's his fault we don't have a left back. He sold Erik Pieters for wasn't it less at £1m. He is a terrible manager who has made a complete hash of everything he has done here. There is no excuse for his transfers over the summer. You can't even use the excuse of funds when Sawyers and Ayaji went to West Brom for about £5m and he pissed £4m up the wall on Tommy fucking Smith. He's the one that promised that he wouldn't bring anyone in that wasn't better than what we had and NONE of them are better. They are all worse. It's entirely his fault. All that comes out of his mouth are lies and excuses but everyone has been sucked in to thinking he's a nice guy. Load of absolute mugs. Can you please explain to the rest of us how our recruitment process works? As far as I can tell it is really quite opaque and so none of us on here know exactly who to blame or what is responsible for a poor dealings in multiple transfer windows under three successive managers (excluding Lambert). You are saying it is all 100% Jones' fault so you must have some insight into the process that the rest of us are unaware of? He said explicitly he picked the players. He didn’t want Pieters. What more do you want?
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Post by philm87 on Oct 3, 2019 19:07:29 GMT
Can you please explain to the rest of us how our recruitment process works? As far as I can tell it is really quite opaque and so none of us on here know exactly who to blame or what is responsible for a poor dealings in multiple transfer windows under three successive managers (excluding Lambert). You are saying it is all 100% Jones' fault so you must have some insight into the process that the rest of us are unaware of? He said explicitly he picked the players. He didn’t want Pieters. What more do you want? Where did he say that? And even if he did that does not really answer the question. You cannot explain how our recruit process works in just two short sentences. What do I want? I want the world to be as simple as you think it is. Life would be so much easier then.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2019 19:13:34 GMT
He said explicitly he picked the players. He didn’t want Pieters. What more do you want? Where did he say that? And even if he did that does not really answer the question. You cannot explain how our recruit process works in just two short sentences. What do I want? I want the world to be as simple as you think it is. Life would be so much easier then. The manager ultimately picks the players. As explained by the manager himself, Mike Pejic, Liam Lawrence. I’m sure there are more which others can point to.
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Post by delilahismymum on Oct 3, 2019 19:14:42 GMT
What about all the ITKers that said he was gone? 🤔 I feel left out. Just about everyone but me seems to know someone who has a mate who knows a bloke ITK at stoke, that’s passed secrets on. Nobody tells me nothin.
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Post by philm87 on Oct 3, 2019 19:16:06 GMT
Where did he say that? And even if he did that does not really answer the question. You cannot explain how our recruit process works in just two short sentences. What do I want? I want the world to be as simple as you think it is. Life would be so much easier then. The manager ultimately picks the players. As explained by the manager himself, Mike Pejic, Liam Lawrence. I’m sure there are more which others can point to. You mean the 'others' on here? Well they usually blame Scholes and Cartwright for our transfer debacles, but you are saying it is 100% all Jones?
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Post by delilahismymum on Oct 3, 2019 19:22:06 GMT
Why would the club tell him they’re getting rid and then let him be in charge at the weekend? It completely defies logic. You made it up because you thought he was a gonner. Now you’re making more illogical stuff up to cover for the fact that you haven’t got a clue just like the rest of us. Made it up yeah right cause I did. Yet another ITK wanker who knows fuck all. stop trying for attention. People will still talk to you without your lies.
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Post by roylandstoke on Oct 3, 2019 19:33:17 GMT
Most of what he says is true, luck just isn't with us at the moment. We are doing more than enough to win games. He is probably a couple of signings from making us a really strong clinical team. Are these signings Virgil Van Dijk and Lionel Messi?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2019 19:38:51 GMT
The manager ultimately picks the players. As explained by the manager himself, Mike Pejic, Liam Lawrence. I’m sure there are more which others can point to. You mean the 'others' on here? Well they usually blame Scholes and Cartwright for our transfer debacles, but you are saying it is 100% all Jones? Yes. People do blame them but Liam Lawrence and Mike Pejic explained at the weekend the problem is the managers pick the players and it’s all gone downhill since Hughes wanted more control. And since then it’s been the manager that’s picked the players. NJ also said over the summer they were his players and he wanted them.
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Post by ursemboys on Oct 3, 2019 19:40:54 GMT
Made it up yeah right cause I did. Yet another ITK wanker who knows fuck all. stop trying for attention. People will still talk to you without your lies.[/quote attention lol right, sure you get loads of attention with your smart mouth dick head
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Post by femark on Oct 3, 2019 19:42:26 GMT
Why would the club tell him they’re getting rid and then let him be in charge at the weekend? It completely defies logic. You made it up because you thought he was a gonner. Now you’re making more illogical stuff up to cover for the fact that you haven’t got a clue just like the rest of us. Made it up yeah right cause I did. Well it’s obviously not true so...
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Post by ursemboys on Oct 3, 2019 19:48:13 GMT
Made it up yeah right cause I did. Well it’s obviously not true so... believe what ever you like, I really dont care what you think, what I was told happened and I aint the only one on here who knows its true.
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Post by samuel32 on Oct 3, 2019 20:30:51 GMT
Don’t get me wrong, Jones has been an awful manager for Stoke so far. But he comes across as a decent bloke. That press conference took balls. It’d be nice if our players showed the same fighting spirit on Saturday
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Post by musik on Oct 3, 2019 20:34:44 GMT
A friend in need is a friend indeed.
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Post by Jimmyg on Oct 3, 2019 21:17:15 GMT
He said in the post match interview against Huddersfield that we haven't got that cutting edge,I can't see us producing enough quality or cutting edge against Swansea to get a result so I think the situation is untenable, this will go on and on,it will take a miracle for him to turn this around as we are simply not good enough.
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Post by Cast no shadow on Oct 4, 2019 4:34:54 GMT
Great how he went on and said we played 3 forwards vs Crawley...... He never mentioned playing a back 5 with to defensive midfielders.
Then he said we had Fulham away after Swansea.
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Post by karl on Oct 4, 2019 5:04:18 GMT
I think if Nathan Jones is in charge for the Swansea game we will suffer our heaviest defeat of the season.
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Post by madnellie on Oct 4, 2019 6:51:25 GMT
A friend in need is a friend indeed. A friend with weed is better...
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Post by philm87 on Oct 4, 2019 9:34:16 GMT
You mean the 'others' on here? Well they usually blame Scholes and Cartwright for our transfer debacles, but you are saying it is 100% all Jones? Yes. People do blame them but Liam Lawrence and Mike Pejic explained at the weekend the problem is the managers pick the players and it’s all gone downhill since Hughes wanted more control. And since then it’s been the manager that’s picked the players. NJ also said over the summer they were his players and he wanted them. Well of course the manager will say he wanted them in public, what choice does he have? Do you really think when we failed to signed James Justin he thought, 'fuck it, Stephen Ward will do'? If that is all the evidence you have to shine a light on the recruitment process then you really are hinging quite a lot on a one minute radio segment from a player who left the club years ago and, for all his footballing ability, is not the brightest spark. It would make more sense just to accept that you are just guessing and basically making stuff up like everyone else on here. As far as I can tell none of us really knows how the club recruits players and therefore it is impossible for us as fans to know exactly where the blame and responsibility lies. To blame the entire debacle 100% on one person simply makes no sense in these circumstances and to attach so much certainty to your opinions is just arrogant.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2019 9:43:13 GMT
Yes. People do blame them but Liam Lawrence and Mike Pejic explained at the weekend the problem is the managers pick the players and it’s all gone downhill since Hughes wanted more control. And since then it’s been the manager that’s picked the players. NJ also said over the summer they were his players and he wanted them. Well of course the manager will say he wanted them in public, what choice does he have? Do you really think when we failed to signed James Justin he thought, 'fuck it, Stephen Ward will do'? If that is all the evidence you have to shine a light on the recruitment process then you really are hinging quite a lot on a one minute radio segment from a player who left the club years ago and, for all his footballing ability, is not the brightest spark. It would make more sense just to accept that you are just guessing and basically making stuff up like everyone else on here. As far as I can tell none of us really knows how the club recruits players and therefore it is impossible for us as fans to know exactly where the blame and responsibility lies. To blame the entire debacle 100% on one person simply makes no sense in these circumstances and to attach so much certainty to your opinions is just arrogant. Yep I'm sure they don't know how it works and you know better. It's not blaming it on one person but he has brought in 11 players we didn't really need and where no better than what he had. The club didn't force them on him did they? Or are you suggesting they did? Of course other people are culpable but its for letting him do it - just like they let Gary Rowett have £50m to spend how he wanted. Are you telling me it was Tony Scholes and Mark Cartwright that brought James McClean to club? Even they wouldn't have been that daft. It is well known they were after Gayle before they appointed Rowett and then he wanted Afobe. Hughes wanted Wimmer and Imbula etc. Yet you seem to suggest the manager doesn't pick the players. It's both the managers fault for picking awful players and the club's fault for allowing this to happen and appointing a manager that doesn't have the experience of handling a huge transfer budget like Rowett did and then wondering why it went wrong. And with NJ he didn't want to look abroad, he didn't want loans, so he looked where we he knew - Cousins who he'd worked with at Charlton, Davies and Lindsay from League One, Nick Powell who everyone knows of, Lee Gregory whose been in the Championship for ages. Do you think this is all a coincidence or something? You don't seem to know anything yourself but seem to feel able to call me arrogant when I at least have some evidence for what I am saying when you have none and just seem to be trying to make a argument out of nothing.
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Post by musik on Oct 4, 2019 12:25:32 GMT
A friend in need is a friend indeed. The weird part is this: When I wrote the swedish expression "I nöden prövas vännen" into google translate, to find what they would suggest as the english counterpart, "A friend in need is a friend indeed", came up. But this in fact is THE OPPOSITE to the swedish expression. If I would do a free translation of what this swedish typical expression really means, it would be more like: "When you're in need, your friends are tested", meaning: then you will really find out who your real friends are. If someone of them really needs the support, it would be away to Swansea, both him and the players. Telling some player they have just made an own goal is pointless, I'm sure they already know that ... If this circus goes on, the frustration should be directed to the responsible for appointing NJ et al. But I believe NJ when he says, "then it will be a matter of weeks rather than months".
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Post by kustokie on Oct 4, 2019 12:35:45 GMT
The only reason he's not been sacked is probably because they don't want to pay him off. By the way, when the fans were clapping them off t'other night, were they going oink oink as well! He and the team are f'ing clueless. Obvious to anyone with a nose on their face! Clueless, I tell you! Disappointed that Hughton has said no (if true), by the way! The supporters who do turn up these days deserve far, far better than the shite being served up! More likely they can’t find anyone better that is willing to take us on. This must be one of the worst career-ending opportunity in football. All four of the previous managers are out of work. The pay-off money brings financial security, but these are type-A personalities that have to work to be fulfilled.
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Post by philm87 on Oct 4, 2019 23:07:26 GMT
Well of course the manager will say he wanted them in public, what choice does he have? Do you really think when we failed to signed James Justin he thought, 'fuck it, Stephen Ward will do'? If that is all the evidence you have to shine a light on the recruitment process then you really are hinging quite a lot on a one minute radio segment from a player who left the club years ago and, for all his footballing ability, is not the brightest spark. It would make more sense just to accept that you are just guessing and basically making stuff up like everyone else on here. As far as I can tell none of us really knows how the club recruits players and therefore it is impossible for us as fans to know exactly where the blame and responsibility lies. To blame the entire debacle 100% on one person simply makes no sense in these circumstances and to attach so much certainty to your opinions is just arrogant. Yep I'm sure they don't know how it works and you know better. It's not blaming it on one person but he has brought in 11 players we didn't really need and where no better than what he had. The club didn't force them on him did they? Or are you suggesting they did? Of course other people are culpable but its for letting him do it - just like they let Gary Rowett have £50m to spend how he wanted. Are you telling me it was Tony Scholes and Mark Cartwright that brought James McClean to club? Even they wouldn't have been that daft. It is well known they were after Gayle before they appointed Rowett and then he wanted Afobe. Hughes wanted Wimmer and Imbula etc. Yet you seem to suggest the manager doesn't pick the players. It's both the managers fault for picking awful players and the club's fault for allowing this to happen and appointing a manager that doesn't have the experience of handling a huge transfer budget like Rowett did and then wondering why it went wrong. And with NJ he didn't want to look abroad, he didn't want loans, so he looked where we he knew - Cousins who he'd worked with at Charlton, Davies and Lindsay from League One, Nick Powell who everyone knows of, Lee Gregory whose been in the Championship for ages. Do you think this is all a coincidence or something? You don't seem to know anything yourself but seem to feel able to call me arrogant when I at least have some evidence for what I am saying when you have none and just seem to be trying to make a argument out of nothing. Well yes I acknowledged I don't know anything. That is why I was asking you to enlighten me. That was the entire basis of this conversation. I was just amazed at how you have pieced it all together with so much precision and certainty on the basis of a few media snippets and then concluded that the manager was solely responsible for every single transfer. I wasn't even disagreeing, just pointing out that that was perhaps a premature conclusion to reach concerning a process that to all other outsiders appears to be rather more opaque than you are claiming.
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Post by Bagwash on Oct 5, 2019 8:07:12 GMT
This is what I don't get about Jones.In todays Sentinel he is bulling Ince up when we all know he is bone and has been crap.NJ has always stated that he is honest,why not tell it like it is? Hopefully it would really piss Ince off and he would ask for a transfer. Same applies to Clucas,Maclean,Vokes and quite a few more.
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Post by musik on Oct 5, 2019 12:30:09 GMT
This is what I don't get about Jones.In todays Sentinel he is bulling Ince up when we all know he is bone and has been crap.NJ has always stated that he is honest,why not tell it like it is? Hopefully it would really piss Ince off and he would ask for a transfer. Same applies to Clucas,Maclean,Vokes and quite a few more. But isn't Ince one for the Player of the Season award?
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