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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 21:40:18 GMT
Nathan jones red and white army. Come on you potters Should you be drinking this much on a school night 👀 Is it a school night? Shit I haven't done my homework (again).
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Post by blackpoolred on Aug 22, 2019 21:58:16 GMT
Listen,can we just get behind the bloke... If pro footballers cant adapt to a system or shape then thats on THEM. 4 Managers now these shithouse players have got the sack and still its not them its the gaffer!! We need to stick with and support jones... Fuck these charalatan chancers,make it known we are with the manager. They will have nowhwere to hide then,we cannot keep sacking managers because of toss players who dont want to be here!! Keep the faith,rant over. The players are trying hard. They are just not good enough and they are being managed by somebody with no experience at this level and out of his depth. The Wolves fans were correct in saying that Batth is a tier 3 player: he was woeful last night and if our only ambition is a relegation battle or tier 3 then he is fine. Our only other option at the centre of defence is another lower championship to tier 3 centre-half or an 18-year-old. We have no viable left-back. We were promised youth, vitality, pace and rottweilers who would die for the cause and yet we have 2 old has-beens as our only options upfront, no creativity, invention or pace or just about anybody I would pay money to watch in the team. This is the team our current manager built. We hounded out a manger that scored almost double the points NJ has amassed because in the chairman's words - "Was underperforming" There are managers out there that could keep this squad of players up - at the moment I just can't see us ever winning a game of football again while NJ is at the helm - he is a massive part of our current problem, but certainly not all of it.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 22, 2019 22:14:25 GMT
Do you seriously believe that Jones' system is working then? I think there's enough positives for it to keep getting used for now, if things don't change then obviously it will need to be dropped altered, I'd prefer 3 at the back to be honest but if Allen and and mostly Butland do their jobs things wouldn't be looking as bad, he can't legislate for a keeper of Butlands stature to look like someone thats never seen a football, we're creating more chances than I've ever seen a stoke team create thats surely a good thing, a better balance needs to be found though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 22:38:41 GMT
Time at club - 9 January 2019 - Present: - Played - 26 Won - 4 Drawn - 12 Lost - 10 Win% - 15.4%
This record is pathetic. Yes it is Jones he is out of his depth. And very stubborn.
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Post by redwhite on Aug 22, 2019 22:49:02 GMT
We're bottom of a shit league full of shit teams who would dream of having some of our players. They'd also dream of having the budget that we have to spend on players of the manager's choice. Jones has thus far massively underachieved, same goes for Rowett before him.
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 23, 2019 7:22:57 GMT
NJ dunna throw the ball in his own net. NJ does not dive out of the way of a shot NJ dunna allow a kick up field to bounce. NJ did not hit the post from 2 yards. NJ has never failed to track a runner. NJ does not play. NJ is the manager. OK, so what you're saying here is actually that it's never the manager who is at fault. I wonder why so many get the sack then? Not saying that at all BUT some things are not his fault. Which I've highlighted above subs, formation, team selection, fitness, and many other things he is responsible for not his players fucking it up. Are you really telling me NJ is to blame for Butlands howlers?
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 23, 2019 7:41:16 GMT
OK, so what you're saying here is actually that it's never the manager who is at fault. I wonder why so many get the sack then? Not saying that at all BUT some things are not his fault. Which I've highlighted above subs, formation, team selection, fitness, and many other things he is responsible for not his players fucking it up. Are you really telling me NJ is to blame for Butlands howlers? He is the man in charge. He chooses who to bring in. He decides tactics and formation. He picks the team, so why pick Butland and Allen game after game if they don't produce the goods? Competition for places is needed here! He is also the motivator. In what kind of job won't you be partly to blame if you can decide all this and everything goes tits up?
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Post by SCFC92 on Aug 23, 2019 7:53:18 GMT
Not saying that at all BUT some things are not his fault. Which I've highlighted above subs, formation, team selection, fitness, and many other things he is responsible for not his players fucking it up. Are you really telling me NJ is to blame for Butlands howlers? He is the man in charge. He chooses who to bring in. He decides tactics and formation. He picks the team, so why pick Butland and Allen game after game if they don't produce the goods? Competition for places is needed here! He is also the motivator. In what kind of job won't you be partly to blame if you can decide all this and everything goes tits up? You'd trust your experienced international professionals to pull it out of the bag especially on the back of the Derby performance which had everyone buzzing. He made one change (which people were calling for) and left it as was to build momentum with the same team bar one (which everyone was calling for). He now realises (post match interview) some people need pulling out of the firing line. I see Allen and Butland being dropped (which everyone is calling for).
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 23, 2019 7:53:42 GMT
Not saying that at all BUT some things are not his fault. Which I've highlighted above subs, formation, team selection, fitness, and many other things he is responsible for not his players fucking it up. Are you really telling me NJ is to blame for Butlands howlers? He is the man in charge. He chooses who to bring in. He decides tactics and formation. He picks the team, so why pick Butland and Allen game after game if they don't produce the goods? Competition for places is needed here! He is also the motivator. In what kind of job won't you be partly to blame if you can decide all this and everything goes tits up? Its ok you're missing the point but do carry on.
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Post by BristolMick on Aug 23, 2019 7:57:58 GMT
I still think Jones will succeed at Stoke,but he needs to play to the players strengths,not force them to play a system that doesn't suit them. And if he doesn’t do that he won’t be here long. A good manager in any industry makes best use of the skills of the people he has rather than try and get the people to use skills they don’t have. Many a limited team has had success playing to everyone’s strengths and many a talented team has failed because they don’t. BM
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Post by BristolMick on Aug 23, 2019 8:18:52 GMT
We're bottom of a shit league full of shit teams who would dream of having some of our players. They'd also dream of having the budget that we have to spend on players of the manager's choice. Jones has thus far massively underachieved, same goes for Rowett before him. I know he’s been here since January but this summer he’s built his own team and we are just 4 games in. This run of 1 point from 4 games could happen and will happen to pretty much every team at some point in the season but when it happens in the first 4 games it just looks and feels worse. Since Hughes lost the plot Lambert, Rowett and now Jones have had to start rebuilding with the legacy of that and each has had to play with the last ones players. We can’t keep chopping and changing. There’s some fans that would sack the manager after every loss! Pulis got off to a dreadful start both times he was here yet some of the people who are his greatest disciples are not prepared to afford any manager since the same space to reshape. Truly successful managers often go backwards before they go forwards whether in football or any other business because first off they have to sort out the shit they’ve been left that got them the gig in the first place then they have to redesign everything and bring in new people and practices and then they have to be given time get everyone working to full capability. We all need to grow a pair of bollox and cope with the bad as well as the good. BM
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 8:27:56 GMT
We're bottom of a shit league full of shit teams who would dream of having some of our players. They'd also dream of having the budget that we have to spend on players of the manager's choice. Jones has thus far massively underachieved, same goes for Rowett before him. I know he’s been here since January but this summer he’s built his own team and we are just 4 games in. This run of 1 point from 4 games could happen and will happen to pretty much every team at some point in the season but when it happens in the first 4 games it just looks and feels worse. Since Hughes lost the plot Lambert, Rowett and now Jones have had to start rebuilding with the legacy of that and each has had to play with the last ones players. We can’t keep chopping and changing. There’s some fans that would sack the manager after every loss! Pulis got off to a dreadful start both times he was here yet some of the people who are his greatest disciples are not prepared to afford any manager since the same space to reshape. Truly successful managers often go backwards before they go forwards whether in football or any other business because first off they have to sort out the shit they’ve been left that got them the gig in the first place then they have to redesign everything and bring in new people and practices and then they have to be given time get everyone working to full capability. We all need to grow a pair of bollox and cope with the bad as well as the good. BM Well said Mick.
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Post by werrington on Aug 23, 2019 8:30:21 GMT
We're bottom of a shit league full of shit teams who would dream of having some of our players. They'd also dream of having the budget that we have to spend on players of the manager's choice. Jones has thus far massively underachieved, same goes for Rowett before him. I know he’s been here since January but this summer he’s built his own team and we are just 4 games in. This run of 1 point from 4 games could happen and will happen to pretty much every team at some point in the season but when it happens in the first 4 games it just looks and feels worse. Since Hughes lost the plot Lambert, Rowett and now Jones have had to start rebuilding with the legacy of that and each has had to play with the last ones players. We can’t keep chopping and changing. There’s some fans that would sack the manager after every loss! Pulis got off to a dreadful start both times he was here yet some of the people who are his greatest disciples are not prepared to afford any manager since the same space to reshape. Truly successful managers often go backwards before they go forwards whether in football or any other business because first off they have to sort out the shit they’ve been left that got them the gig in the first place then they have to redesign everything and bring in new people and practices and then they have to be given time get everyone working to full capability. We all need to grow a pair of bollox and cope with the bad as well as the good. BM Mate, Nathan Jones is taking the full brunt of the last 3 years and 4 managers later nothing in reality is changing It’s not so much him people are pissed off with it’s the whole sorry thing, 3 years of utter rancid football devoid of any ideas and 3/4/5 goals going past us at intervals so regular it’s beyond belief Supporters are sick to the back teeth but just happens to be the manager at this moment in time The QPR match was woeful bar the last 15 minutes and Preston was a new low and back to reality after all the hype Rallying calls to the fans are all well and good but after three years they’ve had enough Cmon Stoke
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Post by BristolMick on Aug 23, 2019 8:33:17 GMT
I know he’s been here since January but this summer he’s built his own team and we are just 4 games in. This run of 1 point from 4 games could happen and will happen to pretty much every team at some point in the season but when it happens in the first 4 games it just looks and feels worse. Since Hughes lost the plot Lambert, Rowett and now Jones have had to start rebuilding with the legacy of that and each has had to play with the last ones players. We can’t keep chopping and changing. There’s some fans that would sack the manager after every loss! Pulis got off to a dreadful start both times he was here yet some of the people who are his greatest disciples are not prepared to afford any manager since the same space to reshape. Truly successful managers often go backwards before they go forwards whether in football or any other business because first off they have to sort out the shit they’ve been left that got them the gig in the first place then they have to redesign everything and bring in new people and practices and then they have to be given time get everyone working to full capability. We all need to grow a pair of bollox and cope with the bad as well as the good. BM Mate, Nathan Jones is taking the full brunt of the last 3 years and 4 managers later nothing in reality is changing It’s not so much him people are pissed off with it’s the whole sorry thing, 3 years of utter rancid football devoid of any ideas and 3/4/5 goals going past us at intervals so regular it’s beyond belief Supporters are sick to the back teeth but just happens to be the manager at this moment in time The QPR match was woeful bar the last 15 minutes and Preston was a new low and back to reality after all the hype Rallying calls to the fans are all well and good but after three years they’ve had enough Cmon Stoke Can’t argue with any of that mate but does sacking Jones make it all good or just set us back AGAIN? BM
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 23, 2019 8:37:08 GMT
He is the man in charge. He chooses who to bring in. He decides tactics and formation. He picks the team, so why pick Butland and Allen game after game if they don't produce the goods? Competition for places is needed here! He is also the motivator. In what kind of job won't you be partly to blame if you can decide all this and everything goes tits up? You'd trust your experienced international professionals to pull it out of the bag especially on the back of the Derby performance which had everyone buzzing. He made one change (which people were calling for) and left it as was to build momentum with the same team bar one (which everyone was calling for). He now realises (post match interview) some people need pulling out of the firing line. I see Allen and Butland being dropped (which everyone is calling for). Right now that is exactly what he should do, drop both of them. Everybody at the club should know that if you don't produce the goods on the pitch you won't play the next game. This is real competition for places and as it really should be in my opinion.
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Post by werrington on Aug 23, 2019 8:38:35 GMT
Mate, Nathan Jones is taking the full brunt of the last 3 years and 4 managers later nothing in reality is changing It’s not so much him people are pissed off with it’s the whole sorry thing, 3 years of utter rancid football devoid of any ideas and 3/4/5 goals going past us at intervals so regular it’s beyond belief Supporters are sick to the back teeth but just happens to be the manager at this moment in time The QPR match was woeful bar the last 15 minutes and Preston was a new low and back to reality after all the hype Rallying calls to the fans are all well and good but after three years they’ve had enough Cmon Stoke Can’t argue with any of that mate but does sacking Jones make it all good or just set us back AGAIN? BM No it doesn’t mate but he just happens to be the one here and now so sadly that’s where the buck stops He’s got to grow some balls tomorrow and drop some leading players as that way the crowd will see he’s trying to do something, if he doesn’t and we play the same rancid way sadly he’ll get it both barrels from the crowd , if he does the crowd will get behind them Enough is enough...Over to you Nathan lad
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 23, 2019 8:44:21 GMT
He is the man in charge. He chooses who to bring in. He decides tactics and formation. He picks the team, so why pick Butland and Allen game after game if they don't produce the goods? Competition for places is needed here! He is also the motivator. In what kind of job won't you be partly to blame if you can decide all this and everything goes tits up? Its ok you're missing the point but do carry on. Do you then mean a manager should get unlimited time to correct things or what is really your point. He is the man in charge and must take his fair share of blame when things don't work out. It is also his job to replace players who don't perform to his standards, and this is where he has failed so far in my opinion. Most of us have been very dissatisfied by Allen's performances so far, but still he is picked for every game. The same could be said about Butland too. When you don't deliver it's time for a rest to give other players a chance to shine. This is real competition and nothing else.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 23, 2019 9:04:57 GMT
Its ok you're missing the point but do carry on. Do you then mean a manager should get unlimited time to correct things or what is really your point. He is the man in charge and must take his fair share of blame when things don't work out. It is also his job to replace players who don't perform to his standards, and this is where he has failed so far in my opinion. Most of us have been very dissatisfied by Allen's performances so far, but still he is picked for every game. The same could be said about Butland too. When you don't deliver it's time for a rest to give other players a chance to shine. This is real competition and nothing else. Two players for every position apparently
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Post by werrington on Aug 23, 2019 9:06:57 GMT
Do you then mean a manager should get unlimited time to correct things or what is really your point. He is the man in charge and must take his fair share of blame when things don't work out. It is also his job to replace players who don't perform to his standards, and this is where he has failed so far in my opinion. Most of us have been very dissatisfied by Allen's performances so far, but still he is picked for every game. The same could be said about Butland too. When you don't deliver it's time for a rest to give other players a chance to shine. This is real competition and nothing else. Two players for every position apparently There is, he’s just not dropping certain individuals to give the other bloke a chance Although he did on Wednesday at right back
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Post by Davef on Aug 23, 2019 9:22:53 GMT
Two players for every position apparently There is, he’s just not dropping certain individuals to give the other bloke a chance Although he did on Wednesday at right back I'm not convinced he did. Smith was injured during the Derby game and may not have been 100% for the Preston game.
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 23, 2019 9:29:50 GMT
Its ok you're missing the point but do carry on. Do you then mean a manager should get unlimited time to correct things or what is really your point. He is the man in charge and must take his fair share of blame when things don't work out. It is also his job to replace players who don't perform to his standards, and this is where he has failed so far in my opinion. Most of us have been very dissatisfied by Allen's performances so far, but still he is picked for every game. The same could be said about Butland too. When you don't deliver it's time for a rest to give other players a chance to shine. This is real competition and nothing else. Rob your just open to my point, at no time have I said NJ is beyond critisym and rightly he has had some. My point is simple he trains the players and picks what he thinks is the best side based on that. There is no other way to pick a side train and see who works best. IF his best team then fucks it up in real games it's not his fault. He then makes changes again with his "best" side and they fuck it up it's not his fault. Yes he picks the team and picked most of his squad but if they let him down is it his fault or theirs. We have performed well and there were promising signs BUT we have a disastrous keeper and shocking individual errors throwing games away. It's not the formation it's not the fitness or anything other than individual players NOT being professional in doing their job. He's made changes in most if not all of his games what more can he do if they train well look good in training but fuck it up in league games. His squad should be good enough, experienced pro's with no shortage or quality. At some point one of two things has to happen either his team starts to gell and perform in which case happy days or if they don't he changes to try and find a team that will. Now after all that we still give games away then fine you look at the manager AND players. 99% of the time the manager gets the sack but we then have to start all over again with the same excuses. All I'm saying is there ARE signs about our play that look good and we have battered teams and looked like the only winner's. Derby, Charlton and to some extent QPR. We should have won all three but again the players and I'm pointing my finger at Butland on this let him down with childish mistakes THEY should be slaughtered for. So yes NJ fucked up ala Woods at Charlton which he said himself but you can't judge him by a different standard than the players. Somebody said on this thread he's not bothered about how they train it's on the pitch that counts which is true but how can he pick a team without basing it on training it's ridiculous. So yeah slag NJ off all you want for things he is directly responsible for but not for wank players cluster fucking him over with ineptitude. 4 games in and NJ is binning Jack about time. He chose Edwards over Smith, He chose Gregory over Vokes, he chose to ditch Benik he's trying to find his team despite his first choice letting him down. That's my point..... We can't sack him yet give the lad a chance it not ALL his fault being honest only at Charlton did he make a blatant mistake and he coughed to it,I don't recall many managers willing to say that.
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Post by nottsover60 on Aug 23, 2019 9:45:59 GMT
Unless we are in big danger of relegation at Christmas we have to stick with Jones for the season. Regardless of the fact that I like him and the football he is trying to play we have no other option. It is now widely apparent that the playing side of the club at least is in a complete mess. Which aspiring manager or manager with a good reputation would risk his career at Stoke? We have already wrecked the reputation of Rowett, and sack Jones his too. We can't pay a Premiership wage. Much though I dread us offering the post to Pulis I suspect even he would not be interested. The best we can do is support the team and Jones and hope it turns for them. A hostile, negative crowd will only further damage our club's reputation. The one positive to the club's reputation at the moment is the patient, supportive and passionate crowd. On a side note if the rumours of us appointing the Brighton bloke to replace Cartwright are true that is another indication that Jones is here for the long run.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 9:47:34 GMT
Unless we are in big danger of relegation at Christmas we have to stick with Jones for the season. Regardless of the fact that I like him and the football he is trying to play we have no other option. It is now widely apparent that the playing side of the club at least is in a complete mess. Which aspiring manager or manager with a good reputation would risk his career at Stoke? We have already wrecked the reputation of Rowett, and sack Jones his too. We can't pay a Premiership wage. Much though I dread us offering the post to Pulis I suspect even he would not be interested. The best we can do is support the team and Jones and hope it turns for them. A hostile, negative crowd will only further damage our club's reputation. The one positive to the club's reputation at the moment is the patient, supportive and passionate crowd. On a side note if the rumours of us appointing the Brighton bloke to replace Cartwright are true that is another indication that Jones is here for the long run. Rowett was given £50m and blew it. In no way did we wreck his reputation. That was all on him. Jones is the same, he's been backed, if he fails to walk the walk that is on him.
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Post by Davef on Aug 23, 2019 9:48:35 GMT
Unless we are in big danger of relegation at Christmas we have to stick with Jones for the season. Regardless of the fact that I like him and the football he is trying to play we have no other option. It is now widely apparent that the playing side of the club at least is in a complete mess. Which aspiring manager or manager with a good reputation would risk his career at Stoke? We have already wrecked the reputation of Rowett, and sack Jones his too. We can't pay a Premiership wage. Much though I dread us offering the post to Pulis I suspect even he would not be interested. The best we can do is support the team and Jones and hope it turns for them. A hostile, negative crowd will only further damage our club's reputation. The one positive to the club's reputation at the moment is the patient, supportive and passionate crowd. On a side note if the rumours of us appointing the Brighton bloke to replace Cartwright are true that is another indication that Jones is here for the long run. WE wrecked Rowett's reputation? The man was handed £50M!!!!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 23, 2019 9:53:47 GMT
Mate, Nathan Jones is taking the full brunt of the last 3 years and 4 managers later nothing in reality is changing It’s not so much him people are pissed off with it’s the whole sorry thing, 3 years of utter rancid football devoid of any ideas and 3/4/5 goals going past us at intervals so regular it’s beyond belief Supporters are sick to the back teeth but just happens to be the manager at this moment in time The QPR match was woeful bar the last 15 minutes and Preston was a new low and back to reality after all the hype Rallying calls to the fans are all well and good but after three years they’ve had enough Cmon Stoke Can’t argue with any of that mate but does sacking Jones make it all good or just set us back AGAIN? BM I cant argue against either of you but rather than Jones taking the full brunt of the dismal last 4 years, I'd like to see the venom going in the right direction...namely the players and a CEO who is on holiday during the transfer window. Sacking Jones at this point simply sets us back even further.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 9:56:13 GMT
Can’t argue with any of that mate but does sacking Jones make it all good or just set us back AGAIN? BM I cant argue against either of you but rather than Jones taking the full brunt of the dismal last 4 years, I'd like to see the venom going in the right direction...namely the players and a CEO who is on holiday during the transfer window. Sacking Jones at this point simply sets us back even further. What players! The bad ones have all gone! Maybe we should start supporting our players when the managers hanging them out to dry in a system they aren't suited to? Allen and Butland are having absolute mares but anyone that questions their professional or effort is barking mad.
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 23, 2019 9:59:10 GMT
I cant argue against either of you but rather than Jones taking the full brunt of the dismal last 4 years, I'd like to see the venom going in the right direction...namely the players and a CEO who is on holiday during the transfer window. Sacking Jones at this point simply sets us back even further. What players! The bad ones have all gone! Maybe we should start supporting our players when the managers hanging them out to dry in a system they aren't suited to? Allen and Butland are having absolute mares but anyone that questions their professional or effort is barking mad. Both those are getting pelters on here so that's not correct is it. If it's any consolation on that point I don't think your mad at all..
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 23, 2019 9:59:21 GMT
I know he’s been here since January but this summer he’s built his own team and we are just 4 games in. This run of 1 point from 4 games could happen and will happen to pretty much every team at some point in the season but when it happens in the first 4 games it just looks and feels worse. Since Hughes lost the plot Lambert, Rowett and now Jones have had to start rebuilding with the legacy of that and each has had to play with the last ones players. We can’t keep chopping and changing. There’s some fans that would sack the manager after every loss! Pulis got off to a dreadful start both times he was here yet some of the people who are his greatest disciples are not prepared to afford any manager since the same space to reshape. Truly successful managers often go backwards before they go forwards whether in football or any other business because first off they have to sort out the shit they’ve been left that got them the gig in the first place then they have to redesign everything and bring in new people and practices and then they have to be given time get everyone working to full capability. We all need to grow a pair of bollox and cope with the bad as well as the good. BM Mate, Nathan Jones is taking the full brunt of the last 3 years and 4 managers later nothing in reality is changing
It’s not so much him people are pissed off with it’s the whole sorry thing, 3 years of utter rancid football devoid of any ideas and 3/4/5 goals going past us at intervals so regular it’s beyond belief Supporters are sick to the back teeth but just happens to be the manager at this moment in time The QPR match was woeful bar the last 15 minutes and Preston was a new low and back to reality after all the hype Rallying calls to the fans are all well and good but after three years they’ve had enough Cmon Stoke Yes, but surely what happened in between was some of our best football for a very long time. True in reality the results haven't improved, but there was a lot of promise in those performances with all the shooting chances created. In few inches difference in some shots that hit the bar or were blocked by defenders and we could be comfortably sitting mid-table despite the results against QPR and Preston. For some reason our players are error strewn, letting in goals and missing sitters including a penalty, and it's hard for any many to correct that. Having said that the performance against Preston was as bad as anything we have experienced in recent years and I can only put it down to players losing heart with Jack's errors and not keeping focused on basics like marking, passing and shooting.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 10:02:43 GMT
What players! The bad ones have all gone! Maybe we should start supporting our players when the managers hanging them out to dry in a system they aren't suited to? Allen and Butland are having absolute mares but anyone that questions their professional or effort is barking mad. Both those are getting pelters on here so that's not correct is it. If it's any consolation on that point I don't think your mad at all.. I don't know what you're on about now? He said blame the players for the last 4 years - the only ones we have that have been here are Allen and Butland? They are having a shocker I don't dispute it but they don't deserve the venom of the last for years as the poster suggested! I'm sick of everyone blaming our players. Last year, yes, they didn't look arsed. This year they have been trying until their heads went at Preston. You can't keep buying 11 players a transfer window because you have a manager who can do fuck all with them (including the ones he bought)!
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Post by werrington on Aug 23, 2019 10:12:13 GMT
Mate, Nathan Jones is taking the full brunt of the last 3 years and 4 managers later nothing in reality is changing
It’s not so much him people are pissed off with it’s the whole sorry thing, 3 years of utter rancid football devoid of any ideas and 3/4/5 goals going past us at intervals so regular it’s beyond belief Supporters are sick to the back teeth but just happens to be the manager at this moment in time The QPR match was woeful bar the last 15 minutes and Preston was a new low and back to reality after all the hype Rallying calls to the fans are all well and good but after three years they’ve had enough Cmon Stoke Yes, but surely what happened in between was some of our best football for a very long time. True in reality the results haven't improved, but there was a lot of promise in those performances with all the shooting chances created. In few inches difference in some shots that hit the bar or were blocked by defenders and we could be comfortably sitting mid-table despite the results against QPR and Preston. For some reason our players are error strewn, letting in goals and missing sitters including a penalty, and it's hard for any many to correct that. Having said that the performance against Preston was as bad as anything we have experienced in recent years and I can only put it down to players losing heart with Jack's errors and not keeping focused on basics like marking, passing and shooting. Jacks errors only occurred because of the appalling state of events that led to the shots at goal, to blame him is quite sad tbh mate ...he was probably 40% to blame for those goals I’m not saying sack jones but I can see why people are losing it ....it’s an ongoing shambles that’s now 3 years down the line One or two good performances aren’t enough to justify sticking with managers ...consistent ones are The fans have had enough and sadly it’s Jones in the firing line
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