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Post by kooks1987 on Aug 22, 2019 8:16:43 GMT
Listen,can we just get behind the bloke... If pro footballers cant adapt to a system or shape then thats on THEM. 4 Managers now these shithouse players have got the sack and still its not them its the gaffer!! We need to stick with and support jones... Fuck these charalatan chancers,make it known we are with the manager. They will have nowhwere to hide then,we cannot keep sacking managers because of toss players who dont want to be here!! Keep the faith,rant over.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 8:19:28 GMT
Listen,can we just get behind the bloke... If pro footballers cant adapt to a system or shape then thats on THEM. 4 Managers now these shithouse players have got the sack and still its not them its the gaffer!! We need to stick with and support jones... Fuck these charalatan chancers,make it known we are with the manager. They will have nowhwere to hide then,we cannot keep sacking managers because of toss players who dont want to be here!! Keep the faith,rant over. Oh wake up FFS.
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Post by wrighter on Aug 22, 2019 8:21:14 GMT
Listen,can we just get behind the bloke... If pro footballers cant adapt to a system or shape then thats on THEM. 4 Managers now these shithouse players have got the sack and still its not them its the gaffer!! We need to stick with and support jones... Fuck these charalatan chancers,make it known we are with the manager. They will have nowhwere to hide then,we cannot keep sacking managers because of toss players who dont want to be here!! Keep the faith,rant over. Well said
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Post by Squeekster on Aug 22, 2019 8:21:33 GMT
Listen,can we just get behind the bloke... If pro footballers cant adapt to a system or shape then thats on THEM. 4 Managers now these shithouse players have got the sack and still its not them its the gaffer!! We need to stick with and support jones... Fuck these charalatan chancers,make it known we are with the manager. They will have nowhwere to hide then,we cannot keep sacking managers because of toss players who dont want to be here!! Keep the faith,rant over. So if he puts Jo Allen in goal and he fails it's Jo's fault and not his?
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Post by kooks1987 on Aug 22, 2019 8:22:38 GMT
Listen,can we just get behind the bloke... If pro footballers cant adapt to a system or shape then thats on THEM. 4 Managers now these shithouse players have got the sack and still its not them its the gaffer!! We need to stick with and support jones... Fuck these charalatan chancers,make it known we are with the manager. They will have nowhwere to hide then,we cannot keep sacking managers because of toss players who dont want to be here!! Keep the faith,rant over. Oh wake up FFS. You just carry on sucking the players off then,who have been shit for 3 YEARS.
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Post by jwhpotter on Aug 22, 2019 8:23:34 GMT
I agree - actually feel sorry for NJ
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Post by kooks1987 on Aug 22, 2019 8:24:17 GMT
Listen,can we just get behind the bloke... If pro footballers cant adapt to a system or shape then thats on THEM. 4 Managers now these shithouse players have got the sack and still its not them its the gaffer!! We need to stick with and support jones... Fuck these charalatan chancers,make it known we are with the manager. They will have nowhwere to hide then,we cannot keep sacking managers because of toss players who dont want to be here!! Keep the faith,rant over. So if he puts Jo Allen in goal and he fails it's Jo's fault and not his? Dont be so ridiculous,what a pathetic comment. You know exactly what i meant
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 22, 2019 8:24:19 GMT
If Jones keeps picking certain players based on how they are performing, when there are viable alternatives, he's writing his own suicide note. Independent of any debates on formation, systems and structure.
I say that as someone who likes Jones too, he has to recognise it or he will rightly be sacked.
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 22, 2019 8:27:12 GMT
Listen,can we just get behind the bloke... If pro footballers cant adapt to a system or shape then thats on THEM. 4 Managers now these shithouse players have got the sack and still its not them its the gaffer!! We need to stick with and support jones... Fuck these charalatan chancers,make it known we are with the manager. They will have nowhwere to hide then,we cannot keep sacking managers because of toss players who dont want to be here!! Keep the faith,rant over. So if he puts Jo Allen in goal and he fails it's Jo's fault and not his? If it's a choice between him and Jack I'll go with Allen.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 8:27:57 GMT
You just carry on sucking the players off then,who have been shit for 3 YEARS. He’s bought 11 players. 11! None of whom are any better than what we had. And then he’s playing them in a system they aren’t suited to. Not all systems suit all players!
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Aug 22, 2019 8:28:23 GMT
So if he puts Jo Allen in goal and he fails it's Jo's fault and not his? If it's a choice between him and Jack I'll go with Allen. I think I'd prefer Dave Allen in goal mate. 😁
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Post by kooks1987 on Aug 22, 2019 8:30:04 GMT
You just carry on sucking the players off then,who have been shit for 3 YEARS. He’s bought 11 players. 11! None of whom are any better than what we had. And then he’s playing them in a system they aren’t suited to. Not all systems suit all players! The new players have had 4 games... Wake up FFS.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 22, 2019 8:30:16 GMT
It's not Jones my arse. Who the fuck is it then?
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Post by Squeekster on Aug 22, 2019 8:30:17 GMT
So if he puts Jo Allen in goal and he fails it's Jo's fault and not his? Dont be so ridiculous,what a pathetic comment. You know exactly what i meant Why is it? Square pegs in round holes some can adapt and some can't, What's ridiculous are all these post making out Jones is blamelss needs more time blah blah blah.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Aug 22, 2019 8:30:39 GMT
It is a lot of things - there are some very deep rooted issues that are discussed to death, such as recruitment, the match day experience and so on and so forth.
However Mr Jones does not help himself by
a) sticking with a system they cant adapt to
b) not dropping players who it is as clear as day at best need a rest
c) not addressing key positions in the transfer window that suit his own system
d) recruiting a very mixed bunch who to the naked eye one struggles to see how half of them would suit his system (and so far dont)
I fear the stench of the club, the seemingly 'what is all the fuss about' mantra still prevailing, key personnel on and off the pitch still here all culminate in Mr Jones looking more and more out of his depth
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 22, 2019 8:30:50 GMT
I still think Jones will succeed at Stoke,but he needs to play to the players strengths,not force them to play a system that doesn't suit them.
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Post by Squeekster on Aug 22, 2019 8:31:21 GMT
If it's a choice between him and Jack I'll go with Allen. I think I'd prefer Dave Allen in goal mate. 😁 With that finger missing , no chance!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 8:31:45 GMT
He's signed,what is it,12 players ? It's his squad, he's responsible for the team selection,the tactics and the results. If a player is shit you drop him !
We have been in a downward spiral for nearly 4 years,with different players in that time.It's not looking like Jones is the man to stop that unless there's a dramatic turn around very very soon.
His 1st step has to be to drop players who aren't performing,no matter how big their reputation. Butland,Allen and Batth have to be dropped as a starting point.The diamond has to be ditched,these players can't play it effectively. Continue to make the same mistakes and expect a different outcome is the sign of a madman
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 22, 2019 8:31:51 GMT
I like Jones, I'd stick with him for a little longer yet, and I think this season it has been basic mistakes that have cost us, but really, he isn't helping himself. I understand why he criticised Jack last night but he also dig out the players generally and I'm never sure that's a good idea in public, especially the weekend after a half-decent performance when he's come out and basically given himself all the credit and used "I" and "me" and "that's what I do" a lot.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 22, 2019 8:34:51 GMT
I like Jones, I'd stick with him for a little longer yet, and I think this season it has been basic mistakes that have cost us, but really, he isn't helping himself. I understand why he criticised Jack last night but he also dig out the players generally and I'm never sure that's a good idea in public, especially the weekend after a half-decent performance when he's come out and basically given himself all the credit and used "I" and "me" and "that's what I do" a lot. I can't countenance him surviving a pasting on Saturday, Rob. it would defy all logic and norms of football.....so at Stoke he probably will!
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Post by nottsover60 on Aug 22, 2019 8:37:08 GMT
I don't think it's Jones fault and would love him to succeed. He can't do anything to legislate for the inept mistakes the players are making and he's in a Catch 22 situation - drop them and further damage their confidence or show his confidence in them by picking them and hope they improve as a result.
The one thing I'm sure of is that there is a huge lack of confidence throughout the team. My worry is that Nathan's emotional, heart on the sleeve, speak the truth, hyperactive personality does not help to instill confidence. Look at his finger nails. Do they speak of somebody who isn't worried? I wonder if the players almost try too hard cos I'm sure they like him and want him to stay. Perhaps a little more laid back appearance especially on the outside would help.
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Post by henry55 on Aug 22, 2019 8:40:57 GMT
There is no such thing as bad Indians - only bad chiefs
The buck should always stop with the chief (in this case the management)
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 22, 2019 8:41:52 GMT
It's not Jones my arse. Who the fuck is it then? Yeah it does make me laugh when people say it’s the players fault. It’s not the players fault that they are either utterly talentless or unable to play in the managers system. On the pitch Jones is absolutely to blame. Where I feel for him is behind the scenes. He’s dealing with an archaic board who seem to be living in the dark ages. In any other £200 million business, a CEO would be fired after 2 years of consistent failure, let alone 5 years of abject garbage in our case. Scholes needs to go, Coates probably needs to call it a day and Jones probably has to go. Not based on last nights game but over the course of the past 30 games where he’s made wretched substitutions on a weekly basis and continued to play a system dependant on pace with no pace. I mean for fuck sake we don’t even have anyone who can take a good corner anymore or someone who can beat a man. Tragic stuff.
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Post by liamo on Aug 22, 2019 8:43:09 GMT
It's not to an extent.. has anyone else questioned why so many of our recent managers haven't been able to bring in the players that suits the system they play?
There's issues higher up than Jones, the way we run the club suits the Tony Pulis' of the world, not the Nathan Jones
I have no idea how recruitment works at Stoke but I know 100% that that squad was not picked by Jones just by comparing how we play to how Luton played under him
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Post by silsdenstokie on Aug 22, 2019 8:45:02 GMT
Nowt like burying your head in the sand
There's enough quality in that squad for a half decent manager to adapt a system that suits them and would get results
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 22, 2019 8:46:56 GMT
It's not Jones my arse. Who the fuck is it then? Butland.
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Post by fentonstokie1 on Aug 22, 2019 8:46:56 GMT
Listen,can we just get behind the bloke... If pro footballers cant adapt to a system or shape then thats on THEM. 4 Managers now these shithouse players have got the sack and still its not them its the gaffer!! We need to stick with and support jones... Fuck these charalatan chancers,make it known we are with the manager. They will have nowhwere to hide then,we cannot keep sacking managers because of toss players who dont want to be here!! Keep the faith,rant over. Players that by his own admission Jones signed and players already there who continually let us down yet he keeps picking anyway. As Liam Lawrence said last night, "we cannot defend from the front and when possession breaks down we get turned over far to easy", that is because a third of our regular starting eleven are too feeble in the tackle and couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 22, 2019 8:47:32 GMT
I like Jones, I'd stick with him for a little longer yet, and I think this season it has been basic mistakes that have cost us, but really, he isn't helping himself. I understand why he criticised Jack last night but he also dig out the players generally and I'm never sure that's a good idea in public, especially the weekend after a half-decent performance when he's come out and basically given himself all the credit and used "I" and "me" and "that's what I do" a lot. I can't countenance him surviving a pasting on Saturday, Rob. it would defy all logic and norms of football.....so at Stoke he probably will! Lose by three or more again and it'll be very difficult for him I agree mate.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 22, 2019 8:48:02 GMT
As much time as you want to give him/it this diamond has to start working quickly or the feeling around the club is going to go down bank, quickly.
He may not be the problem but he has to be the solution and if it's not working he has to find something that does
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 8:48:26 GMT
He’s bought 11 players. 11! None of whom are any better than what we had. And then he’s playing them in a system they aren’t suited to. Not all systems suit all players! The new players have had 4 games... Wake up FFS. He’s literally made us worse. He’s not playing most of the players he’s sign. Why is that? Because they aren’t any better than what we had. I don’t understand how anyone can possibly justify him in the slightest at the moment. And I’m not having it that all our players are bad eggs. Allen and Butland have been having a mare but he’s hanging the rest out to dry in a system they can’t play and never will be able to play. He’s taken one of the best defences in the league and tore it to shred. Why? For a ducking diamond.
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