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Post by kustokie on Aug 21, 2019 23:46:35 GMT
Every manager since Hughes has had less experience and achieved less than their predecessor after they took over. This may be the best we can do. We are literally and figuratively at rock bottom.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 21, 2019 23:53:47 GMT
He definitely won't go I agree, it'll take a few more defeats I'm sure. Out of interest who would your choice of replacement be considering who's available? I'm desperately hoping that it won't come to that. But you've got to think that Hughton would be interested in the job if he doesn't ultimately end up at Huddersfield. I'm fairly certain he'd be top of the club's list. I wonder if Jones loses the next couple of games and if it looks as though they could lose Hughton to Huddersfield imminently whether that could speed up Jones sacking.
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Post by bloodtypered on Aug 21, 2019 23:55:33 GMT
YES
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Post by kustokie on Aug 21, 2019 23:59:37 GMT
His rants on Saturday and again today suggest he has lost control of the situation and has run out of ideas. Singling players in public did the last guy in and it may well signal the beginning of the end for Jones as well. I anticipate chants “you don’t know what you’re doing” on Saturday and they would not be far off the mark.
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Post by StokieBoy31 on Aug 22, 2019 0:27:32 GMT
Give him the season, we won’t be promotion contenders with certain players that don’t want to play for us anyway. We can’t just keep sacking managers.
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Post by Scrotnig on Aug 22, 2019 0:29:59 GMT
Give him the season, we won’t be promotion contenders with certain players that don’t want to play for us anyway. We can’t just keep sacking managers. How do we then go about getting out of League 1?
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Post by kustokie on Aug 22, 2019 0:37:54 GMT
Give him the season, we won’t be promotion contenders with certain players that don’t want to play for us anyway. We can’t just keep sacking managers. How do we then go about getting out of League 1? Relegation to league 2. It’s that bad right now.
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Post by StokieBoy31 on Aug 22, 2019 0:55:18 GMT
Give him the season, we won’t be promotion contenders with certain players that don’t want to play for us anyway. We can’t just keep sacking managers. How do we then go about getting out of League 1? If he changes the formation to a 4-2-3-1 then we will finish mid table. We’ll just have to wait and see if he’s stubborn
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Post by NassauDave on Aug 22, 2019 2:27:01 GMT
No.
He is hopelessly out of his league and needs to go ASAP.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 2:41:14 GMT
We keep hearing about his abysmal record. Apparently that is because he hasn't had "his own players". When he took the job on, he knew what he had. He knew what players he had. their strengths and weaknesses. He should have made the best use of what he had, until he could get "his own players". He didn't do that. Is a good manager a one trick pony that can only play one system? I think not.
He now has his own players and it still isn't working.
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 22, 2019 3:05:20 GMT
Every manager since Hughes has had less experience and achieved less than their predecessor after they took over. This may be the best we can do. We are literally and figuratively at rock bottom. No, just figuratively
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Post by starkiller on Aug 22, 2019 3:09:23 GMT
Jones is a genuine guy.
The mercenaries have destroyed this club, as they have to many ex-Premier clubs. And will continue to do the same to others in the future. I had hoped we'd be savvy enough to avoid this.
Nevertheless, it takes someone really special to sort such a mess, and Jones isn't that guy.
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Post by besty on Aug 22, 2019 4:19:27 GMT
No. Take responsibility, sick of this god willing shit. Do your job. Q
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Post by stokiepoe on Aug 22, 2019 4:33:25 GMT
I am 100% but he needs to make big decisions. Butland and Allen should be nowhere near the starting XI on Saturday. It does't get any easier with Leeds up next, twice. 100% with you on that pal, Butlands confidence looks shot and/or wants a move away and I’ve got no idea what Joe Allen brings to the table
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 4:42:28 GMT
it's only four games, but we've conceded 10. This trajectory is 115 goals against this season. Two wins in a total of 25 games. This trajectory is 3-4 wins this season. Ipswich Town, with Lambo at the helm in the second half of the season.....
He surely hasn't got long to show something.
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Post by christhepotter on Aug 22, 2019 4:54:41 GMT
No he’s got to go
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Post by heworksardtho on Aug 22, 2019 5:00:06 GMT
We are sinking fast , he’s got ten games ,things are looking dire
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Post by heworksardtho on Aug 22, 2019 5:02:10 GMT
I am 100% but he needs to make big decisions. Butland and Allen should be nowhere near the starting XI on Saturday. It does't get any easier with Leeds up next, twice. 100% with you on that pal, Butlands confidence looks shot and/or wants a move away and I’ve got no idea what Joe Allen brings to the table What gets me with Allen is what did Liverpool see in him , he’s playing for us like a fan whose won a competition to play for stoke for a season
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Post by whakka on Aug 22, 2019 5:03:30 GMT
The problems will still be here what ever manager we get. I believe we have the right man in charge and we need start thinking about why some senior players just ain't giving there all.
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Post by Ryan_Shawjosh on Aug 22, 2019 5:12:56 GMT
The problems will still be here what ever manager we get. I believe we have the right man in charge and we need start thinking about why some senior players just ain't giving there all. I was going to post but this sums up was I was going to say. We've had enough managers to know that the players are the problem. Anyone who thinks they should be in the Premier league instead of being at Stoke, should go. It's irrelevant if they say they're giving their all for Stoke (not that many have said that) but if they think they should be at a higher level, they're naturally not going to be happy and won't perform. I've been most impressed this season with the likes of Gregory and Hogan. They've come from the lower leagues and have that hunger to do well at this level. They're not players who are more interested in their international careers than they are in performing for the club that pays them their salaries.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 5:13:30 GMT
I've been right behind him and willing to give him time. I always thought this season would be another one of consolidation where we'd finish 7th to 10th, and then we'd have a real crack at promotion in '20-'21. Having seen the pathetic performances this season, and especially tonight, I'm worried we're going to be stuck in a relegation battle all season.
Jones looks completely out of his depth on the touchline and unable to change things. His subs have been questionable bordering on ludicrous, and it seems clear the players haven't got a clue what they're supposed to be doing. I'm getting sick of hearing his pre-match pressers about how good things are, only to witness yet another debacle in the next game.
He needs to change from his bloody diamond, drop the likes of Butland, Batth, Allen, Ince, Clucas etc, or he needs to go now. I can't see him changing things though so on balance think it would be best if we get rid.
I think it's just a matter of a few games (maybe Saturday) till the crowd really turn against him and he's sacked but who the hell will the Board bring in to replace him - that's probably just as worrying as keeping Jones.
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Post by stonescfc on Aug 22, 2019 5:19:07 GMT
I’m not anymore and it kills me to say it. I desperately wanted NJ to be the man who led us out of the darkness and work the same magic he did at Luton on us. Young, British, what he did at Luton on his CV, likes his clothes, talked the talk, passionate, engaged with the support, Christian (can’t help to have God on your side). With a very heavy heart I think the size of the task of sorting the shit out at Stoke is too big for him. He’s got the back end of Mark Hughes’s transfer nuclear meltdown and Rowett’s squad to contend with and he doesn’t seem to have helped himself with some of his signings. In my view NJ is a genuine guy who will go and do a good job elsewhere in league 1 or 2 but sorting out Stoke City was always going to be a bridge too far for him. We need some fucking old school horrible bastard like Warnock (a bit of sick came up as I wrote this) to take the wheel or someone who like Hughton. Tony Scholes also needs to take off his Harry Potter cloak of Teflon, take some fucking responsibility and resign.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 22, 2019 5:25:02 GMT
When the players go on the pitch I'm behind them and want them to do well. Do I think Jones can be the man to make that happen? Nah, I have zero belief in him.
I'm struggling to see how anyone can defend him now.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Aug 22, 2019 5:38:50 GMT
I don’t think Jones is responsible for Butland’s incredibly poor performance where he should have made two routine saves but instead we find ourselves 2-0 down.
I didn’t think the subs did us any favours but he’s right in that we’re giving up many chances it’s just poor errors that are costing us. It sounds like he’s going to drop Butland and if drops one or two others like Allen then we’ll be fine in the long run.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 22, 2019 5:50:57 GMT
I'm gutted about Jones. I really believed in him. I wasn't bothered the results were bad last season.
Then the summer window happened and we can all see he totally ignored all our problems.
Its clear now that last season the results were bad because he just doesn't know what he's doing.things are getting worse.
If we want to stay up we need to sack him and bring Hughton in asap. Coates senior looked really pissed off last night. After the subs we looked even more of a shambles.
It was embarrassing as it has got this last 4 years.
Stoke can easily keep dropping until we put people in place who can make the right decisions.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 22, 2019 5:53:44 GMT
The problems will still be here what ever manager we get. I believe we have the right man in charge and we need start thinking about why some senior players just ain't giving there all. The players on the pitch clearly give there all. The shape and formation is totally wrong
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Post by Trouserdog on Aug 22, 2019 5:57:58 GMT
Win one of Leeds or Birmingham and I think we should stick with him (the League Cup game's irrelevant).
Two more bad performances and we simply have to get rid of him before it's too late.
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Post by wilcopotter on Aug 22, 2019 6:04:08 GMT
Reality is, we finished 16 th last season and recruited mainly bottom half Championship/ League One players. No surprise really we are struggling like this. Hope it turns around, but judging Jones body language on television he looks lost.
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Post by christhepotter on Aug 22, 2019 6:05:21 GMT
We are sinking fast , he’s got ten games ,things are looking dire Give him 10 games and our season will be over
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Post by malteser68 on Aug 22, 2019 6:18:45 GMT
Jones out immediately
Go get Hughton
This has been a failed experiment
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