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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 21:54:02 GMT
No. It's a damn shame that he hasn't turned out to be able to manage as well as he talks.
Tonight's performance was a new level of wank and his record since joining spells only one thing, and that's relegation.
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 21, 2019 21:56:09 GMT
I still maintain you have to give him at least 10 games. Tonight was a real shocker but last Saturday I saw promising signs. He certainly can't be afforded any more shit shows like tonight though. He's certainly under pressure. So if we lose the next 5 your still going to give him 5 more???? Realistically your not giving him 10 games are you. Is 1/5 enough? 4 losses? I don't think so either, anything less than + points to games ratio and he has to go doesn't he? So it's max 5 from me, lose the next 2 tho and I think he will be gone You have to give him time, he's signed a shed full of players and you have to give him the time to integrate those players into his system. If you sack him a new manager will want his own players and we're left with dross from the reign of Hughes, Rowett and Jones. You can't keep sacking the manager. Tonight was the worst performance of the season and it really was shit but last Saturday was promising. We can't keep sacking managers!!
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Post by loosestools on Aug 21, 2019 21:56:47 GMT
Its a no from me. And I actually think he a nice man, but results are results and point make prizes.
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Post by shipshape on Aug 21, 2019 21:58:19 GMT
Only just. He needs to change it now. Talk is cheap
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Post by citynickscfc on Aug 21, 2019 21:59:04 GMT
So if we lose the next 5 your still going to give him 5 more???? Realistically your not giving him 10 games are you. Is 1/5 enough? 4 losses? I don't think so either, anything less than + points to games ratio and he has to go doesn't he? So it's max 5 from me, lose the next 2 tho and I think he will be gone You have to give him time, he's signed a shed full of players and you have to give him the time to integrate those players into his system. If you sack him a new manager will want his own players and we're left with dross from the reign of Hughes, Rowett and Jones. You can't keep sacking the manager. Tonight was the worst performance of the season and it really was shit but last Saturday was promising. We can't keep sacking managers!! There's always a promising game in 10 isn't there, yes 1/10.... The new players should be out of the blocks and full of energy and adrenaline... Did someone forget to check the football manager speed or agility ratings of these new signings? We still play a midfield from rowetts days... How will that suffice? It won't change by magic
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Post by chuckrocky on Aug 21, 2019 21:59:50 GMT
Yes, but I’ve gone from being a full on Jones rimmer to being about two more poor results away from demanding the axe.
I still think the diamond would work if we had recruited better. Like Rowett, it could well be a poor summer of recruitment that costs Jones.
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Post by wakeypotter on Aug 21, 2019 22:00:59 GMT
You don’t give a shit about Scfc then
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Post by wakeypotter on Aug 21, 2019 22:02:51 GMT
I am it's not his fault he's playing with 10 men, we've played some good stuff. He just needs to dump our catastrophic keeper for Davies and the goals against reduces by at least one every game. We can't compete from -1 all the time, they start well and the first shot is let in Jack is not doing anything to help in fact he's having the opposite effect. He picks the team
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Post by musik on Aug 21, 2019 22:03:41 GMT
A double vs Leeds
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Post by joll1 on Aug 21, 2019 22:05:08 GMT
I don’t expect anything from the Leeds matches but if we don’t win one out of the next three and see a dramatic improvement then he’s gotta go for me.
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Post by ethers26 on Aug 21, 2019 22:05:23 GMT
If only to prove the pessimists wrong.
Our fans have become exactly what we hated 10 years ago and I'm genuinely gutted about that.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 21, 2019 22:06:14 GMT
I'll still back him if he shows some balls and drops joe allen
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Post by silverdollar on Aug 21, 2019 22:07:58 GMT
People will know that I have been a big advocat of Nathan Jones and personally I have seen clear evidence that he was changing things and starting to move the club forward again. That was clear to see until tonight's performance. I cannot describe how despondent and low I am feeling at the moment. It has been bad over the last three years but I have never felt as bad as I do tonight. I have to say that Jones is blameless for the first thirty minutes. We have a high profile goalkeeper who has played for England and has established an excellent reputation and tonight he has thrown it all away with two dreadful pieces of goalkeeping. His third or fourth costly mistake this season. I think that Jones has the calibre to become an excellent manager but it seems that he is devoid of any luck! He needs to sit down and prioritise how he intends to move forward to a towering challenge in the next two games. He cannot afford to ignore that we are conceding goals on an horrendous scale. I certainly do not think that at this moment the answer is to sack Jones. I was very impressed with Collins after he came on and looks a future top player. I thought Edwards and McClean both put a great shift in but saw very little else to ease my worries other than reminding myself that is only game four and the time to make serious decisions is after another six games but looking at the fixture list Jones is going to need some luck to finally arrive.
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Post by chad on Aug 21, 2019 22:08:17 GMT
Nice bloke
Out of his depth
Should go in the morning
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 22:08:42 GMT
Yes I'm still behind him but I'm devastated at how this season has begun because, after every performance/result like that, I feel that his chances of turning this around and creating something akin to what he engineered at Luton becomes exponentially less likely.
I said before the season that I hoped we'd stick with Jones all the way through this season; the only exception being if we found ourselves in a serious relegation battle. That is the only scenario that would be beyond the threshold of tolerance for me. Whilst it's still very early days, after the Leeds game we'll be more than 10% through the league campaign! With that in mind I'm getting very nervous because I really like the bloke and want him to succeed. But things have to change in the next few games. We need a big result.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 22:08:50 GMT
He's a madman look into his eyes. time to go
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Post by johnnypotter on Aug 21, 2019 22:11:55 GMT
I'm as disappointed as anyone else and it's always difficult when you still feel raw with the emotion after a performance like that [ thought Mclean played well] I'm still on board. If certain players are not performing for whatever reason then they need to be dropped no matter how they perceive their reputation.
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 21, 2019 22:12:12 GMT
You have to give him time, he's signed a shed full of players and you have to give him the time to integrate those players into his system. If you sack him a new manager will want his own players and we're left with dross from the reign of Hughes, Rowett and Jones. You can't keep sacking the manager. Tonight was the worst performance of the season and it really was shit but last Saturday was promising. We can't keep sacking managers!! There's always a promising game in 10 isn't there, yes 1/10.... The new players should be out of the blocks and full of energy and adrenaline... Did someone forget to check the football manager speed or agility ratings of these new signings? We still play a midfield from rowetts days... How will that suffice? It won't change by magic I agree, my patience is wearing thin but apart from tonight there have been signs that thing were going in the right way. We can't keep sacking managers and you can guarantee if we do sack Jones we'll be linked with the likes of Allardyce, Moyes, O'Neill, Pulis and every other dinosaur of a Britsh manager. I really would rather stick with Jones than have the alternatives.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 21, 2019 22:14:46 GMT
Sadly, I'll be surprised if he makes it to October. 2 games v Leeds and Brum away with a set of fans on their way to fully turning? Good luck with that.
As a first step, surely to God we've got to see some real balls in his selection on Saturday.
Butland, Allen, Batth surely won't start?
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Post by tony1234 on Aug 21, 2019 22:19:27 GMT
Never had the credentials to start with for me. And has spent ever-since proving it.
... However, you never do know in football, and its not completely proven that he will fail this season. He needs 10pts in the first 10games for me as the bare minimum. So 9 in the next 6 games.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 21, 2019 22:19:41 GMT
I think he’s absolutely useless.
A rabbit in the headlights.
Naive.
Clueless.
A general all round shite manager.
But we can’t sack another one yet. We just can’t.
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Post by Davef on Aug 21, 2019 22:21:45 GMT
If only to prove the pessimists wrong. Our fans have become exactly what we hated 10 years ago and I'm genuinely gutted about that. The reaction of the fans tonight is no different to what it's always been when we've been on bad runs. No different to 89/90, no different to 97/98 and 98/99. No different when we're struggling painfully to get out of League One under Thordarson, or struggling badly in the Championship and being bored shitless by Boskamp and Pulis. The Premier League years have raised expectations and shown us what the club is capable of. Why should fans be happy and accept the garbage we witnessed tonight?
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Post by serpico on Aug 21, 2019 22:23:19 GMT
9 goals conceded in 4 games, if this continues he’s a goner within the next 3-4 games.
I reckon Coates is already digging out Martin O’Neils phone number as we speak.
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Post by jontimmis on Aug 21, 2019 22:23:48 GMT
2/22 in the championship= 9.0% win ratio
We’ve lost 3 games out of 4 already!
One point. We’ve so far played nobody!
Leeds double header can’t wait!
Let’s be honest, tonight was diabolical.
Butland- needs dropping simple as that. He thinks he’s big time and he ain’t. That second goal was Sunday league.
Edwards- thinks he’s a winger, gets done defensively all the time inside.
Ba’ath- looks like he should be playing in league 1
Lindsay - Sam was Baath can’t defend
McClean- shouldn’t be playing left back, but he crosses too early 30-40 years from byline and needs to push further up the pitch when in advanced positions. Can’t fault too much only one between him and Collins who could give a flying fxxx!
Collins- looks a player this kid.
Allen- getting worse every time I see him play, every first touch is so bad he’s stretching to recover and gives the ball away and fouls a lot! Doesn’t break the lines enough I don’t know what he’s adding to be fair!
Etebo- made one mistake. But runs with the ball, needs to release it quicker, playing regularly with the right players he’s a good player we shouldn’t be dicking around with it at the back we are NOT good enough!
Woods- great touches, passes sideways mostly, too weak for that position in our team just generally too small and flimsy in midfield and woods needs a sawyer!
Vokes - didn’t do anything really.
Ince - went missing didn’t fancy it! As per!
Clucas - don’t know what he does! Rubbish. Waste of money.
Hogan - some good touches, no service really!
Gregory - went missing until he created the assist. Got deeper and never got involved.
There is a lot wrong with this team.
Preston are not that good they have more balance in their team and we still make Pearson look like Pirlo!
This season could be very long! It’s very worrying
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 21, 2019 22:24:54 GMT
There's always a promising game in 10 isn't there, yes 1/10.... The new players should be out of the blocks and full of energy and adrenaline... Did someone forget to check the football manager speed or agility ratings of these new signings? We still play a midfield from rowetts days... How will that suffice? It won't change by magic I agree, my patience is wearing thin but apart from tonight there have been signs that thing were going in the right way. We can't keep sacking managers and you can guarantee if we do sack Jones we'll be linked with the likes of Allardyce, Moyes, O'Neill, Pulis and every other dinosaur of a Britsh manager. I really would rather stick with Jones than have the alternatives. Make no mistake only one of those dinosaur managers would even consider the stoke job now and it would divide the board , the fans , and the club behind even the current chasms of division
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 22:26:35 GMT
100% We all laughed at Benji's gravity crocodile. Look how that turned out.
Benji knows
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Post by sheriffofrockridge on Aug 21, 2019 22:29:33 GMT
Wait for the chest beating in front of the Boothen on Saturday...followed by no wins until Christmas.
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Post by sheriffofrockridge on Aug 21, 2019 22:32:40 GMT
9 goals conceded in 4 games, if this continues he’s a goner within the next 3-4 games. I reckon Coates is already digging out Martin O’Neils phone number as we speak. Think you mean 10 conceded in 4 games mate...but thanks for the optimism.
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Post by potterpaul on Aug 21, 2019 22:33:20 GMT
Forget last seasons stats, no matter how hard it is to do so. Forget the summer window, too late now, we've got to work with what we have gathered together.
Somehow he as got to reverse 1 point from 12 form, into a workable formula.
Rethink the system Drop players who need dropping, replace with less useless ones. Start to deliver what was was promised from the very beginning.
But it has to start this weekend or there is no hope
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Post by LGH87 on Aug 21, 2019 22:34:12 GMT
I’m beginning to think Paul Hart is not a positive influence on Jones or Stoke. He’s failed as a manager whenever he’s been & just happened to get lucky with two exceptional youth teams at Leeds & Forest.
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