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Post by thevoid on Aug 22, 2019 11:37:48 GMT
If only to prove the pessimists wrong. Our fans have become exactly what we hated 10 years ago and I'm genuinely gutted about that. I'd have probably hated us winning 3 games out of 24 ten years ago too mate.
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Post by chigstoke on Aug 22, 2019 11:38:31 GMT
The replacing him part should he get sacked is of big concern. I think like a lot on here, our stand out candidate is Chris Hughton.
Unfortunately our pool of managers is thinner this time, and there are 3 obvious ones who won't come to Stoke by their choice. Hughton Adkins Monk
Jokanovic - Won't come Moyes - Won't come Big Sam - Won't come Bruce - Might not last long at Toon Pulis - Available but most of us sane people don't want him, surely Coates couldn't dream of it? Cowley's - Can see the attraction, not what we need at this stage Campbell - Same as Cowley in that he is not what we need right now Then you've got those abroad but I suspect we won't be looking at anyone abroad right now. It's a worrying list really, if we sack him we better make sure we have a suitable replacement on the cards.
Kenny Jackett? He's got a decent record wherever he's been Decent win percentages, probably wouldn't mind stepping up a league either. Mediocre start to the season for Portsmouth and should have gone up last season. Yeah, I can see that one being a potential.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 22, 2019 11:41:43 GMT
He's a madman look into his eyes. time to go He could always get a job as caretaker of the Overlook Hotel with that beard and stare.....
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Post by dirtygary69 on Aug 22, 2019 12:00:56 GMT
I've deliberated over what to type time and time again and I really don't know. I was never fully on board with his all-conquering positive mantra as it was. He's done a lot of talking but delivered some absolute shite. In the twenty something games he's been in charge, we've probably played well 5 or 6 times and usually against better opponents. As many posters pointed out during pre-season, the signings we made were uninspiring in the main. They weren't signings that appeared to suit his desired system. We could tell they weren't the pacy, attacking threat we required but we were told to have faith.
Now, you could say we are only 4 games into the season and there's plenty of time to recover but these 4 games should have been possibly the easiest 4 in a row we'd get all season. If we can't beat the likes of QPR, Charlton & Preston then what hope is there? Yes, we played well against Derby but I said on Saturday evening that I wasn't going to jump on the positive bandwagon as we needed to capitalise when we did play well by taking 3 points. When you don't play well and turn up like we did yesterday, you're going to lose & badly.
I've also said before that we need a run before any sort of corner can be declared as 'turned'. There's no use beating Leeds on Saturday and then rolling up at Birmingham stinking the place out again. We need 4 or 5 good performances and results in a row to allow any sort of confidence to grow on the pitch and in the stands. That, I think, is my main concern. That we can turn it on when we need to, yet the very next game turn to complete bollocks. That shows how weak we are mentally. All any team has to do is apply a bit of pressure and we crumble.
We're already more than one win adrift from getting out of the bottom three and for a side that doesn't win many, that's quite some pressure which we don't need added to our already fragile mindset.
I'm still behind him as I never want Stoke City and a manager to fail but he really needs to get a grip. Stop talking the talk, don't say fucking anything and just get on with it. I'm fed up of hearing about God and just want a performance to shout about. If Leeds batter us on Saturday then where our confidence goes then, God only knows. We are fucking hopeless right now and it's up to Jones to change it. I expect Bielsa to know exactly what to exploit and when and Jones needs to counter that by showing some in-game nous rather than throwing lots of shit and hoping it sticks.
All that said, the players on the pitch are really well and truly screwing their manager over at the moment. To concede some of the goals we have in the first 10 minutes of games is nothing short of a joke and these are coming from our 'better' and more experienced players. They need to shape up or fuck off and I hope Jones tells them as much. Some of this squad could play for any team in this league but the majority them need to start showing they want to play for Stoke City and their manager. My fear is that the players don't trust or understand what the manager is telling them.
I don't know about anybody else but I am dreading games at the moment. I was looking forward to Leeds before yesterday and now I can't think of anything worse than watching us surrender to another team. We keep embarrassing ourselves week after week and nothing ever seems to happen. Or when it does, like Wigan away, it's like it never fucking happened and we revert to the shit that's put us in trouble.
It's just really fucking wank and if we carry on we could be well adrift come October. It's as bad as I've ever had it supporting Stoke.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 12:11:03 GMT
I still am, yes. He needs to help himself though by giving Butland a bit of time on the bench and replacing Allan with Etebo
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Post by mcw on Aug 22, 2019 12:22:10 GMT
I've deliberated over what to type time and time again and I really don't know. I was never fully on board with his all-conquering positive mantra as it was. He's done a lot of talking but delivered some absolute shite. In the twenty something games he's been in charge, we've probably played well 5 or 6 times and usually against better opponents. As many posters pointed out during pre-season, the signings we made were uninspiring in the main. They weren't signings that appeared to suit his desired system. We could tell they weren't the pacy, attacking threat we required but we were told to have faith. Now, you could say we are only 4 games into the season and there's plenty of time to recover but these 4 games should have been possibly the easiest 4 in a row we'd get all season. If we can't beat the likes of QPR, Charlton & Preston then what hope is there? Yes, we played well against Derby but I said on Saturday evening that I wasn't going to jump on the positive bandwagon as we needed to capitalise when we did play well by taking 3 points. When you don't play well and turn up like we did yesterday, you're going to lose & badly. I've also said before that we need a run before any sort of corner can be declared as 'turned'. There's no use beating Leeds on Saturday and then rolling up at Birmingham stinking the place out again. We need 4 or 5 good performances and results in a row to allow any sort of confidence to grow on the pitch and in the stands. That, I think, is my main concern. That we can turn it on when we need to, yet the very next game turn to complete bollocks. That shows how weak we are mentally. All any team has to do is apply a bit of pressure and we crumble. We're already more than one win adrift from getting out of the bottom three and for a side that doesn't win many, that's quite some pressure which we don't need added to our already fragile mindset. I'm still behind him as I never want Stoke City and a manager to fail but he really needs to get a grip. Stop talking the talk, don't say fucking anything and just get on with it. I'm fed up of hearing about God and just want a performance to shout about. If Leeds batter us on Saturday then where our confidence goes then, God only knows. We are fucking hopeless right now and it's up to Jones to change it. I expect Bielsa to know exactly what to exploit and when and Jones needs to counter that by showing some in-game nous rather than throwing lots of shit and hoping it sticks. All that said, the players on the pitch are really well and truly screwing their manager over at the moment. To concede some of the goals we have in the first 10 minutes of games is nothing short of a joke and these are coming from our 'better' and more experienced players. They need to shape up or fuck off and I hope Jones tells them as much. Some of this squad could play for any team in this league but the majority them need to start showing they want to play for Stoke City and their manager. My fear is that the players don't trust or understand what the manager is telling them. I don't know about anybody else but I am dreading games at the moment. I was looking forward to Leeds before yesterday and now I can't think of anything worse than watching us surrender to another team. We keep embarrassing ourselves week after week and nothing ever seems to happen. Or when it does, like Wigan away, it's like it never fucking happened and we revert to the shit that's put us in trouble. It's just really fucking wank and if we carry on we could be well adrift come October. It's as bad as I've ever had it supporting Stoke. Pretty much sums up everything I think. For 3 and half years now we have had a team that is inconsistent at best and positively diabolical at times. All the threads about get behind the team etc I understand but the team (various managers, players etc) have sucked the life and belief out of all of us. This is not about results either, of course we all want to win every game, but performances and the inability of any manager to get a string of 5/6 decent consistent performances (win or lose) during that period. Supporters can get behind the following: 1.) A team that is known to be crap but which plays with heart, spirit and a never give up attitude. 2.) A team that is playing consistently well even on a losing streak but where there is fight and a feeling that things will turn round. We have consistently lurched from one false dawn every 5/6 weeks to unmitigated dross in between for a sustained period of time and I challenge anyone to get behind a team that consistently performs like that. People say the crowd is shocking etc, I totally disagree they are subdued and in a state of disbelief. Give us something to get behind for god's sake Nathan and give us back our Saturdays to enjoy (win or lose) rather than this dark cloud which never seems to be lifting.
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Post by s7oke on Aug 22, 2019 12:26:33 GMT
Yes very much so !!
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Post by ethers26 on Aug 22, 2019 15:40:42 GMT
If only to prove the pessimists wrong. Our fans have become exactly what we hated 10 years ago and I'm genuinely gutted about that. I'd have probably hated us winning 3 games out of 24 ten years ago too mate. Yeah I get that, the stats are bad right now. But after the club has rotten to the core since our Prem days, I'd rather Jones have the time to implement a free-flowing, goal scoring side like he did at Luton. Instead of having an Allardyce come in, 442, shut up shop, bore fuck out of everyone, and ultimately be a short-term fix. Matter of opinion though!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 15:42:20 GMT
I'd have probably hated us winning 3 games out of 24 ten years ago too mate. Yeah I get that, the stats are bad right now. But after the club has rotten to the core since our Prem days, I'd rather Jones have the time to implement a free-flowing, goal scoring side like he did at Luton. Instead of having an Allardyce come in, 442, shut up shop, bore fuck out of everyone, and ultimately be a short-term fix. Matter of opinion though! You want to be relegated?
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Aug 22, 2019 15:44:00 GMT
He's a madman look into his eyes. time to go He could always get a job as caretaker of the Overlook Hotel with that beard and stare..... All work and no play makes Nathe a dull boy
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Post by sportsman on Aug 22, 2019 15:47:47 GMT
I'm still behind him and will be until he's not there. I will be singing my fucking heart out for the team on Saturday.
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Post by ethers26 on Aug 22, 2019 16:06:09 GMT
Yeah I get that, the stats are bad right now. But after the club has rotten to the core since our Prem days, I'd rather Jones have the time to implement a free-flowing, goal scoring side like he did at Luton. Instead of having an Allardyce come in, 442, shut up shop, bore fuck out of everyone, and ultimately be a short-term fix. Matter of opinion though! You want to be relegated? I just have patience. If we'd been well beaten by some good goals then it would be different. Instead, we've been the masters of our own downfall every game - gifting goals and most importantly the first goal of the game. But I've seen enough for large parts of games to believe that with a couple of additions we'd be a good side with a proper philosophy again. If we had a half decent keeper, an actual left back (albeit McClean's worked hard), and at least one decent centre half then it would be a different story.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 16:13:02 GMT
You want to be relegated? I just have patience. If we'd been well beaten by some good goals then it would be different. Instead, we've been the masters of our own downfall every game - gifting goals and most importantly the first goal of the game. But I've seen enough for large parts of games to believe that with a couple of additions we'd be a good side with a proper philosophy again. If we had a half decent keeper, an actual left back (albeit McClean's worked hard), and at least one decent centre half then it would be a different story. You think a man that has just signed 11 players who don’t seem to be any better than what we had is going to do that?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 17:30:47 GMT
Hughton would be a terrible fit. AND not what we need right now. He’s simply not good enough. The bloke we have now is an utter shambles. He talks a good game but on the pitch he is no where near backing it up. We have to stop listening to him talk its all pie on the sky and based on hope. I had a feeling very early on about Rowett and this is no different at all, probaly worse. The most optimistic Stoke fan deep in there heart must know this hads gone already. 1 point in 12 , 9 points off top spot, Leeds to come. He comes across better than Rowett (who wouldnt?) but its just like listening to a kid when he cant get something right. Needs to go ASAP. A win V leeds won't change anything either. We needed a steady hand after Rowett not a gerbil experiment. Have a look at any of my posts on Jones. He's not good enough or experienced enough and never shouldve been appointed, I've said that from the start. This would be a dreadful time to fuck him off though, having put the investment in, it's worth a small risk to see if there's a glimmer of getting anything out of him and the team. Hence a couple of games time we'll see if there's any improvement at all, hopefully meaningful. That said I wouldn't be surprised to see him leaving by mutual consent in 3 weeks anyway.
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Aug 22, 2019 17:35:04 GMT
After that interview he can fuck off tonight for all I care. You clearly lack intelligence SGS
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 17:36:52 GMT
After that interview he can fuck off tonight for all I care. You clearly lack intelligence SGS I didn’t just write a post blaming players that don’t want to be here when the manager just brought in 11 new players...
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Aug 22, 2019 17:37:41 GMT
You don’t give a shit about Scfc then Ridiculous comment SGS
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Post by thefarpost on Aug 22, 2019 17:39:01 GMT
I still am, yes. He needs to help himself though by giving Butland a bit of time on the bench and replacing Allan with Etebo
Not a chance of benching Butland until the continental transfer window closes (2nd Sept?). He's trying to get £30 million plus for him
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 22, 2019 17:39:23 GMT
I think 95% of our support are behind Jones BUT he’s definitely got to achieve some results in the next few weeks.I just can’t see where the points are coming from the way we’re playing when I look at the next set of league games Leeds h Birmingham a Bristol City h Brentford a 🤔
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Post by thevoid on Aug 22, 2019 19:24:20 GMT
I’m not anymore and it kills me to say it. I desperately wanted NJ to be the man who led us out of the darkness and work the same magic he did at Luton on us. Young, British, what he did at Luton on his CV, likes his clothes, talked the talk, passionate, engaged with the support, Christian (can’t help to have God on your side). With a very heavy heart I think the size of the task of sorting the shit out at Stoke is too big for him. He’s got the back end of Mark Hughes’s transfer nuclear meltdown and Rowett’s squad to contend with and he doesn’t seem to have helped himself with some of his signings. In my view NJ is a genuine guy who will go and do a good job elsewhere in league 1 or 2 but sorting out Stoke City was always going to be a bridge too far for him. We need some fucking old school horrible bastard like Warnock (a bit of sick came up as I wrote this) to take the wheel or someone who like Hughton. Tony Scholes also needs to take off his Harry Potter cloak of Teflon, take some fucking responsibility and resign. Would you resign from a job that paid £1m a year and allowed you to be wank with impunity?
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Post by thevoid on Aug 22, 2019 19:28:50 GMT
I'd have probably hated us winning 3 games out of 24 ten years ago too mate. Yeah I get that, the stats are bad right now. But after the club has rotten to the core since our Prem days, I'd rather Jones have the time to implement a free-flowing, goal scoring side like he did at Luton. Instead of having an Allardyce come in, 442, shut up shop, bore fuck out of everyone, and ultimately be a short-term fix. Matter of opinion though! I certainly don't want anyone in the Allardyce mould.
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Post by ethers26 on Aug 22, 2019 20:13:32 GMT
Yeah I get that, the stats are bad right now. But after the club has rotten to the core since our Prem days, I'd rather Jones have the time to implement a free-flowing, goal scoring side like he did at Luton. Instead of having an Allardyce come in, 442, shut up shop, bore fuck out of everyone, and ultimately be a short-term fix. Matter of opinion though! I certainly don't want anyone in the Allardyce mould. So who do we get? Before we got him Jones was the obvious candidate. Luton played excellent football and scored lots of goals. That doesn't just happen overnight. It takes a year or two. Luton could only look up when he took them on and transformed them. We're a completely different situation unfortunately!
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Post by ethers26 on Aug 22, 2019 20:20:20 GMT
I just have patience. If we'd been well beaten by some good goals then it would be different. Instead, we've been the masters of our own downfall every game - gifting goals and most importantly the first goal of the game. But I've seen enough for large parts of games to believe that with a couple of additions we'd be a good side with a proper philosophy again. If we had a half decent keeper, an actual left back (albeit McClean's worked hard), and at least one decent centre half then it would be a different story. You think a man that has just signed 11 players who don’t seem to be any better than what we had is going to do that? He clearly wanted one or two more first team quality players in didn't he and we miss them (LB and CDM especially). I think he's brought in some good characters and experience in compared to what we had, and quality with Hogan, Duffy and Powell. I'm convinced it'll click, but we're just not helping ourselves with the obvious mistakes we've made so far. I think he might have to ditch the diamond until we properly replace Allen, Clucas and possibly Woods too.
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Post by bornscfcdiescfc on Aug 22, 2019 20:22:34 GMT
2 threads started today to gather your support for NH ? what are you looking for a 100% backing for this one as the last gained more momentum stating he is diamond dust ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 22:51:20 GMT
Time at club - 9 January 2019 - Present: - Played - 26 Won - 4 Drawn - 12 Lost - 10 Win% - 15.4%
This record is pathetic. Jones he is out of his depth. And a very stubborn man. It is diamond or no way. Time to get rid.
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