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Jul 28, 2019 19:18:37 GMT
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Post by lordb on Jul 28, 2019 19:18:37 GMT
If we agree to let BMI go then we can only assume that Shawcross isn’t that badly hurt? Or more likely we have another centre half in our sights with the money Or we recall Souttar (if we can) We'll see though
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Post by apb1979 on Jul 28, 2019 19:18:45 GMT
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Jul 28, 2019 19:20:00 GMT
If we agree to let BMI go then we can only assume that Shawcross isn’t that badly hurt? Or more likely we have another centre half in our sights with the money Or more likely we think Lyndsey and Collins could do a job with Souttar on a recall if we get desperate. Gouranga.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 28, 2019 19:25:10 GMT
As a short term deal how about Gary Cahill. Lots of Championship clubs allegedly interested in him. Can see him going Fulham.
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Jul 28, 2019 19:27:58 GMT
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 28, 2019 19:27:58 GMT
If we agree to let BMI go then we can only assume that Shawcross isn’t that badly hurt? He's out for most of the season at the very least surely?! That's me being optimistic as well.
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Jul 28, 2019 19:29:41 GMT
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jul 28, 2019 19:29:41 GMT
As a short term deal how about Gary Cahill. Lots of Championship clubs allegedly interested in him. Can see him going Fulham. How has he not found a club yet, unreal really
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2019 19:30:15 GMT
“Little issues” - like them actually giving us some money probably 😂
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Jul 28, 2019 19:34:56 GMT
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Post by cushyscfc on Jul 28, 2019 19:34:56 GMT
We've always got Wimmer, 😩😩😭
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Post by kelw on Jul 28, 2019 19:54:33 GMT
If we agree to let BMI go then we can only assume that Shawcross isn’t that badly hurt? His wages are a burden Bayern and £4m is money we also need He’ll go and maybe a loan in We can let Bruno go, clear a big wage and a few quid in. Says nothing re Shawcross'injury but means we have wiggle room for cover if needed
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 28, 2019 20:00:01 GMT
We've always got Wimmer, 😩😩😭 As a 4th choice is he really THAT bad? We’re paying him we might aswell have a look at him.
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Jul 28, 2019 20:01:44 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 28, 2019 20:01:44 GMT
We've always got Wimmer, 😩😩😭 As a 4th choice is he really THAT bad? We’re paying him we might aswell have a look at him. Fair point certainly if we can’t get rid of him.
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Jul 28, 2019 20:10:35 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2019 20:10:35 GMT
If we agree to let BMI go then we can only assume that Shawcross isn’t that badly hurt? His wages are a burden Bayern and £4m is money we also need He’ll go and maybe a loan in Maybe but then we’ll have to spend that or more on a player to cover Shawcross if he is out for some time.
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Jul 28, 2019 20:12:46 GMT
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jul 28, 2019 20:12:46 GMT
I'll be amazed if he's not out for the season with that
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Jul 28, 2019 20:15:33 GMT
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Post by drippinggoatsnob on Jul 28, 2019 20:15:33 GMT
We've always got Wimmer, 😩😩😭 Ha ha. Is there less of a Jones defender out there? Athletic, leader, strong/physical..... That'll be no, no, no. 😁
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Jul 28, 2019 20:16:06 GMT
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Post by apb1979 on Jul 28, 2019 20:16:06 GMT
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Jul 28, 2019 20:29:07 GMT
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Post by andystokey on Jul 28, 2019 20:29:07 GMT
If we agree to let BMI go then we can only assume that Shawcross isn’t that badly hurt? He's out for most of the season at the very least surely?! That's me being optimistic as well. That extra million € your mate TS negotiated down in 2017 looks to have narrowed the gap on our loss somewhat at that price. He took a bit of shit for it on here as I remember.
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Post by ParaPsych on Jul 28, 2019 20:52:20 GMT
His wages are a burden Bayern and £4m is money we also need He’ll go and maybe a loan in Maybe but then we’ll have to spend that or more on a player to cover Shawcross if he is out for some time. You seem to have convinced yourself that you know a lot about the economic realities at the club, but none of us really do. We might well end up replacing him with someone terrible, but I'm sure the reasons for letting him go, if we indeed actually do, would make a lot of sense to those who know about these things within the club. As we basically know nothing about the reasoning for these things we could all spin it however we want really. We could talk around in circles repeating ourselves over and over and over and it would be utterly meaningless. So forget about the economics, as it's boring quite boring. The fact is we really don't know anything about that stuff do we? What should really be of concern, if he were to go, is will any replacement be shit or not? We can at least judge that one!
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Jul 28, 2019 21:05:06 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2019 21:05:06 GMT
Maybe but then we’ll have to spend that or more on a player to cover Shawcross if he is out for some time. You seem to have convinced yourself that you know a lot about the economic realities at the club, but none of us really do. We might well end up replacing him with someone terrible, but I'm sure the reasons for letting him go, if we indeed actually do, would make a lot of sense to those who know about these things within the club. As we basically know nothing about the reasoning for these things we could all spin it however we want really. We could talk around in circles repeating ourselves over and over and over and it would be utterly meaningless. So forget about the economics, as it's boring quite boring. The fact is we really don't know anything about that stuff do we? What should really be of concern, if he were to go, is will any replacement be shit or not? We can at least judge that one! I presumed we were letting him go because we were happy with the other 4. That has changed so this situation could, should change?
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Post by ParaPsych on Jul 28, 2019 21:09:55 GMT
You seem to have convinced yourself that you know a lot about the economic realities at the club, but none of us really do. We might well end up replacing him with someone terrible, but I'm sure the reasons for letting him go, if we indeed actually do, would make a lot of sense to those who know about these things within the club. As we basically know nothing about the reasoning for these things we could all spin it however we want really. We could talk around in circles repeating ourselves over and over and over and it would be utterly meaningless. So forget about the economics, as it's boring quite boring. The fact is we really don't know anything about that stuff do we? What should really be of concern, if he were to go, is will any replacement be shit or not? We can at least judge that one! I presumed we were letting him go because we were happy with the other 4. That has changed so this situation could, should change? It probably will have an impact on the thinking, but they may still feel it will ultimately be worthwhile? If he stays great, if he goes it all really comes down to the quality of a replacement? The thing is, if he goes abroad we have to do it now amd not after our window shuts and the foreign one is still open. In that scenario we will end up with just 3 CBs. So it's now or never really.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 28, 2019 21:19:06 GMT
As long as nobody wants Wimmer he could be our 4th choice central defender for the rest of the season as I see it. I don't think we need to bring in more central defenders. I also think it's wise to let Indi go if we can get £4-5M for him. In reality Lindsay was bought to replace him anyway. Batth and Collins for the first game then, and hopefully a lot more as well.
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Jul 28, 2019 21:32:34 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2019 21:32:34 GMT
I presumed we were letting him go because we were happy with the other 4. That has changed so this situation could, should change? It probably will have an impact on the thinking, but they may still feel it will ultimately be worthwhile? If he stays great, if he goes it all really comes down to the quality of a replacement? The thing is, if he goes abroad we have to do it now amd not after our window shuts and the foreign one is still open. In that scenario we will end up with just 3 CBs. So it's now or never really. Agreed. I’d recall Souttar myself and be happy with that.
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Post by stokeykez on Jul 28, 2019 21:45:12 GMT
As a short term deal how about Gary Cahill. Lots of Championship clubs allegedly interested in him. Can see him going Fulham. How has he not found a club yet, unreal really Probably something to do with the massive wages he will be on. He would want guaranteed game time
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Post by Championship Potter on Jul 28, 2019 21:50:25 GMT
As a 4th choice is he really THAT bad? We’re paying him we might aswell have a look at him. Fair point certainly if we can’t get rid of him. I'd definitely be in favour of keeping BMI and Wimmer if we can't rid of them for sensible fees/loan deals. €4m over four years is a joke of a fee. Hate to think how much money we've wasted over the last couple of years shifting players in and out when we could have just kept the likes of Wimmer as bench warmers. Even this year, we've spent £2m to bring in a CB that has only played in League One in his career to date, to replace a CB with plenty of top flight and international experience, who we are only getting €4m for (spread over 4 seasons), and who actually finished the season very strongly. Just seems mental when there are gaping holes elsewhere in the team.
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Jul 28, 2019 22:06:31 GMT
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Post by chayseeoatcake on Jul 28, 2019 22:06:31 GMT
BMI and Wimner gone and just have Souttar on recall.
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Jul 28, 2019 22:10:56 GMT
Post by kustokie on Jul 28, 2019 22:10:56 GMT
We've always got Wimmer, 😩😩😭 As a 4th choice is he really THAT bad? We’re paying him we might aswell have a look at him. I’ve seen enough. He’s very poor and would be a liability.
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Jul 29, 2019 7:14:38 GMT
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Post by LGH87 on Jul 29, 2019 7:14:38 GMT
It probably will have an impact on the thinking, but they may still feel it will ultimately be worthwhile? If he stays great, if he goes it all really comes down to the quality of a replacement? The thing is, if he goes abroad we have to do it now amd not after our window shuts and the foreign one is still open. In that scenario we will end up with just 3 CBs. So it's now or never really. Agreed. I’d recall Souttar myself and be happy with that. season long loans usually can’t be recalled can they? I think if Bruno leaves, we’ll see an experienced free agent come in as 4th choice. It wouldn’t surprise me entirely if that free agent was Ashley Williams
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Jul 29, 2019 7:23:30 GMT
Post by 11wilkosinateam on Jul 29, 2019 7:23:30 GMT
Agreed. I’d recall Souttar myself and be happy with that. season long loans usually can’t be recalled can they? I think if Bruno leaves, we’ll see an experienced free agent come in as 4th choice. It wouldn’t surprise me entirely if that free agent was Ashley Williams Current Free Agents Gary Cahill Ashely Williams Martin Skrtel Daniel Schwaab Jonas Ramalho Timothee Kolodziejczak Martin Caceres Joel Lynch
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Post by lordb on Jul 29, 2019 7:24:12 GMT
Fair point certainly if we can’t get rid of him. I'd definitely be in favour of keeping BMI and Wimmer if we can't rid of them for sensible fees/loan deals. €4m over four years is a joke of a fee. Hate to think how much money we've wasted over the last couple of years shifting players in and out when we could have just kept the likes of Wimmer as bench warmers. Even this year, we've spent £2m to bring in a CB that has only played in League One in his career to date, to replace a CB with plenty of top flight and international experience, who we are only getting €4m for (spread over 4 seasons), and who actually finished the season very strongly. Just seems mental when there are gaping holes elsewhere in the team. Lyndsey has already had a season in the Championship
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Jul 29, 2019 7:26:03 GMT
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jul 29, 2019 7:26:03 GMT
Agreed. I’d recall Souttar myself and be happy with that. season long loans usually can’t be recalled can they? I think if Bruno leaves, we’ll see an experienced free agent come in as 4th choice. It wouldn’t surprise me entirely if that free agent was Ashley Williams I'd like to think we would go back in for mckenna but when you look at the free agents list it's possible we will take one on a year long deal. A few include a William's, m skertl & j collins. Looking at the list on the internet I see welbeck is currently free as is Sturridge, I do wonder if we would make what would be classed in the media as an 'ambitious attempt' to sign any of them if the gayle effort fails
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Jul 29, 2019 7:50:59 GMT
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Post by scfcballers on Jul 29, 2019 7:50:59 GMT
If Villa make a bid for butland I think they’ll try and include Chester in it
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