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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2019 10:12:18 GMT
I wouldn't get rid of him. Just makes the Lindsay look even dafter, even though he as a player looks fine. Doesn’t make Lindsay look dafter at all, we have to continue the financial restructuring we started when we wrote £30 million off in 2018. So we need to have a lower wage bill and that means we need players like Lindsay to replace higher earners like Bruno and why we have Ward not Pieters. If we loan Bruno out and cover his wages then we create some financial space. If we can sell Bruno even better. Our wage bill two seasons ago was £94 million. If we don’t get promoted, in two year it needs to be under £30 million that means lower paid players. Lindsay, Gregory, Batth, Davies, Ward, Smith, Cousins and Powell are all part of the same strategy It will have been halfed from that automatically you'd hope with the relegation clauses. But Vokes, Powell and Gregory won't be on small money. And in the first two, I'd still expect them to be on 25/30k per week. We need to sell him. A loan is no use.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2019 10:13:17 GMT
He's fine. And we shouldn't be pandering to these shysters. Offer 6m or fuck off. Realistically, when's Bruno going to get on the pitch though? He's left-footed, but there's no way he's going to start against QPR in Lindsay's absence, is there? So he's clearly 4th choice. About the only good thing you could say is that if he stays, at least it'd almost force us to loan out 5th choice Collins which would be better for his development than being stuck here as 4th Oh he isn't but that's a bed we've made.
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Jul 26, 2019 10:14:58 GMT
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Post by Goonie on Jul 26, 2019 10:14:58 GMT
So that'll be a loan with a return to us at the end then. Is it just Stoke these Turkish sides take the piss out of or do they do it to everyone ? Its revenge for the waste of Tuncay's talent while with us 😬😎
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jul 26, 2019 10:25:19 GMT
Doesn’t make Lindsay look dafter at all, we have to continue the financial restructuring we started when we wrote £30 million off in 2018. So we need to have a lower wage bill and that means we need players like Lindsay to replace higher earners like Bruno and why we have Ward not Pieters. If we loan Bruno out and cover his wages then we create some financial space. If we can sell Bruno even better. Our wage bill two seasons ago was £94 million. If we don’t get promoted, in two year it needs to be under £30 million that means lower paid players. Lindsay, Gregory, Batth, Davies, Ward, Smith, Cousins and Powell are all part of the same strategy It will have been halfed from that automatically you'd hope with the relegation clauses. But Vokes, Powell and Gregory won't be on small money. And in the first two, I'd still expect them to be on 25/30k per week. We need to sell him. A loan is no use. We didn’t halve the wage bill, a majority of players took 30-40% cuts but not all. Shawcross and Allen and Bauer renegotiated and then we signed a set of new players, most from PL Clubs who would have been given top end Championship wages - Ince, McClean, Afobe, Clucas, Etebo and then Vokes in January. We also spent £50 million which will cost us £12.5 million a season for the next 3 seasons as we amortise the contracts. We have around 30 first team players so our wage bill is very high. If we can’t sell him, better to cover his wages for 2 years on loans and play the cheaper Lindsay. That’s why your assertion that we shouldn’t have bought Lindsay is wrong
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Jul 26, 2019 10:28:25 GMT
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Post by werrington on Jul 26, 2019 10:28:25 GMT
I'd tell these Turkish fuckers to fuck off until they offer up some cold hard cash. Tossers. And after doing that we’ve missed out on a loan fee and continued paying his wages which means he can’t be replaced
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jul 26, 2019 11:05:22 GMT
It will have been halfed from that automatically you'd hope with the relegation clauses. But Vokes, Powell and Gregory won't be on small money. And in the first two, I'd still expect them to be on 25/30k per week. We need to sell him. A loan is no use. We didn’t halve the wage bill, a majority of players took 30-40% cuts but not all. Shawcross and Allen and Bauer renegotiated and then we signed a set of new players, most from PL Clubs who would have been given top end Championship wages - Ince, McClean, Afobe, Clucas, Etebo and then Vokes in January. We also spent £50 million which will cost us £12.5 million a season for the next 3 seasons as we amortise the contracts. We have around 30 first team players so our wage bill is very high. If we can’t sell him, better to cover his wages for 2 years on loans and play the cheaper Lindsay. That’s why your assertion that we shouldn’t have bought Lindsay is wrong We must be at risk of getting into a Financial Fair Play pickle , we don't generate much Income , low wage area so ticket prices are low and possibly commercial Income too and as crowds reduce the risk must be high . Does player value write offs affect FFP?
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Post by thebet365 on Jul 26, 2019 11:25:50 GMT
We didn’t halve the wage bill, a majority of players took 30-40% cuts but not all. Shawcross and Allen and Bauer renegotiated and then we signed a set of new players, most from PL Clubs who would have been given top end Championship wages - Ince, McClean, Afobe, Clucas, Etebo and then Vokes in January. We also spent £50 million which will cost us £12.5 million a season for the next 3 seasons as we amortise the contracts. We have around 30 first team players so our wage bill is very high. If we can’t sell him, better to cover his wages for 2 years on loans and play the cheaper Lindsay. That’s why your assertion that we shouldn’t have bought Lindsay is wrong Does player value write offs affect FFP? Yes that's why we wrote down a lot of values last season which is what caused the large 30 odd million loss. So the bomb squad are probably worth diddly squat on the balance sheet now. The main concern will be the current wage bill plus last years player acquisitions.
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Jul 26, 2019 13:23:55 GMT
Post by FullerMagic on Jul 26, 2019 13:23:55 GMT
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Jul 26, 2019 15:18:22 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 26, 2019 15:18:22 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2019 15:36:38 GMT
I'd tell these Turkish fuckers to fuck off until they offer up some cold hard cash. Tossers. And after doing that we’ve missed out on a loan fee and continued paying his wages which means he can’t be replaced And? We shouldn't have signed Lindsay then.....
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jul 26, 2019 15:55:04 GMT
And after doing that we’ve missed out on a loan fee and continued paying his wages which means he can’t be replaced And? We shouldn't have signed Lindsay then..... No because we pay Lindsay less than Bruno and we get a loan fee plus wages which is good business if we can’t see him which it appears we can’t. It’s really Football Finance 101, don’t see why it’s so hard for you to understand
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Jul 26, 2019 15:59:19 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2019 15:59:19 GMT
And? We shouldn't have signed Lindsay then..... No because we pay Lindsay less than Bruno and we get a loan fee plus wages which is good business if we can’t see him which it appears we can’t. It’s really Football Finance 101, don’t see why it’s so hard for you to understand And then we're in the same position. We need to stop bowing down to these fuckers.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jul 26, 2019 15:59:59 GMT
Does player value write offs affect FFP? Yes that's why we wrote down a lot of values last season which is what caused the large 30 odd million loss. So the bomb squad are probably worth diddly squat on the balance sheet now. The main concern will be the current wage bill plus last years player acquisitions. I was trying to work out what the £30 million covered - 3 years of Wimmer is £13.5m, 3 of Berahino is about £7.5m, Badou maybe £12m, Imbula say £6m. Must still be some value left to write off.
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Post by nott1 on Jul 26, 2019 16:10:56 GMT
Loan with a view to a permanent transfer. All sounds very familiar. Always the same story, but with a different player from time to time. Time to time? Every day you mean.
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 26, 2019 16:28:22 GMT
There isn't a queue forming to take him permanently though, is there? 4th choice CBs for mid-table Championship clubs aren't really in demand - especially when they're on biggish money. Could see the sense for us to loan him out if they pay all his wages. Gets him playing every week potentially. At least gives us a chance of getting some money for him. At the moment, his attractiveness to clubs must be at an all-time low. I wouldn't get rid of him. Just makes the Lindsay look even dafter, even though he as a player looks fine. Was Lindsey too good to turn down at the price? Potentially ‘moneyball’ situation?
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Jul 26, 2019 16:34:26 GMT
Post by Championship Potter on Jul 26, 2019 16:34:26 GMT
A pool of centre backs of Batth, Shawcross, BMI and Collins is about as good as a Championship team could hope for so have to say the Lindsay signing was a bit baffling to me. The fact that BMI is deemed good enough for Besiktas says a lot.
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Jul 26, 2019 16:34:51 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2019 16:34:51 GMT
I wouldn't get rid of him. Just makes the Lindsay look even dafter, even though he as a player looks fine. Was Lindsey too good to turn down at the price? Potentially ‘moneyball’ situation? Maybe. And I get why we signed him from how he has looked so far and for Barnsley wise. But the overall strategy seems poor and has made it a situation where actually we now are at the mercy at the Turkish piss takers and may have to do some shit deal that means come next year we’re at the same point as this.
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Post by march4 on Jul 26, 2019 16:53:14 GMT
We need to clear the decks.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2019 16:54:00 GMT
We need to clear the decks. Agreed but by selling them not pandering to clubs who should be rolling in money.
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Post by wearepremierleague on Jul 26, 2019 16:56:13 GMT
Underrated player. Hope Lindsay and Collins can step up because Shawcross and Batth are nowhere near as good
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Post by tony1234 on Jul 26, 2019 17:21:26 GMT
Personally, i see the Lindsay signing was a waste of 2m+. I don't see it as a comparison of BMI vs Lindsay wages on comparing costs and value - Rather, its a comparison of "Lindsay fee + wages + some of BMI wages" vs "BMI's current wages" on the cost front, because I bet they are not paying anything close to BMIs full wages. Plus we retain a liability beyond the loan on BMI. Moreover, Collins has become - for whatever reason - a £7m player in 1/2 a season. So by demoting him in the pecking order to 5th with the addition of LL, you only erode this perceived value and the potential further growth in his value too; whether that value is merited or not. What that's worth is subjective, but its not insignficant. Anyhow - sigh - it wouldn't be us if we didn't stab ourselves in the leg periodically in our amble back to health: if we really are going to trade BMI, and given the chances of getting 6m out of them is miniscule, then there surely must be a comporable player in their ranks we can take of their's that fills a gap - CDM, LB or CAM cover - and call it quits. www.futhead.com/19/players/16170/emre-tasdemir/And btw - Galatasaray spent around Eur 25m in 2018 - so they can afford him, but they also know they can play us like a fiddle. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%9319_Galatasaray_S.K._season
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 26, 2019 17:27:25 GMT
If we really want them to sign him up permanently I think the fee should be £5M and not around £9M. If we set the fee that high we will end up just as we did with Wimmer, they'll send him back!
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Post by cdlstoke on Jul 26, 2019 19:33:35 GMT
BMI May be on good money and time to ship out, but so is Shawcross who’s at best average last 3 years. But he’s not one of the boo boys . Never any interestin him. I wonder why? Before you get on your high horses he’s been good servent but well paid for it. Deffo not worth being a top earner still. Club needs to move on and you need say good bye. Oh not the right agenda again for some on here. Makes me laugh, we loan out the so called bad boys yet we were still shit. Starts make you wonder about who the real trouble makers are or are they untouchable? New broom and all that!!!
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Jul 26, 2019 21:00:12 GMT
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Post by neddy on Jul 26, 2019 21:00:12 GMT
I really feel we should try and hold out for a permanent deal......
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Jul 26, 2019 21:13:17 GMT
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Post by rondogmcmuffin on Jul 26, 2019 21:13:17 GMT
BMI May be on good money and time to ship out, but so is Shawcross who’s at best average last 3 years. But he’s not one of the boo boys . Never any interestin him. I wonder why? Before you get on your high horses he’s been good servent but well paid for it. Deffo not worth being a top earner still. Club needs to move on and you need say good bye. Oh not the right agenda again for some on here. Makes me laugh, we loan out the so called bad boys yet we were still shit. Starts make you wonder about who the real trouble makers are or are they untouchable? New broom and all that!!! I really do miss drinking all day
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 26, 2019 21:18:40 GMT
Was Lindsey too good to turn down at the price? Potentially ‘moneyball’ situation? Maybe. And I get why we signed him from how he has looked so far and for Barnsley wise. But the overall strategy seems poor and has made it a situation where actually we now are at the mercy at the Turkish piss takers and may have to do some shit deal that means come next year we’re at the same point as this. I think by the end of the season we’ll be playing a pairing of Lindsey and Collins. With Shawcross being phased out and Batth as ‘experienced cover’
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Jul 26, 2019 21:48:28 GMT
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Post by shrewspotter on Jul 26, 2019 21:48:28 GMT
Maybe. And I get why we signed him from how he has looked so far and for Barnsley wise. But the overall strategy seems poor and has made it a situation where actually we now are at the mercy at the Turkish piss takers and may have to do some shit deal that means come next year we’re at the same point as this. I think by the end of the season we’ll be playing a pairing of Lindsey and Collins. With Shawcross being phased out and Batth as ‘experienced cover’ personally I think it will be Collims and Batth, but you never can say with injuries etc
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Post by pottersrule on Jul 27, 2019 7:38:13 GMT
There isn't a queue forming to take him permanently though, is there? 4th choice CBs for mid-table Championship clubs aren't really in demand - especially when they're on biggish money. Could see the sense for us to loan him out if they pay all his wages. Gets him playing every week potentially. At least gives us a chance of getting some money for him. At the moment, his attractiveness to clubs must be at an all-time low. I wouldn't get rid of him. Just makes the Lindsay look even dafter, even though he as a player looks fine. Christ! Why do you use every opportunity to bash the club.Lindsay looks an accomplished player to me, and has potential to improve.He will be on a lot less money than Bruno who has stated that he wants to play at a higher level.All in all it's not as "Daft" as you like to pretend.
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Jul 27, 2019 7:50:17 GMT
Post by knype on Jul 27, 2019 7:50:17 GMT
Personally, i see the Lindsay signing was a waste of 2m+. I don't see it as a comparison of BMI vs Lindsay wages on comparing costs and value - Rather, its a comparison of "Lindsay fee + wages + some of BMI wages" vs "BMI's current wages" on the cost front, because I bet they are not paying anything close to BMIs full wages. Plus we retain a liability beyond the loan on BMI. Moreover, Collins has become - for whatever reason - a £7m player in 1/2 a season. So by demoting him in the pecking order to 5th with the addition of LL, you only erode this perceived value and the potential further growth in his value too; whether that value is merited or not. What that's worth is subjective, but its not insignficant. Anyhow - sigh - it wouldn't be us if we didn't stab ourselves in the leg periodically in our amble back to health: if we really are going to trade BMI, and given the chances of getting 6m out of them is miniscule, then there surely must be a comporable player in their ranks we can take of their's that fills a gap - CDM, LB or CAM cover - and call it quits. www.futhead.com/19/players/16170/emre-tasdemir/And btw - Galatasaray spent around Eur 25m in 2018 - so they can afford him, but they also know they can play us like a fiddle. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%9319_Galatasaray_S.K._seasonHere we go again, another player yet to kick a ball in anger for Stoke City written off already as a waste of money...some people ffs
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 27, 2019 9:14:53 GMT
It’s just part of the plan we all signed up to or didn’t and which NJ is executing as promised
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