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Post by melbournestokie21 on Jul 19, 2019 13:06:23 GMT
Presuming he does play his diamond, where will Jones fit Ince.
Nick Powell surely has to be ahead of him when fit (for the tip of diamond anyhow)
Will be an interesting duel between the two I imagine
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Post by uskstokie on Jul 19, 2019 13:08:36 GMT
He has played RCM in the Diamond a bit in pre season and that has made me wonder a little...
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jul 19, 2019 13:10:04 GMT
He doesn't.
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Post by neddy on Jul 19, 2019 13:11:17 GMT
Not sure and after his fathers comments last year...he could be one of the surprise departures. Just don’t see him being first choice and although he would be great as a plan B would he settle for that?
Short answer is who knows at this stage anything could happen in the next couple of weeks.
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Post by Gods on Jul 19, 2019 13:15:31 GMT
He looks easily our most accomplished player running with the ball but does he sometimes flatter to deceive?
I think Nathan likes him so he will start most of the time.
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Post by raythesailor on Jul 19, 2019 13:16:34 GMT
Would not suprise or worry me if Ince leaves this transfer period.
He could be however, like many others, on crazy money and not want to leave.
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Post by robboleek on Jul 19, 2019 13:20:08 GMT
Not sure and after his fathers comments last year...he could be one of the surprise departures. Just don’t see him being first choice and although he would be great as a plan B would he settle for that? Short answer is who knows at this stage anything could happen in the next couple of weeks. I hope you are right and he does go..... |
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Post by nonameface on Jul 19, 2019 13:35:31 GMT
He has played RCM in the Diamond a bit in pre season and that has made me wonder a little... Having had a good relationship with our new full back this could be a thing. It would likely improve the chances of his continual cutting back inside. |
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Post by realstokebloke on Jul 19, 2019 13:47:31 GMT
Hopefully at ano club who are willing / daft enough to give us at least what we paid.
I can't see him turning around his half-baked, half arsed performances of last season into match winning ones this.
Especially as he doesn't really fit in anywhere well enough to make it his own position.
And especially as he's probably on a 'match winner's' level contract (more fool Rowett).
We don't need him, so re-invest the cash on young, up and coming please.
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Post by melbournestokie21 on Jul 19, 2019 13:55:46 GMT
He has played RCM in the Diamond a bit in pre season and that has made me wonder a little... Having had a good relationship with our new full back this could be a thing. It would likely improve the chances of his continual cutting back inside. Do you think Smith was maybe bought with that in mind? |
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Post by kelw on Jul 19, 2019 14:01:02 GMT
Nick Powell is likely to play every week for one. Ince does give us an option and does add something else despite his poor form last 1/3 of the season.
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Post by nonameface on Jul 19, 2019 14:26:36 GMT
Having had a good relationship with our new full back this could be a thing. It would likely improve the chances of his continual cutting back inside. Do you think Smith was maybe bought with that in mind? I'm sure it was a consideration. Smith and Edwards should be a lot more progressive than how the full backs were last year. For me Ince's biggest attacking limitation is his lack of pace to go past a man for pace down the line, keeping him more central with his agility and reasonable finishing could be a benefit. Defensively the back line and keeper options should be as good as anything in the league so this may help to get a better balance in midfield. |
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Post by andystokey on Jul 19, 2019 14:30:46 GMT
He is not a #10 that's for sure. He either plays on the right or not at all and there are better players ahead of him in a diamond.
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Post by Championship Potter on Jul 19, 2019 15:00:17 GMT
Off the bench I’d like to think he’d add something as replacement for the main strikers / Powell. Good at running with the ball which should be useful late in games. Also a decent goal threat.
As bad as he was towards the end of last season, worth remembering he was our best player for the first half of the season and instrumental in most of our best performances.
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Post by Caddick988 on Jul 19, 2019 15:06:17 GMT
I think his best position in the diamond formation would be CAM. I think he could play RF or maybe as a wide RCM as some have already pointed out he has played in pre-season. Ideally, he's best suited to RW in a front 3.
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Post by numberounominion on Jul 19, 2019 16:10:38 GMT
I think Nj would like a tough tackling side
For the one possible light weight position, I think both Powell and verlinden offer more
Ince is the architect of his own downfall
If you're not going to put a shift in and get stuck in, then it's very difficult for any manager, to find any role, for you,in any system
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Post by tony1234 on Jul 19, 2019 16:35:37 GMT
He doesn't, other than as an expensive Plan B. He's a wide forward. Same as Verlinden. Maclean doesn't either.
We've swapped the goals and assists of Ince for Powell, Afobe for Gregory.
Let's see - but feels like about 6 steps forward and 6 back this window and im a little dizzy.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 19, 2019 16:39:20 GMT
Does he fit anywhere,he really isn't a team player,is he?
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jul 19, 2019 17:22:05 GMT
Inside any decent left-back's pocket.
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Post by wearepremierleague on Jul 19, 2019 18:40:45 GMT
Think Tom Ince could do really well in this league with some decent players around him. Was our only attacking force for half the season and gets a lot of unfair stick IMO
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2019 18:51:23 GMT
He has played RCM in the Diamond a bit in pre season and that has made me wonder a little... Playing RCM, as vs Leek Town, is going to be slightly harder when you come up against Leeds, WBA, Cardiff et al. He will be required to do a lot of chasing back, putting the boot in, covering for the advancing fb, in other words everything that is alien to Tom Ince. If Jones hasn't been able to see that last season when he was played further upfield, he will soon find out. If unfortunately he does stay here, I can only see him being a supersub, someone you send on with 5-10 minutes to go, to score or lay on a winning goal, without having to chase back, tackle or cover for others. |
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Post by thehoof on Jul 19, 2019 20:09:53 GMT
He is really nothing special, which is why he never lasts anywhere for any length of time.
If he stays perhaps Jones will get the tune out of him that some think he’s capable of, if he leaves, would we notice?
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Post by nottinghamstokie on Jul 19, 2019 20:31:01 GMT
Off the bench I’d like to think he’d add something as replacement for the main strikers / Powell. Good at running with the ball which should be useful late in games. Also a decent goal threat. As bad as he was towards the end of last season, worth remembering he was our best player for the first half of the season and instrumental in most of our best performances. BEST player ???? What are you drinking / smoking ??? |
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Post by Championship Potter on Jul 19, 2019 21:44:34 GMT
Off the bench I’d like to think he’d add something as replacement for the main strikers / Powell. Good at running with the ball which should be useful late in games. Also a decent goal threat. As bad as he was towards the end of last season, worth remembering he was our best player for the first half of the season and instrumental in most of our best performances. BEST player ???? What are you drinking / smoking ??? Who was better in the first half of the season? |
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Post by sean on Jul 19, 2019 22:16:47 GMT
I am sure that Tom Ince's best position is left back take your pick
1)in the dressing room
2)in the stands
3)on the bus
It's really strange how he completely lacks any of his dad's basic footballing attitudes effort work rate and a will to win.
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Post by stokesaint1 on Jul 19, 2019 23:06:20 GMT
The biggest issue with Tom Ince is that annoying bloke in his ear all the time telling him and the rest of the world that he's the best thing since sliced bread. The same bloke who says Tom Ince probably won't be staying at Stoke if the manager persists on playing that stupid diamond system. There is a reason Tom Ince has had so many clubs already and, for me, it isn't Tom Ince.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 19, 2019 23:07:57 GMT
He is really nothing special, which is why he never lasts anywhere for any length of time. If he stays perhaps Jones will get the tune out of him that some think he’s capable of, if he leaves, would we notice? He's already shown he's capable in this league, at more than one club. |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jul 19, 2019 23:30:20 GMT
He is really nothing special, which is why he never lasts anywhere for any length of time. If he stays perhaps Jones will get the tune out of him that some think he’s capable of, if he leaves, would we notice? He's already shown he's capable in this league, at more than one club. “More than one club” @ 26/27. Think about it. |
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Post by tony1234 on Jul 19, 2019 23:58:09 GMT
It worries deeply me that a guy who was one of the league's best players on 4 or 5 occasions in 6 seasons looks so average with us. Last year was his worst season in 8 he's had in the championship.
Yes, the onus is on him to perform. But its not like there isn't a pattern here. Same with Woods, same with Clucas, same (admittedly with less track record) with Afobe.
We can have our opinions on how good they actually are, but this group aren't overt trouble makers or bad eggs. These have had very strong seasons at this level.
I would have preferred the fix was that we got good players to play to the potential they've already proven they have, than dip into the bargain bin for earnest but less talented triers.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 20, 2019 0:21:12 GMT
I really don’t get the hate for Ince.
He’s a cracking player who just needs to be used right. #10 isn’t that mind.
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