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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 4, 2019 13:39:07 GMT
I see Sky are running with this now or Dorsett is🤔
Bojan
Pieters
Cameron
Wimmer
Imbula
Badou
Bauer?
Diouf?
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Post by neddy on Jul 4, 2019 13:41:42 GMT
Not Badou? He’s at the AFCON
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2019 13:41:43 GMT
I see Sky are running with this now or Dorsett is🤔 Bojan Pieters Cameron Wimmer Imbula Badou Bauer? Diouf? Ngoy is the 8th. Badou not on the list. He's not pissing about I like his style in that respect, time will tell if it works I guess..... |
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Post by pez75 on Jul 4, 2019 13:42:47 GMT
Tymon was mentioned in a previous article - maybe Bojan is not on the list as he has been asked not to report back...?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2019 13:43:39 GMT
Tymon was mentioned in a previous article - maybe Bojan is not on the list as he has been asked not to report back...? Bojan Cameron Wimmer Imbula Ngoy Pieters Diouf Bauer |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2019 13:47:40 GMT
We've gone away to preseason with only one left back and one right back and left the other two behind...I am fully aware we are being linked with new players in those positions but given nothing is certain yet is anyone else not concerned that seems like a bad idea...?
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 4, 2019 13:54:19 GMT
If they're not in the plans, then what is the point in bringing them along?
We've needed a "clear-out" and to move forward for about 2 years now. Power to him, he did the same at Luton in his first pre-season there so it's obviously part of his MO. If it goes half as well as it did there, we'll be pretty happy I reckon.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2019 13:57:51 GMT
If they're not in the plans, then what is the point in bringing them along? We've needed a "clear-out" and to move forward for about 2 years now. Power to him, he did the same at Luton in his first pre-season there so it's obviously part of his MO. If it goes half as well as it did there, we'll be pretty happy I reckon. Because if Edwards or Ward gets injured we've got no back up? Half as well as he did at Luton would technically be around the lower half of League One. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 4, 2019 14:00:21 GMT
If they're not in the plans, then what is the point in bringing them along? We've needed a "clear-out" and to move forward for about 2 years now. Power to him, he did the same at Luton in his first pre-season there so it's obviously part of his MO. If it goes half as well as it did there, we'll be pretty happy I reckon. Because if Edwards or Ward gets injured we've got no back up? Half as well as he did at Luton would technically be around the lower half of League One. Yeah, so leaving a team a league above where he found them? If Ward and Edwards get injured, it still doesn't change the fact he doesn't want those players playing for him does it? They're not in his plans to play this season at all, so Edwards and Ward picking up knocks is a moot point because their replacements will be people we're yet to bring in. Why would you invest training time and resources in a player you know you want to get rid of and not use? |
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Jul 4, 2019 14:18:22 GMT
Correct decision from NJ, IMO.
Why bother giving the likes of Cameron etc game time over there if he's not going to figure for us?
We will bring in a few more players into the areas we're short - I'm sure of it, but I back NJ's decision to leave 8 out - he's building a cohesive unit here, he doesn't need people who're on the periphery in and around them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2019 14:19:33 GMT
Because if Edwards or Ward gets injured we've got no back up? Half as well as he did at Luton would technically be around the lower half of League One. Yeah, so leaving a team a league above where he found them? If Ward and Edwards get injured, it still doesn't change the fact he doesn't want those players playing for him does it? They're not in his plans to play this season at all, so Edwards and Ward picking up knocks is a moot point because their replacements will be people we're yet to bring in. Why would you invest training time and resources in a player you know you want to get rid of and not use? My point is what if he doesn't get the replacements he wants? |
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Jul 4, 2019 14:24:09 GMT
Yeah, so leaving a team a league above where he found them? If Ward and Edwards get injured, it still doesn't change the fact he doesn't want those players playing for him does it? They're not in his plans to play this season at all, so Edwards and Ward picking up knocks is a moot point because their replacements will be people we're yet to bring in. Why would you invest training time and resources in a player you know you want to get rid of and not use? My point is what if he doesn't get the replacements he wants? He's had all the additions he's wanted thus far, according to him. The club is clearly backing him by leaving these players out at his say so - so why would they not back him in getting the replacements he wants now? They've backed him all the way so far, I don't see it stopping here. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 4, 2019 14:24:50 GMT
Yeah, so leaving a team a league above where he found them? If Ward and Edwards get injured, it still doesn't change the fact he doesn't want those players playing for him does it? They're not in his plans to play this season at all, so Edwards and Ward picking up knocks is a moot point because their replacements will be people we're yet to bring in. Why would you invest training time and resources in a player you know you want to get rid of and not use? My point is what if he doesn't get the replacements he wants? Then A: he will have been failed by the recruitment team and they would rightly bear the responsibility if they can't bring in any more players in a month. I don't believe that will happen. B: It still doesn't change the fact he doesn't want these players anywhere near the first team. Erik Pieters cannot play a diamond formation, because he is shit scared of the halfway line and let's not talk about his crossing. C: Do we still want these players, after most of them have let us down over and over again in just as a default? I know I don't. D: Even if his primary targets don't come off, he'll have back up options. He has stated he wants backup in every position. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2019 14:32:21 GMT
My point is what if he doesn't get the replacements he wants? Then A: he will have been failed by the recruitment team and they would rightly bear the responsibility if they can't bring in any more players in a month. I don't believe that will happen. B: It still doesn't change the fact he doesn't want these players anywhere near the first team. Erik Pieters cannot play a diamond formation, because he is shit scared of the halfway line and let's not talk about his crossing. C: Do we still want these players, after most of them have let us down over and over again in just as a default? I know I don't. D: Even if his primary targets don't come off, he'll have back up options. He has stated he wants backup in every position. Is Ward not exactly the same player as Pieters or have I missed something there? |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 4, 2019 14:34:43 GMT
Then A: he will have been failed by the recruitment team and they would rightly bear the responsibility if they can't bring in any more players in a month. I don't believe that will happen. B: It still doesn't change the fact he doesn't want these players anywhere near the first team. Erik Pieters cannot play a diamond formation, because he is shit scared of the halfway line and let's not talk about his crossing. C: Do we still want these players, after most of them have let us down over and over again in just as a default? I know I don't. D: Even if his primary targets don't come off, he'll have back up options. He has stated he wants backup in every position. Is Ward not exactly the same player as Pieters or have I missed something there? Stephen Ward who at various times in his career has played LB,LWB and LAM in attacking roles, not limited defensive ones. He's been renown for his left sided versatility through his career. Erik Pieters is a decent defensive left back, but nothing more. Whenever he goes forward, he struggles. |
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Post by hanibal7 on Jul 4, 2019 14:39:04 GMT
If they're not in the plans, then what is the point in bringing them along? We've needed a "clear-out" and to move forward for about 2 years now. Power to him, he did the same at Luton in his first pre-season there so it's obviously part of his MO. If it goes half as well as it did there, we'll be pretty happy I reckon. Because if Edwards or Ward gets injured we've got no back up? Half as well as he did at Luton would technically be around the lower half of League One. He has Indi at left back |
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Post by heworksardtho on Jul 4, 2019 14:40:37 GMT
5 a side with 3 subs 😎
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Post by blackpoolred on Jul 4, 2019 14:42:40 GMT
We've gone away to preseason with only one left back and one right back and left the other two behind...I am fully aware we are being linked with new players in those positions but given nothing is certain yet is anyone else not concerned that seems like a bad idea...? My only surprise is that we actually have 1 left-back at the club. The current manager thought it was ok to have zero in the 2nd half of last season - so don't be expecting anymore  The lack of any competition/numbers and quality at left/right back has been costing us dearly for the last few seasons and I can't understand when they got rid of Pieters and the lad from Everton why they were not replaced(whatever you think of the quality of them) - truly bizarre. But at least he has recognised we need at least 1 left-back in the squad and as you say there is still time in the window |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2019 14:45:32 GMT
My point is what if he doesn't get the replacements he wants? Then A: he will have been failed by the recruitment team and they would rightly bear the responsibility if they can't bring in any more players in a month. I don't believe that will happen. B: It still doesn't change the fact he doesn't want these players anywhere near the first team. Erik Pieters cannot play a diamond formation, because he is shit scared of the halfway line and let's not talk about his crossing. C: Do we still want these players, after most of them have let us down over and over again in just as a default? I know I don't. D: Even if his primary targets don't come off, he'll have back up options. He has stated he wants backup in every position. Just because we have a particular bad egg in Berahino doesn't mean "most of them" eight players "have let us down over and over again". It's simply not true. Unless you mean they let us down getting relegated? If so there are plenty more who should out the door... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2019 14:48:54 GMT
Because if Edwards or Ward gets injured we've got no back up? Half as well as he did at Luton would technically be around the lower half of League One. He has Indi at left back You're honestly telling me you think Bruno is a better left back than Pieters? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2019 14:49:43 GMT
Is Ward not exactly the same player as Pieters or have I missed something there? Stephen Ward who at various times in his career has played LB,LWB and LAM in attacking roles, not limited defensive ones. He's been renown for his left sided versatility through his career. Erik Pieters is a decent defensive left back, but nothing more. Whenever he goes forward, he struggles. Except when he scored those two screamers last season... |
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Post by boothenender on Jul 4, 2019 14:50:46 GMT
Well done Nathan Jones.
Let the PURGE begin.
So much dead wood and over inflated egos have almost destroyed our club.
This is what Stoke City have needed for a long time.
I am really starting to look forward to the new season.
A am hoping for a top 6 finish this season and a serious shot at promotion next season.
Well done Nathan Jones,finally we have a Manager with a pair of bollocks and a set of teeth to bite the parasites that have bled this club for too long.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 4, 2019 14:52:03 GMT
Then A: he will have been failed by the recruitment team and they would rightly bear the responsibility if they can't bring in any more players in a month. I don't believe that will happen. B: It still doesn't change the fact he doesn't want these players anywhere near the first team. Erik Pieters cannot play a diamond formation, because he is shit scared of the halfway line and let's not talk about his crossing. C: Do we still want these players, after most of them have let us down over and over again in just as a default? I know I don't. D: Even if his primary targets don't come off, he'll have back up options. He has stated he wants backup in every position. Just because we have a particular bad egg in Berahino doesn't mean "most of them" eight players "have let us down over and over again". It's simply not true. Unless you mean they let us down getting relegated? If so there are plenty more who should out the door... That's why I say most, not all. For me, Wimmer, Imbula, Diouf, Bauer and Berahino have let us down multiple times. Diouf through lack of talent though not through effort or attitude. Which probably applies to Pieters too in 17/18. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 4, 2019 14:53:06 GMT
Stephen Ward who at various times in his career has played LB,LWB and LAM in attacking roles, not limited defensive ones. He's been renown for his left sided versatility through his career. Erik Pieters is a decent defensive left back, but nothing more. Whenever he goes forward, he struggles. Except when he scored those two screamers last season... He admitted he starting shooting because it's better than his crossing. That's not what you want from your fullback in a system where they are your wide outlets. Let's not re-write history, even at his peak Erik was absolute tosh going forward and we all know it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2019 14:53:34 GMT
Well done Nathan Jones. Let the PURGE begin. So much dead wood and over inflated egos have almost destroyed our club. This is what Stoke City have needed for a l9ng time. I am really starting to look forward to the new season. A am hoping for a top 6 finish this season and a serious shot at promotion next season. Well done Nathan Jones,finally we have a Manager with a pair of bollocks and a set of teeth to bite the parasites that have bled this club for too long. Who on earth are you calling a parasite other than Wimmer and Imbula in that list exactly? Cameron, Diouf and Pieters were stalwarts that gave their best to this club for years. Bauer's fallen out of favour through no fault of his own - its not like he gave himself a new contract last summer. And Ngoy has done fuck all wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2019 15:00:45 GMT
Just because we have a particular bad egg in Berahino doesn't mean "most of them" eight players "have let us down over and over again". It's simply not true. Unless you mean they let us down getting relegated? If so there are plenty more who should out the door... That's why I say most, not all. For me, Wimmer, Imbula, Diouf, Bauer and Berahino have let us down multiple times. Diouf through lack of talent though not through effort or attitude. Which probably applies to Pieters too in 17/18. They can't let you down by lack of talent. Diouf, Bauer, Bojan, Tymons, Cameron, and Pieters were bought as is. You can blame the club for buying them but you can't blame the players for who they are. So you are very wrong in saying "most" when it applies to 1-3 players. Fwiw I don't think Imbula and Wimmer let us down. They were badly managed, and in Imbula's case there was a culture clash, in which he didn't help himself but he also wasn't helped by the club. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2019 15:03:49 GMT
Except when he scored those two screamers last season... He admitted he starting shooting because it's better than his crossing. That's not what you want from your fullback in a system where they are your wide outlets. Let's not re-write history, even at his peak Erik was absolute tosh going forward and we all know it. I'm not re-writing history but in the absence of this magical attacking full back appearing Erik is a perfectly competent championship standard left back so until such player is brought in and who knows who that will be now JJ has gone to Leicester, this seems odd to me. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 4, 2019 15:10:20 GMT
That's why I say most, not all. For me, Wimmer, Imbula, Diouf, Bauer and Berahino have let us down multiple times. Diouf through lack of talent though not through effort or attitude. Which probably applies to Pieters too in 17/18. They can't let you down by lack of talent. Diouf, Bauer, Bojan, Tymons, Cameron, and Pieters were bought as is. You can blame the club for buying them but you can't blame the players for who they are. So you are very wrong in saying "most" when it applies to 1-3 players. Fwiw I don't think Imbula and Wimmer let us down. They were badly managed, and in Imbula's case there was a culture clash, in which he didn't help himself but he also wasn't helped by the club. Fair enough opinions, I think Wimmer and Imbula did let us down a lot but your argument is fair. However, the wider point of bringing back players who haven't performed for this club in recent years be it through attitude or not being good enough, justifying why the manager wants to try other options stands doesn't it? I don't Jones can be critcised for leaving them at home when the evidence is there for all to see that it's time to move on. He's criticised for bringing in players that people don't think will be good enough, but then also criticised for not taking those who have PROVEN not to be good enough with him on pre-season and wanting to sell. The bloke can't win. |
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Post by boothenender on Jul 4, 2019 15:12:37 GMT
Well done Nathan Jones. Let the PURGE begin. So much dead wood and over inflated egos have almost destroyed our club. This is what Stoke City have needed for a l9ng time. I am really starting to look forward to the new season. A am hoping for a top 6 finish this season and a serious shot at promotion next season. Well done Nathan Jones,finally we have a Manager with a pair of bollocks and a set of teeth to bite the parasites that have bled this club for too long. Who on earth are you calling a parasite other than Wimmer and Imbula in that list exactly? Cameron, Diouf and Pieters were stalwarts that gave their best to this club for years. Bauer's fallen out of favour through no fault of his own - its not like he gave himself a new contract last summer. And Ngoy has done fuck all wrong. |
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Post by spiderpuss on Jul 4, 2019 15:13:17 GMT
That list is the "find another club" guys list.
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