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Post by neilb987 on Jul 4, 2019 22:23:41 GMT
Looks like Jones has given up trying to turn Bauer and Tymon into defenders then?
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Post by Rt Hon Reverend Luvpump on Jul 4, 2019 22:58:00 GMT
Just because we have a particular bad egg in Berahino doesn't mean "most of them" eight players "have let us down over and over again". It's simply not true. Unless you mean they let us down getting relegated? If so there are plenty more who should out the door... That's why I say most, not all. For me, Wimmer, Imbula, Diouf, Bauer and Berahino have let us down multiple times. Diouf through lack of talent though not through effort or attitude. Which probably applies to Pieters too in 17/18. I disagree with the Diouf comment previous seasons great attitude and energy but last season when he played I thought he didn’t give a shit he seemed half arsed.
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Post by hyaduck on Jul 5, 2019 2:56:46 GMT
Yeah, so leaving a team a league above where he found them? If Ward and Edwards get injured, it still doesn't change the fact he doesn't want those players playing for him does it? They're not in his plans to play this season at all, so Edwards and Ward picking up knocks is a moot point because their replacements will be people we're yet to bring in. Why would you invest training time and resources in a player you know you want to get rid of and not use? My point is what if he doesn't get the replacements he wants? Diouf is easy, he only has to go up Fenton park on Sunday morning, there's your replacement.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2019 4:43:46 GMT
No, what he said was about what he did on the pitch. As for G's English, it's just an endlessly perpetuated fake myth. He speaks some English. Where do you get that “information” from? Apparently he speaks hardly any English and avoided communicating with his teammates. Imbula and his “agent “ (his father) according to French press reports appear to have scammed us. He apparently didn’t really want to play in the UK, and once they had secured the jackpot five year contract, he allegedly behaved and played in such a way as to to get a loan back to mainland Europe, within a very short time of his arrival. The Sentinel wrote about conversations he had with Whelan. As far as I know he doesn't speak French... Imbula played vey well for his first 15 matches here, some people were quite ecstatic, but then he was dropped without explanation, which made him lose heart. And then further fake myths were created and you took it all in, as if it was the only truth possible. But as I already said Imbula didn't help himself.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2019 4:53:51 GMT
I asked earlier this week who was going to train the blocked players and there was no answer. We're just going to have 10 unfit players that no one will buy because their rep's been shattered and they're unfit to play. Which means we'll have ten unhappy men knocking about the place. As I said it's a recipe for a bad atmosphere, and it will impact on the whole club. They are training with the U23's to avoid that issue Bad news for the younger players though even if it's only for two months. That's my point exactly. It's very poor management just to shift older players to train with kids. It doesn't do them any good, and it doesn't do the youths any good. They should be training with their peers. This problem is not going to go away. The players, for the most part, don't want to leave, because of their excessively good contracts, and prospective clubs don't want them because they won't/can't pay any such wages.
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Post by lordb on Jul 5, 2019 5:58:27 GMT
They are training with the U23's to avoid that issue Bad news for the younger players though even if it's only for two months. That's my point exactly. It's very poor management just to shift older players to train with kids. It doesn't do them any good, and it doesn't do the youths any good. They should be training with their peers. This problem is not going to go away. The players, for the most part, don't want to leave, because of their excessively good contracts, and prospective clubs don't want them because they won't/can't pay any such wages. It's definitely bad news for the kids however they are at least training so fitness won't be a barrier to moving them on. Lots of loans imminent I'd imagine.
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Post by vahl on Jul 5, 2019 8:37:52 GMT
He released 9 players when he got to Luton and got 8 back in.
He makes it his own team so you can only go along with it really, good luck to him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2019 9:39:51 GMT
That's my point exactly. It's very poor management just to shift older players to train with kids. It doesn't do them any good, and it doesn't do the youths any good. They should be training with their peers. This problem is not going to go away. The players, for the most part, don't want to leave, because of their excessively good contracts, and prospective clubs don't want them because they won't/can't pay any such wages. It's definitely bad news for the kids however they are at least training so fitness won't be a barrier to moving them on. Lots of loans imminent I'd imagine. Wages paid by scfc
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Post by thefarpost on Jul 5, 2019 9:49:08 GMT
That list is the "find another club" guys list.
It's somewhat disturbing that SCFC are finding it very hard to get rid of the hardcore of deadbeat players.
I suspect no one else wants to match their contracts and they won't take a drop in wages and move on. SCFC are starting to look like a retirement home for over the top players. No one is rushing in for Buttland at the price SC are asking.
It's been building up to this for a few years and it looks like it will take a few more years to sort it. Sad really, but it reflect badly on the management I'm afraid.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jul 5, 2019 11:58:36 GMT
That list is the "find another club" guys list. It's somewhat disturbing that SCFC are finding it very hard to get rid of the hardcore of deadbeat players. I suspect no one else wants to match their contracts and they won't take a drop in wages and move on. SCFC are starting to look like a retirement home for over the top players. No one is rushing in for Buttland at the price SC are asking. It's been building up to this for a few years and it looks like it will take a few more years to sort it. Sad really, but it reflect badly on the management I'm afraid.
Its not really that surprising is it? These are players on very high salaries, with very low footballing credability (with *poor ability, attitude, application - ((*apparently)) No surprise clubs are/might steer clear.
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Post by reddipotter on Jul 5, 2019 12:34:03 GMT
That list is the "find another club" guys list. It's somewhat disturbing that SCFC are finding it very hard to get rid of the hardcore of deadbeat players. I suspect no one else wants to match their contracts and they won't take a drop in wages and move on. SCFC are starting to look like a retirement home for over the top players. No one is rushing in for Buttland at the price SC are asking. It's been building up to this for a few years and it looks like it will take a few more years to sort it. Sad really, but it reflect badly on the management I'm afraid.
Your general point is accurate, but I'm not sure how Butland gets mentioned here?
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 5, 2019 12:56:46 GMT
It's somewhat disturbing that SCFC are finding it very hard to get rid of the hardcore of deadbeat players. I suspect no one else wants to match their contracts and they won't take a drop in wages and move on. SCFC are starting to look like a retirement home for over the top players. No one is rushing in for Buttland at the price SC are asking. It's been building up to this for a few years and it looks like it will take a few more years to sort it. Sad really, but it reflect badly on the management I'm afraid.
Its not really that surprising is it? These are players on very high salaries, with very low footballing credability (with *poor ability, attitude, application - ((*apparently)) No surprise clubs are/might steer clear. Makes you wonder how these issues were missed during our in depth due diligence carried out before committing to pay these huge prices high wages and long contracts.
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Post by thefarpost on Jul 5, 2019 13:39:09 GMT
Its not really that surprising is it? These are players on very high salaries, with very low footballing credability (with *poor ability, attitude, application - ((*apparently)) No surprise clubs are/might steer clear. Makes you wonder how these issues were missed during our in depth due diligence carried out before committing to pay these huge prices high wages and long contracts.
Most supporters could see the way things were going three years ago. Things really started to go downbank in the 2016/17 season. It doesn't seem that the people running the club could see this, or if they could, then they couldn't deal with it.
Most clubs have the odd player or two who they would like to move on but can't. We seem to have almost a teamfull!
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Post by GoBoks on Jul 5, 2019 15:49:50 GMT
Didn't help himself as in refusing to even try to learn a single word of English? Like the man said, he let us down. No, what he said was about what he did on the pitch. As for G's English, it's just an endlessly perpetuated fake myth. He speaks some English. I bow to your vastly superior knowledge of all things wrong with Stoke. Obviously NJ, PC, TS, et al should bow also, because you know far better than they what to do to get Stoke back where it should be.
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Post by stokefan1972 on Jul 5, 2019 16:50:59 GMT
He released 9 players when he got to Luton and got 8 back in. He makes it his own team so you can only go along with it really, good luck to him. how do you know that?
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Post by miggoscfc on Jul 5, 2019 17:01:36 GMT
He released 9 players when he got to Luton and got 8 back in. He makes it his own team so you can only go along with it really, good luck to him. how do you know that? Between his history and the words he has spoken im confused as to why you would question this ?
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 5, 2019 17:46:06 GMT
We have Clucas who can play LB which actually is his best position.
I'd take Bauer, but apart from that then I suppose it's a good call reminding the players they have no future and encourages them to push for moves with their agents rather than sit on their salaries .
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Post by lordb on Jul 5, 2019 17:55:04 GMT
It's definitely bad news for the kids however they are at least training so fitness won't be a barrier to moving them on. Lots of loans imminent I'd imagine. Wages paid by scfc Mmm It'll vary None of the players who went on loan last season had 100% of their wages paid by Stoke City so don't see why it would be different this season.
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Post by Absolution on Jul 5, 2019 18:38:51 GMT
Mmm It'll vary None of the players who went on loan last season had 100% of their wages paid by Stoke City so don't see why it would be different this season. Didn't Pieters?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 5, 2019 19:18:06 GMT
We have Clucas who can play LB which actually is his best position. I'd take Bauer, but apart from that then I suppose it's a good call reminding the players they have no future and encourages them to push for moves with their agents rather than sit on their salaries . Who says its his best position? You? People that have worked with him?
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Post by lordb on Jul 5, 2019 21:06:00 GMT
Mmm It'll vary None of the players who went on loan last season had 100% of their wages paid by Stoke City so don't see why it would be different this season. Didn't Pieters? Don't think so however it would have been a small contribution from Amiens
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Post by lordb on Jul 5, 2019 21:07:33 GMT
We have Clucas who can play LB which actually is his best position. I'd take Bauer, but apart from that then I suppose it's a good call reminding the players they have no future and encourages them to push for moves with their agents rather than sit on their salaries . Who says its his best position? You? People that have worked with him? In his Stoke appearances he's probably played best at left back. Not really conclusive , don't mind seeing him there again especially at home.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 5, 2019 22:20:17 GMT
Didn't help himself as in refusing to even try to learn a single word of English? Like the man said, he let us down. No, what he said was about what he did on the pitch. As for G's English, it's just an endlessly perpetuated fake myth. He speaks some English. Is a fake myth a truth or something so made up it was never made up in the first place and therefore could never actually be either true or false nor not false and neither not untrue? Jones out. Or possibly in, Who knows.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 5, 2019 22:59:04 GMT
Its not really that surprising is it? These are players on very high salaries, with very low footballing credability (with *poor ability, attitude, application - ((*apparently)) No surprise clubs are/might steer clear. Makes you wonder how these issues were missed during our in depth due diligence carried out before committing to pay these huge prices high wages and long contracts. If the manager chooses to ignore it then there's not a lot they can do.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2019 6:09:49 GMT
Mmm It'll vary None of the players who went on loan last season had 100% of their wages paid by Stoke City so don't see why it would be different this season. Imbula probably did. The details of his loan was avoided, which probably was so Stoke didnt lose face. There's no way poor Rayo could have paid him
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Post by lordb on Jul 6, 2019 6:45:43 GMT
Mmm It'll vary None of the players who went on loan last season had 100% of their wages paid by Stoke City so don't see why it would be different this season. Imbula probably did. The details of his loan was avoided, which probably was so Stoke didnt lose face. There's no way poor Rayo could have paid him There were more than one club in for him last summer no way did we get nothing Even if it was only a very small percentage
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 6, 2019 8:48:20 GMT
Imbula probably did. The details of his loan was avoided, which probably was so Stoke didnt lose face. There's no way poor Rayo could have paid him There were more than one club in for him last summer no way did we get nothing Even if it was only a very small percentage How come this interest doesn't create a bid to buy the useless fecker or record signing
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Post by lordb on Jul 6, 2019 9:18:22 GMT
There were more than one club in for him last summer no way did we get nothing Even if it was only a very small percentage How come this interest doesn't create a bid to buy the useless fecker or record signing Because he's on a bloody fortune There's enough interest to take him at a fraction of his wages which is why he will keep going out on loan until either the end of his contract or maybe the one before that, same with Wimmer. Diouf,Pieters,Cameron should be easier to shift because they only have a year and they aren't bad professionals.
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Post by strangerthingshappen on Jul 6, 2019 9:20:20 GMT
Raffle them off 50p a Ticket
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Post by iglugluk on Jul 6, 2019 18:54:30 GMT
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