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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 26, 2019 9:03:13 GMT
I don't really see a problem here - providing that we do sign another, younger, pacier attacking left back. I'm all for Jones's preference for having two specialists available for every position. That is a better option than having a load of versatile "jack of all trades" type of player who "can do a job in an emergency." Obviously you need one or two players who can play in an alternative position because you never know how injury/suspension can unbalance the squad - but the basic theory of two specialist players for each position in the squad is sound. Jones favourite player seems to be the archetypal jack of all trades master none, in Sam Clucas. Unfortunately he seems to be the first name on the teamsheet!
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 26, 2019 9:05:00 GMT
Hmm Jonesy sure loves a "DNA" signing doesn't he?!
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Post by george2again on Jun 26, 2019 9:05:30 GMT
Clucus can play left back. What a waste of money again. Nathan Jones won't last till xmas is my guess. Having stated we need, energetic, pacey, athletic players hes gone completly opposite. Were already the slowest team on the planet and the 5/6 incomings dont help that at all. If the diamond is not perfectly polished we could be looking at a relegation battle. I have to say I never wanted him as manager and posted early in to his tenure I thought he had a low league mentality. This is filtering through now. Great post, loving the positivity 👍 I live in the real world. NJ was shocking last season , worse than the bloke we sacked. He had no impact on the team at all and made them worse. The mark of a decent manager is one who can motivate the same set of players another could not - he failed to do that with knobs on. I posted on day one when he was appointed he would condem us to a long stint in the Championship and stand by that. All the give hims a pre-season with his own players hype is wishful thinking and the players he is recruiting are slow low league players nobody really wants. I would love this to work for Stoke but if his sysytem does not work early on it will fall apart for him. Positive or negative everyone has a view mine is based on evidence of last season and the ''type'' of player we are recruiting. You have your gut instict and I have mine.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 26, 2019 9:05:42 GMT
I know a lot of people don't like the FM19-level analysis. But he's still got reasonable athleticism stats on there, but they would have been gauged over a year ago. Burnley only ever employ solid, solid, solid citizens. So he passes the Dyche character test - and as long as he's back-up on a 1-yr deal, it's not the end of the world. The key will be who we get in as first choice LB.
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Post by Block 22 on Jun 26, 2019 9:06:05 GMT
At this point I’m just praying it’s only a 12 month deal. Absolutely any more would be bonkers.
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Post by wallros on Jun 26, 2019 9:06:11 GMT
decent back up, better the erik (given).
people are going have to realise very quick that we are now a championship club. they are also going have to realise we wont be absolutely battering teams for 90 minutes! therefore, a solid left back (not wing back) will be needed. people go on about Edwards being great, but in all honesty he cant defend on a consistent basis. we are going to be up against it at times this season, good honest pros who can actually defend for 90 minutes are needed!
however, chance he's only there for a trial/pre season.
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Post by realstokebloke on Jun 26, 2019 9:06:27 GMT
Firstly, it looks as if he’s on trial. Secondly, we want to sign 2 LB’s he’d seem like a good choice backup. Tasted promotion twice, good character & adds experience to the dressing room. Don’t see what’s not to like. A 34 year old LB journeyman in one of the most physically demanding roles on the side perhaps?
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Post by george2again on Jun 26, 2019 9:06:48 GMT
Really glad we've gone after Ward. Potentially the best left back in the league. Hope your taking the piss?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 26, 2019 9:06:53 GMT
The diamond has a left back and that's it. The key position. We've gone from a young hungry full back to Stephen Ward. It's just very Stoke. Yup. Just said as much on the transfer thread.
In fact it's the kind of signing you'd have expected ol' VT to have made.
What a damp squib on day 1.I'd rather we kept Ekker.
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Post by george2again on Jun 26, 2019 9:09:06 GMT
Erik ove him anyday.
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Post by Block 22 on Jun 26, 2019 9:09:22 GMT
decent back up, better the erik (given). people are going have to realise very quick that we are now a championship club. they are also going have to realise we wont be absolutely battering teams for 90 minutes! therefore, a solid left back (not wing back) will be needed. people go on about Edwards being great, but in all honesty he cant defend on a consistent basis. we are going to be up against it at times this season, good honest pros who can actually defend for 90 minutes are needed! however, chance he's only there for a trial/pre season. I think we have all accepted that we are going to be attracting a lower-level standard of player but that doesn’t mean we need to pick people out of the pension queue.
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Post by realstokebloke on Jun 26, 2019 9:10:11 GMT
I know a lot of people don't like the FM19-level analysis. But he's still got reasonable athleticism stats on there, but they would have been gauged over a year ago. Burnley only ever employ solid, solid, solid citizens. So he passes the Dyche character test - and as long as he's back-up on a 1-yr deal, it's not the end of the world. The key will be who we get in as first choice LB. Yup, that's the absolute top and bottom of it.
Even then, you've got to think we already have cover (SC who is a Jones keeper & even JMcM who, hopefully, might not be).
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Post by werrington on Jun 26, 2019 9:11:43 GMT
He can cover a variety of left side positions People losing their shit over absolutely anything or anybody on here Seriously the player some want hasn’t been invented yet But we've only got ONE left-sided role in this system, Wez. Maybe he’s just cover mate as we literally have none at all
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 26, 2019 9:11:43 GMT
Yup. Just said as much on the transfer thread.
In fact it's the kind of signing you'd have expected ol' VT to have made.
What a damp squib on day 1. I'd rather we kept Ekker. Me too, by a long way. Is there an issue with Pieters, why did he go out on loan in the first place?
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jun 26, 2019 9:12:19 GMT
Great post, loving the positivity 👍 I live in the real world. NJ was shocking last season , worse than the bloke we sacked. He had no impact on the team at all and made them worse. The mark of a decent manager is one who can motivate the same set of players another could not - he failed to do that with knobs on. I posted on day one when he was appointed he would condem us to a long stint in the Championship and stand by that. All the give hims a pre-season with his own players hype is wishful thinking and the players he is recruiting are slow low league players nobody really wants. I would love this to work for Stoke but if his sysytem does not work early on it will fall apart for him. Positive or negative everyone has a view mine is based on evidence of last season and the ''type'' of player we are recruiting. You have your gut instict and I have mine. So Celtic weren't after Powell and Lindsay then?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2019 9:12:58 GMT
Firstly, it looks as if he’s on trial. Secondly, we want to sign 2 LB’s he’d seem like a good choice backup. Tasted promotion twice, good character & adds experience to the dressing room. Don’t see what’s not to like. A 34 year old LB journeyman in one of the most physically demanding roles on the side perhaps? As a back up? You don’t suddenly become crippled at 34.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 26, 2019 9:14:09 GMT
I know a lot of people don't like the FM19-level analysis. But he's still got reasonable athleticism stats on there, but they would have been gauged over a year ago. Burnley only ever employ solid, solid, solid citizens. So he passes the Dyche character test - and as long as he's back-up on a 1-yr deal, it's not the end of the world. The key will be who we get in as first choice LB. Yup, that's the absolute top and bottom of it.
Even then, you've got to think we already have cover (SC who is a Jones keeper & even JMcM who, hopefully, might not be). You'd think it would makes a McClean departure almost inevitable? I don't think he would have been content to just fight for the odd bit of action at LB as it was. And now it's hard to see him getting any at all. There's a chance he could come on to add a bit of energy off the bench in a more advanced role every now and again - but don't think he's the type who will be happy with that - or just picking up his wages for nothing.
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Post by azz1784 on Jun 26, 2019 9:14:18 GMT
Ward is not the kind of player we need when the full back position is critical to creativity in a Jones diamond formation. The full backs have to be athletic and ideally have pace that we are crying out for in the side as well as being able to deliver a good ball. Although his crossing lets him down massively, Eric is far superior to Ward in all other aspects of the role and seems to be another step backwards for the squad. I hope I’m wrong but we need to have an ace or two up our sleeves that make the diamond tick otherwise it could be another long season.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 26, 2019 9:15:49 GMT
A 34 year old LB journeyman in one of the most physically demanding roles on the side perhaps? As a back up? You don’t suddenly become crippled at 34. If he's injury free and professional, which it seems he is, he'll be fine for the season. Dani Alves is 36 and still runs about like someone half his age (obviously, I'm not comparing them ability wise, but they're both fullbacks)
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 26, 2019 9:15:51 GMT
I'd rather we kept Ekker. Me too, by a long way. Is there an issue with Pieters, why did he go out on loan in the first place? You hope it was personality based and not managerial judgement based or we are well and truly fooked!
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Post by werrington on Jun 26, 2019 9:15:55 GMT
So the oatcake MB who wanted Pieters fucked off are now wanting him back
Jeez
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Post by kelw on Jun 26, 2019 9:16:55 GMT
Firstly, it looks as if he’s on trial. Secondly, we want to sign 2 LB’s he’d seem like a good choice backup. Tasted promotion twice, good character & adds experience to the dressing room. Don’t see what’s not to like. A 34 year old LB journeyman in one of the most physically demanding roles on the side perhaps? Journeyman? Do you get jet lag flying to Dublin
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jun 26, 2019 9:17:32 GMT
Got a lovely range of gold knickers on order, hide piss stains really well.
£3 a pair, well stocks last
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Post by juiceandbits on Jun 26, 2019 9:17:39 GMT
Really glad we've gone after Ward. Potentially the best left back in the league. I really can't tell if you're joking.
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Post by realstokebloke on Jun 26, 2019 9:17:48 GMT
A 34 year old LB journeyman in one of the most physically demanding roles on the side perhaps? As a back up? You don’t suddenly become crippled at 34. I think the point really is there for all to see Dan tbh., back-up or not.
And overriding that one is that we could and should do much better.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 26, 2019 9:18:25 GMT
Yup, that's the absolute top and bottom of it.
Even then, you've got to think we already have cover (SC who is a Jones keeper & even JMcM who, hopefully, might not be). You'd think it would makes a McClean departure almost inevitable? I don't think he would have been content to just fight for the odd bit of action at LB as it was. And now it's hard to see him getting any at all. There's a chance he could come on to add a bit of energy off the bench in a more advanced role every now and again - but don't think he's the type who will be happy with that - or just picking up his wages for nothing. Has Jones actually stated categorically, that his intention is to play with a diamond next season?
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Post by mickey2693 on Jun 26, 2019 9:18:38 GMT
Ward is not the kind of player we need when the full back position is critical to creativity in a Jones diamond formation. The full backs have to be athletic and ideally have pace that we are crying out for in the side as well as being able to deliver a good ball. Although his crossing lets him down massively, Eric is far superior to Ward in all other aspects of the role and seems to be another step backwards for the squad. I hope I’m wrong but we need to have an ace or two up our sleeves that make the diamond tick otherwise it could be another long season. It's been mentioned numerous times he'd be here as a backup..
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jun 26, 2019 9:18:50 GMT
So the oatcake MB who wanted Pieters fucked off are now wanting him back Jeez I don't think it's that, more if Pieters doesn't fit into plans then how does Ward? He is basically the same player but older. I'm not arsed about Pieters either way but if you base it on age, I'd take Erik every single day.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jun 26, 2019 9:20:59 GMT
So we might be bringing in Ward and everyone assumes he'll be back up. And we've brought in Cousins to be what, our back up DM? I'm as concerned as most on here and both of these signings have me scratching my head. If Tymon isn't good enough to be back up left back to a new, young left back then he really needs binning. As it stands, two of the most important positions we needed to fill look like being taken by an injury prone midfielder who played under Nathan three years ago and has done very little since, and a 34 year old. And Ward really is one for the knacker's yard isn't he? The alarming lack of pace in our potential starting XI is frightening but I'll shut up before someone accuses me of being Bayern in disguise.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jun 26, 2019 9:21:03 GMT
At least it looks like we will have a natural left back starting the season instead of a slow central defender unable of running up and down on the left side. He might even put some decent crosses in as well!?
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