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Post by PotteringThrough on Sept 25, 2020 9:24:55 GMT
I would've agreed with you last year and also think Foden should've been out playing. But looking at it now, I think Man City have got their finger on the pulse and staying at the club is best for him. He's clearly developed over the last 12 months and maybe game time would've delivered that as well but their approach seems to be good for the youngsters. I'd love him on loan (& we should have gone for Foden on loan when we were still in the Prem because he's a damn good player) but I reckon working with Pep and those players will develop him into the striker they want & that will be great for England. Does it? Bar Foden they don't really play them until it's come to an injury crisis where they're missing 13 players. Yes, it does.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 25, 2020 9:35:59 GMT
Does it? Bar Foden they don't really play them until it's come to an injury crisis where they're missing 13 players. Yes, it does. Bar Foden there's no one they've really bought through in the last 5 years? Garcia is getting more games but wants to go back to Barca and isn't playing as often as he'd like and that's it until this injury crisis they have.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Sept 25, 2020 9:59:28 GMT
Bar Foden there's no one they've really bought through in the last 5 years? Garcia is getting more games but wants to go back to Barca and isn't playing as often as he'd like and that's it until this injury crisis they have. Apologies, didn't realise when you asked me a question you already had your own answer.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 25, 2020 10:03:49 GMT
Bar Foden there's no one they've really bought through in the last 5 years? Garcia is getting more games but wants to go back to Barca and isn't playing as often as he'd like and that's it until this injury crisis they have. Apologies, didn't realise when you asked me a question you already had your own answer. Yeah because there isn't another one as you've just bloody well demonstrated! But I'm all ears.....
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 25, 2020 10:09:59 GMT
Bar Foden there's no one they've really bought through in the last 5 years? Garcia is getting more games but wants to go back to Barca and isn't playing as often as he'd like and that's it until this injury crisis they have. Sancho?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 25, 2020 10:16:00 GMT
Bar Foden there's no one they've really bought through in the last 5 years? Garcia is getting more games but wants to go back to Barca and isn't playing as often as he'd like and that's it until this injury crisis they have. Sancho? The player who they signed at about 14 and left at 17 to get first team football elsewhere because he didn't believe he'd get it at Man City? Just proves my point? Indeed you could say the same about Campbell.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 25, 2020 10:19:40 GMT
The player who they signed at about 14 and left at 17 to get first team football elsewhere because he didn't believe he'd get it at Man City? Just proves my point? Indeed you could say the same about Campbell. Yeah I got your drift after I posted it. They are producing players though, their problem is getting them into their own team as they have so bloody many. They snap up everything they can as do a lot of these premier league teams and its a problem.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Sept 25, 2020 10:59:50 GMT
Hopefully he'll shake the "can he take long throws" question sooner rather than later. By launching one from his own half right onto Laporte's head as the wrap up the league title by mid-March.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Sept 25, 2020 11:00:13 GMT
I vaguely remember his and another player's lad looked decent in the final game post-match kickabout. Admittedly they were mostly up against tiny babies. Bet TP was still screaming at them to get stuck in "Goarnnn Jon"
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 25, 2020 12:26:02 GMT
The player who they signed at about 14 and left at 17 to get first team football elsewhere because he didn't believe he'd get it at Man City? Just proves my point? Indeed you could say the same about Campbell. Yeah I got your drift after I posted it. They are producing players though, their problem is getting them into their own team as they have so bloody many. They snap up everything they can as do a lot of these premier league teams and its a problem. Yeah and that's why I don't think it's that conducive of an environment and why I don't think they're good at developing them. Their youth sides are excellent but they don't get a chance with the first team. The same happened at Chelsea. Lampard has changed that to some extent now but you have a myriad of fantastic young talent that just doesn't have the pathway for them. Injury has opened that path for Delap and it's now his chance to grab it with both hands but I think it's more down to luck than judgement on the side of the club. Not him, he clearly works bloody hard and is a fantastic prospect.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 25, 2020 13:04:28 GMT
Yeah I got your drift after I posted it. They are producing players though, their problem is getting them into their own team as they have so bloody many. They snap up everything they can as do a lot of these premier league teams and its a problem. Yeah and that's why I don't think it's that conducive of an environment and why I don't think they're good at developing them. Their youth sides are excellent but they don't get a chance with the first team. The same happened at Chelsea. Lampard has changed that to some extent now but you have a myriad of fantastic young talent that just doesn't have the pathway for them. Injury has opened that path for Delap and it's now his chance to grab it with both hands but I think it's more down to luck than judgement on the side of the club. Not him, he clearly works bloody hard and is a fantastic prospect. Yeah I watched him in that U18s final against Stoke back just before the lockdown shyte. He looked decent. Then again it wasn't hard given the hammering we received
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 25, 2020 13:39:25 GMT
Aguero injured. Gabby Jesus injured.
A couple of league starts for Delap?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 25, 2020 16:07:39 GMT
Yeah I got your drift after I posted it. They are producing players though, their problem is getting them into their own team as they have so bloody many. They snap up everything they can as do a lot of these premier league teams and its a problem. Yeah and that's why I don't think it's that conducive of an environment and why I don't think they're good at developing them. Their youth sides are excellent but they don't get a chance with the first team. The same happened at Chelsea. Lampard has changed that to some extent now but you have a myriad of fantastic young talent that just doesn't have the pathway for them. Injury has opened that path for Delap and it's now his chance to grab it with both hands but I think it's more down to luck than judgement on the side of the club. Not him, he clearly works bloody hard and is a fantastic prospect. Man city are a way behind the likes of liverpool, Everton and man city in terms of bringing academy kids into 1st team. They are barely 5 years into their current set up. Their intention is to bring through an increasing number of youngsters into the first team but they expect and demand the absolute best from a very young age. Time will tell how successful they'll be in their objectives as an academy. The only cast iron certainty is that your claim that Delap's move from derby was a bad move is a load of bollocks in reality. He's been training with the best players in the world from 16 years of age and is involved with the 1st team on a matchday at 17. If it was a bad move to make you can almost bet your life his dad would have advised him against making it.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 25, 2020 16:43:05 GMT
Yeah and that's why I don't think it's that conducive of an environment and why I don't think they're good at developing them. Their youth sides are excellent but they don't get a chance with the first team. The same happened at Chelsea. Lampard has changed that to some extent now but you have a myriad of fantastic young talent that just doesn't have the pathway for them. Injury has opened that path for Delap and it's now his chance to grab it with both hands but I think it's more down to luck than judgement on the side of the club. Not him, he clearly works bloody hard and is a fantastic prospect. Man city are a way behind the likes of liverpool, Everton and man city in terms of academy set ups. They are barely 5 years into their current set up. Their intention is to bring through an increasing number of youngsters into the first team but they expect and demand the absolute best from a very young age. Time will tell how successful they'll be in their objectives as an academy. The only cast iron certainty is that your claim that Delap's move from derby was a bad move is a load of bollocks in reality. He's been training with the best players in the world from 16 years of age and is involved with the 1st team on a matchday at 17. If it was a bad move to make you can almost bet your life his dad would have advised him against making it. Don’t buy any of that sorry Dave. They were bringing through players quite regularly until the Sheikh’s took over. They will need to bring them through at a higher level now of course but you still had Richards, Ireland, Johnson and SWP who were the flag bearers and all bloody good PL players. I think playing games is imo more important than training and that training could have come when he was 18. It’s just the better way of doing things. Although Jesus is injured now so his luck might be in!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 25, 2020 16:45:01 GMT
Yeah and that's why I don't think it's that conducive of an environment and why I don't think they're good at developing them. Their youth sides are excellent but they don't get a chance with the first team. The same happened at Chelsea. Lampard has changed that to some extent now but you have a myriad of fantastic young talent that just doesn't have the pathway for them. Injury has opened that path for Delap and it's now his chance to grab it with both hands but I think it's more down to luck than judgement on the side of the club. Not him, he clearly works bloody hard and is a fantastic prospect. Yeah I watched him in that U18s final against Stoke back just before the lockdown shyte. He looked decent. Then again it wasn't hard given the hammering we received Irrespective he’s one of the best players in the world at that age. That’s why I think he would/should have been playing in the Championship. Hopefully Guardiola trusts him in the PL now Jesus is injured.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 25, 2020 16:53:26 GMT
Man city are a way behind the likes of liverpool, Everton and man city in terms of academy set ups. They are barely 5 years into their current set up. Their intention is to bring through an increasing number of youngsters into the first team but they expect and demand the absolute best from a very young age. Time will tell how successful they'll be in their objectives as an academy. The only cast iron certainty is that your claim that Delap's move from derby was a bad move is a load of bollocks in reality. He's been training with the best players in the world from 16 years of age and is involved with the 1st team on a matchday at 17. If it was a bad move to make you can almost bet your life his dad would have advised him against making it. Don’t buy any of that sorry Dave. They were bringing through players quite regularly until the Sheikh’s took over. They will need to bring them through at a higher level now of course but you still had Richards, Ireland, Johnson and SWP who were the flag bearers and all bloody good PL players. I think playing games is imo more important than training and that training could have come when he was 18. It’s just the better way of doing things. Although Jesus is injured now so his luck might be in! Good premier league players isn't their objective. They demand the absolute best from all their age groups. Delap will play games, as he's proving and he'll get a damn good loan move should he need one at any point.
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Post by ethers26 on Sept 25, 2020 17:05:42 GMT
I've read the main jist of what's being said about this loan out vs keeping hold of a young player
And what I can say is
Phil Foden isn't the player he is today if he spent a full season away on loan at a Championship club.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Sept 25, 2020 17:48:07 GMT
Don’t buy any of that sorry Dave. They were bringing through players quite regularly until the Sheikh’s took over. They will need to bring them through at a higher level now of course but you still had Richards, Ireland, Johnson and SWP who were the flag bearers and all bloody good PL players. I think playing games is imo more important than training and that training could have come when he was 18. It’s just the better way of doing things. Although Jesus is injured now so his luck might be in! Good premier league players isn't their objective. They demand the absolute best from all their age groups. Delap will play games, as he's proving and he'll get a damn good loan move should he need one at any point. Agreed, as in the way they've managed Foden. Clubs must've been asking about him but they wanted to keep him in house and develop as they see fit.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 25, 2020 19:43:08 GMT
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Sept 25, 2020 20:56:55 GMT
Hope he gets a chance with Jesus and Aguero both out.
I expect they'll play Sterling centrally though.
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Post by Cast no shadow on Sept 26, 2020 8:59:05 GMT
Aguero injured. Gabby Jesus injured. A couple of league starts for Delap? Maybe come off the bench, sterling will prob play as a false 9.
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 26, 2020 9:14:17 GMT
Aguero injured. Gabby Jesus injured. A couple of league starts for Delap? Maybe come off the bench, sterling will prob play as a false 9. Would have thought that likely, he is still only 17 and looks like he will be a very good player but 17 year olds playing regular first team football at any level are rarer than rocking house shit unless they look like being world class (Rooney, Owen, Walcott*), these are just bonus games for him this season, second half of the season and next and if / where they loan him out will have a big impact on how quickly he progresses. * NB I said look like being world class and at 17 that was Walcott's trajectory he has been a good player and at times a very good player but never quite reached that, Arsenal was probably the wrong move at the wrong time.
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Post by nott1 on Sept 26, 2020 9:57:17 GMT
I wonder when he'll be good enough to get his dream move to TMP's?
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Post by bolders on Oct 3, 2020 8:39:00 GMT
I wonder when he'll be good enough to get his dream move to TMP's? Man City seem to have lost another good kid, Charlie McNeil, to Man Utd
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Oct 3, 2020 11:58:54 GMT
Good to know. Perhaps FIFA changed the 'qualify for Ireland by owning a Father Ted box set' rule. Stones and glass houses
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 2, 2020 19:24:56 GMT
Starting tonight on BT Sports in last season FA Youth Cup final against Chelsea.
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Post by wherty on Nov 2, 2020 20:15:53 GMT
I've read the main jist of what's being said about this loan out vs keeping hold of a young player And what I can say is Phil Foden isn't the player he is today if he spent a full season away on loan at a Championship club. Mason Mount, Jack Harrison, Tammy Abraham to name a few had a season in the championship and did ok from it.
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Post by ethers26 on Nov 2, 2020 20:33:30 GMT
I've read the main jist of what's being said about this loan out vs keeping hold of a young player And what I can say is Phil Foden isn't the player he is today if he spent a full season away on loan at a Championship club. Mason Mount, Jack Harrison, Tammy Abraham to name a few had a season in the championship and did ok from it. None are close to Foden though. He's developed more by playing every day with world class footballers than he would have playing for Derby County is my point
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 2, 2020 20:53:24 GMT
Mason Mount, Jack Harrison, Tammy Abraham to name a few had a season in the championship and did ok from it. None are close to Foden though. He's developed more by playing every day with world class footballers than he would have playing for Derby County is my point You can’t possibly know that. And since this thread was last up I think Delap has played 2 games even with all their injuries. Which is poor. He’s been ok tonight and set up a goal but he’s having a good battle with the Chelsea centre half.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 2, 2020 21:23:18 GMT
Won 3-2.
Tommy Doyle MOM
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