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Post by TheProletarian on Apr 27, 2019 23:20:30 GMT
I’m up for giving Nath more time but I don’t see 3 wins in 19 or so games the most credible record. I reckon he’ll get a few games next season to sort it out, I don’t think he’ll be sacked at the end of this season but he could be first down next season.
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Post by iglugluk on Apr 27, 2019 23:27:04 GMT
He certainly needs to start living up to his words.. that much is for sure
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 27, 2019 23:42:29 GMT
His performance as manager so far has added immense pressure to the start of next season. If he doesn’t start well it will be all over very quickly I suspect.
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Post by march4 on Apr 27, 2019 23:59:43 GMT
He won’t be sacked next season. We’ve spent too much doing this recently. Give him the time he needs and I truly believe he’ll go down in history with TP. Look at Luton, they’re playing the way they do because of him. With his own signings...god know what is possible. You were doing well until you said ‘with his own signings’. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 28, 2019 0:50:41 GMT
One difference with now and most of the last decade is our aims are clearly defined. It's obvious what we need to achieve. If, in November, it's clear we aren't approaching that aspiration then questions will arise.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2019 1:27:11 GMT
I can only imagine there's a sensible severence package so Coates isnt spunking £M's when we do fuck him off...
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 28, 2019 1:55:08 GMT
I’m up for giving Nath more time but I don’t see 3 wins in 19 or so games the most credible record. I reckon he’ll get a few games next season to sort it out, I don’t think he’ll be sacked at the end of this season but he could be first down next season. Not a chance, the noises coming out of the club when he signed was all about the long game and giving him time. |
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Post by Fred Merger on Apr 28, 2019 2:14:15 GMT
Like any manager he will be judged on results! He will have to hit the ground running next season or the tide will start to turn very quickly!
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Post by adi on Apr 28, 2019 2:40:25 GMT
He won’t be sacked next season. We’ve spent too much doing this recently. Give him the time he needs and I truly believe he’ll go down in history with TP. Look at Luton, they’re playing the way they do because of him. With his own signings...god know what is possible. I think those comments will unfortunately fall on deaf ears for some. It’s either instantly turn it around or get sacked and new manager, then repeat and repeat. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 28, 2019 2:48:36 GMT
Do some people seriously think he'll be sacked? I mean, seriously believe the Coates family is considering removing him?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2019 5:12:46 GMT
I'd have a guess that if it's still crap he will be gone towards the middle of third week in January.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2019 5:46:14 GMT
Man alive.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2019 6:01:32 GMT
He need the whole season
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Post by Gary Hackett on Apr 28, 2019 6:04:19 GMT
Do some people seriously think he'll be sacked? I mean, seriously believe the Coates family is considering removing him? Not at all, but it doesn't stop us debating at what point he SHOULD be sacked. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2019 7:37:16 GMT
I’m up for giving Nath more time but I don’t see 3 wins in 19 or so games the most credible record. I reckon he’ll get a few games next season to sort it out, I don’t think he’ll be sacked at the end of this season but he could be first down next season. Not a chance, the noises coming out of the club when he signed was all about the long game and giving him time. "The noise" he kept making was promotion is still possible. The fact that it hasn't been anywhere near raises questions about how realistic he is about setting, and fulfilling, targets. No doubt the board was taken in by his talking the talk, but if Stoke have won 3 games out of the first 23 next season, time will be very limited for the man. |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Apr 28, 2019 8:00:46 GMT
Of course we will keep him.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 28, 2019 8:07:30 GMT
What’s the alternative at this point, whether you ‘buy in’ or not?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2019 8:14:33 GMT
What’s the alternative at this point, whether you ‘buy in’ or not? Daniel Farke, but not his bad season.
Steve Bruce because of what he's (not) achieved at Sheffield Wednesday. We're ignoring his ability to collapse like a flan in a cupboard at every club he's been at.
Tony Pulis. We know there are a lot of fans that would have him back
Slavisa Jokanovic. He's turned everyone down but we can magic him here.
David Moyes. Turned us down but John Coates will just wave his magic wand and get him here.
Sam Allardyce. Doesn't want a job in the Championship but one flash of an Oatcake strapped to Denise's garter and he just melts.
The other option is one of them project appointments that takes time to come to fruition. Nah, done that....
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Post by stokierich on Apr 28, 2019 8:19:13 GMT
He'll be gone by Christmas if results/performance don't change and rightly so.
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 28, 2019 8:26:03 GMT
Jones is going nowhere and will turn us around into a good side IF those that run the club back him properly. I'm not just talking transfer funds, I mean working hard and taking some tough decisions to get rid of the sacks of shit that have got us into this position.
I've been saying it for years - the club do not work hard enough. They just thought PL status and throwing a few quid around was all that was needed. Breathtaking arrogance.
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Post by TheProletarian on Apr 28, 2019 9:39:52 GMT
Do some people seriously think he'll be sacked? I mean, seriously believe the Coates family is considering removing him? Not at all, but it doesn't stop us debating at what point he SHOULD be sacked. Exactly. People are far too irritable lately. |
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Post by TheProletarian on Apr 28, 2019 9:49:01 GMT
Jones is going nowhere and will turn us around into a good side IF those that run the club back him properly. I'm not just talking transfer funds, I mean working hard and taking some tough decisions to get rid of the sacks of shit that have got us into this position. I've been saying it for years - the club do not work hard enough. They just thought PL status and throwing a few quid around was all that was needed. Breathtaking arrogance. and they seem to have this mentality at the top of the club that as long as they throw around that few quid then they can get away with murder. The saddest thing is it’s almost true, given that Tony Scholes and Mark Cartwright are still making a living... |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 28, 2019 9:56:48 GMT
What’s the alternative at this point, whether you ‘buy in’ or not? Daniel Farke, but not his bad season. Steve Bruce because of what he's (not) achieved at Sheffield Wednesday. We're ignoring his ability to collapse like a flan in a cupboard at every club he's been at. Tony Pulis. We know there are a lot of fans that would have him back Slavisa Jokanovic. He's turned everyone down but we can magic him here. David Moyes. Turned us down but John Coates will just wave his magic wand and get him here. Sam Allardyce. Doesn't want a job in the Championship but one flash of an Oatcake strapped to Denise's garter and he just melts. The other option is one of them project appointments that takes time to come to fruition. Nah, done that....
We're not quite there yet but it was this kind of thinking that kept Hughes is situ for 6 maybe 12 months too long. Eventually you reach the point that you have to leap in the dark. If we don't improve significantly next season and we are labouring in 16thish come Christmas then whatever the mitigation it will be colossal failure and he will pay with his job. That is football, always has been, always will be. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 28, 2019 9:58:20 GMT
Not a chance, the noises coming out of the club when he signed was all about the long game and giving him time. "The noise" he kept making was promotion is still possible. The fact that it hasn't been anywhere near raises questions about how realistic he is about setting, and fulfilling, targets. No doubt the board was taken in by his talking the talk, but if Stoke have won 3 games out of the first 23 next season, time will be very limited for the man. Well yeh, if that was the record of course it would as it shows no improvement, but if its 8 to 10 wins it wouldn't. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 28, 2019 10:00:04 GMT
Daniel Farke, but not his bad season. Steve Bruce because of what he's (not) achieved at Sheffield Wednesday. We're ignoring his ability to collapse like a flan in a cupboard at every club he's been at. Tony Pulis. We know there are a lot of fans that would have him back Slavisa Jokanovic. He's turned everyone down but we can magic him here. David Moyes. Turned us down but John Coates will just wave his magic wand and get him here. Sam Allardyce. Doesn't want a job in the Championship but one flash of an Oatcake strapped to Denise's garter and he just melts. The other option is one of them project appointments that takes time to come to fruition. Nah, done that....
We're not quite there yet but it was this kind of thinking that kept Hughes is situ for 6 maybe 12 months too long. Eventually you reach the point that you have to leap in the dark. If we don't improve significantly next season and we are labouring in 16thish come Christmas then whatever the mitigation it will be colossal failure and he will pay with his job. That is football, always has been, always will be. It was 100% clear with Hughes that he should've gone ages ago though. And he himself was the major architect of the decline. Jones isn't in anything like that situation. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 28, 2019 10:04:15 GMT
Daniel Farke, but not his bad season. Steve Bruce because of what he's (not) achieved at Sheffield Wednesday. We're ignoring his ability to collapse like a flan in a cupboard at every club he's been at. Tony Pulis. We know there are a lot of fans that would have him back Slavisa Jokanovic. He's turned everyone down but we can magic him here. David Moyes. Turned us down but John Coates will just wave his magic wand and get him here. Sam Allardyce. Doesn't want a job in the Championship but one flash of an Oatcake strapped to Denise's garter and he just melts. The other option is one of them project appointments that takes time to come to fruition. Nah, done that....
We're not quite there yet but it was this kind of thinking that kept Hughes is situ for 6 maybe 12 months too long. Eventually you reach the point that you have to leap in the dark. If we don't improve significantly next season and we are labouring in 16thish come Christmas then whatever the mitigation it will be colossal failure and he will pay with his job. That is football, always has been, always will be. I agree with that, and also Pugsley's earlier comment about complacency in the club as a whole. If we don't look like serious contenders for promotion by Christmas, equally serious questions must be asked, and not just of Jones. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 28, 2019 10:08:45 GMT
We're not quite there yet but it was this kind of thinking that kept Hughes is situ for 6 maybe 12 months too long. Eventually you reach the point that you have to leap in the dark. If we don't improve significantly next season and we are labouring in 16thish come Christmas then whatever the mitigation it will be colossal failure and he will pay with his job. That is football, always has been, always will be. It was 100% clear with Hughes that he should've gone ages ago though. And he himself was the major architect of the decline. Jones isn't in anything like that situation. The point being Rob that it was the 'who else' mentality that kept Hughes here way too long. We're not there yet but without significant improvement we may only be 6 months away. |
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Post by ruts66 on Apr 28, 2019 10:11:31 GMT
I'd suggest that even if we're still mid-table at Xmas then he won't be sacked because he'll have re-staffed the team to his own set of ingredients in the summer.
I think he'll go only if we're in obvious danger of relegation.
In my opinion, we haven't seen enough 'Norwich second half' performances to evidence NJ's wider abilities so I sure hope his incomings can live up to his promises...
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Post by xchpotter on Apr 28, 2019 10:18:43 GMT
Unless it’s a complete disaster, i.e. fighting relegation, he will get at least another 18 months. The shit players and losing mentality needs at least three or four windows to cut out. If during the 18 months there are tangible moves to improvement through league places or better football, then he will get more time. In my own head when we got relegated, it was at the very least three years in the Championship....anyone who thought or thinks we could get out sooner are somewhat over optimistic.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 28, 2019 10:21:34 GMT
One difference with now and most of the last decade is our aims are clearly defined. It's obvious what we need to achieve. If, in November, it's clear we aren't approaching that aspiration then questions will arise. He’s going nowhere and rightly so , we’ve made our policy decision and there is no going back now whether we agreed with it at the time or not . |
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