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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 16, 2019 6:26:41 GMT
Tempo and energy seem to be important to all three teams and Luton have scored a shit-tonne of goals. In 2 leagues which are miles away from championship standard. So are we saying no team, player or manager from League One can ever make the step up?
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Post by cousindupree on Apr 16, 2019 7:38:42 GMT
In 2 leagues which are miles away from championship standard. So are we saying no team, player or manager from League One can ever make the step up? There is certainly evidence that Div 1 managers can make the step up to the championship ok. However if your ambition is promotion to the Premier League then recent history suggest only Eddie Howe has come from Div 1 to manage in the Premier League. Most of the promoted teams in recent years have been managed by experienced managers or foreign. I might be wrong feel free to correct me. Maybe Chris Wilder, Lee Johnson or Dean Smith might buck the trend this season but boy they have been around for a while and it's taken all of them a good few years of experience to get anywhere near the Prem. I am not convinced Nathan Jones is the next Eddie Howe. However if he succeeds in getting promotion in the next couple of years it will be an almost unparalleled rapid rise for a manager.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 16, 2019 7:48:13 GMT
So are we saying no team, player or manager from League One can ever make the step up? There is certainly evidence that Div 1 managers can make the step up to the championship ok. However if your ambition is promotion to the Premier League then recent history suggest only Eddie Howe has come from Div 1 to manage in the Premier League. Most of the promoted teams in recent years have been managed by experienced managers or foreign. I might be wrong feel free to correct me. Maybe Chris Wilder, Lee Johnson or Dean Smith might buck the trend this season but boy they have been around for a while and it's taken all of them a good few years of experience to get anywhere near the Prem. I am not convinced Nathan Jones is the next Eddie Howe. However if he succeeds in getting promotion in the next couple of years it will be an almost unparalleled rapid rise for a manager. It might well take him 'a good few years of experience'. That might be exactly what we need.
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Post by questionable on Apr 16, 2019 7:49:31 GMT
Given his record so far there’s not a hope in hell he’ll succeed here, poor team selection, even poorer substitutes and the list goes on and on.
There’s not an argument to be had that he’s an upgrade on Rowett, yet again the fans fell for his spin.
Utterly and completely out of his depth
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Post by cousindupree on Apr 16, 2019 8:03:08 GMT
There is certainly evidence that Div 1 managers can make the step up to the championship ok. However if your ambition is promotion to the Premier League then recent history suggest only Eddie Howe has come from Div 1 to manage in the Premier League. Most of the promoted teams in recent years have been managed by experienced managers or foreign. I might be wrong feel free to correct me. Maybe Chris Wilder, Lee Johnson or Dean Smith might buck the trend this season but boy they have been around for a while and it's taken all of them a good few years of experience to get anywhere near the Prem. I am not convinced Nathan Jones is the next Eddie Howe. However if he succeeds in getting promotion in the next couple of years it will be an almost unparalleled rapid rise for a manager. It might well take him 'a good few years of experience'. That might be exactly what we need. I think it will. I don't see a quick return with the current state of the club, poor recruitment and an inexperienced manager. And of course there is every chance the 'self sufficiency model' will be back on the agenda when the parachute payments cease hence the appointment of a manager who knows the lower leagues. I am not that fussed about a quick return but if it was me running the club I would have looked abroad for a manager particularly Germany or Austria
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Post by robboleek on Apr 16, 2019 8:15:21 GMT
With the world and his wife thinking NJ is going to manage what a lot of our managers before him have not namely to ‘shift the shit’ where exactly do people think he will send it ? Do people honestly think these players will find other clubs then agree to take a massive hit on wages and that is even if Stoke allow them to leave for free practically. I find it staggering that people don’t realise these players will be more than happy to see their contracts out with us rotting in the reserves / U23s / training on their own rather than take a massive hit on wages. They know these contracts will pretty much set them up for life. Can’t wait for this ‘clear out’ as we are simply not a club who can carry the shit AND sign sign new players. Unless Coates et al decide to go shit or bust which I really doubt. You say a lot but really its just Rowett, if the club is serious about getting rid its going to be a case of taking a hit on the transfer fee to save on wages, an every one must go sale with maybe only a sell on % and zero transfer fee, its the only way it'll work but its not really up to Jones he'll just be the one saying who he wants gone, after that its down to the rest of them. What is just Rowett ?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 16, 2019 8:45:07 GMT
You say a lot but really its just Rowett, if the club is serious about getting rid its going to be a case of taking a hit on the transfer fee to save on wages, an every one must go sale with maybe only a sell on % and zero transfer fee, its the only way it'll work but its not really up to Jones he'll just be the one saying who he wants gone, after that its down to the rest of them. What is just Rowett ? A lot of managers unable to shift the dead wood.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 9:10:02 GMT
It might well take him 'a good few years of experience'. That might be exactly what we need. I think it will. I don't see a quick return with the current state of the club, poor recruitment and an inexperienced manager. And of course there is every chance the 'self sufficiency model' will be back on the agenda when the parachute payments cease hence the appointment of a manager who knows the lower leagues. I am not that fussed about a quick return but if it was me running the club I would have looked abroad for a manager particularly Germany or Austria There's evidence to suggest we're done with any overseas recruitment. We haven't had a non-British manager since Boskamp, and the last 8 players we've signed were all British. Apart from Etebo, whose time here is probably not long, we still have a few foreigners on our books, some of them in the academy, but the seniors are probably on the way out too. I too would have looked for a foreign manager/coach/director of football combo to shake things up completely, but it's not how this board works.
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Post by cousindupree on Apr 16, 2019 9:36:49 GMT
I think it will. I don't see a quick return with the current state of the club, poor recruitment and an inexperienced manager. And of course there is every chance the 'self sufficiency model' will be back on the agenda when the parachute payments cease hence the appointment of a manager who knows the lower leagues. I am not that fussed about a quick return but if it was me running the club I would have looked abroad for a manager particularly Germany or Austria There's evidence to suggest we're done with any overseas recruitment. We haven't had a non-British manager since Boskamp, and the last 8 players we've signed were all British. Apart from Etebo, whose time here is probably not long, we still have a few foreigners on our books, some of them in the academy, but the seniors are probably on the way out too. I too would have looked for a foreign manager/coach/director of football combo to shake things up completely, but it's not how this board works. I agree with you. I am still baffled why the board have an issue with foreign managers when many champs teams have been promoted by foreign managers and Norwich are the latest. Its fair to say our overseas recruitment has been dire but that is more to do with our poor recruitment than a bad strategy to recruit from abroad.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 10:07:49 GMT
There's evidence to suggest we're done with any overseas recruitment. We haven't had a non-British manager since Boskamp, and the last 8 players we've signed were all British. Apart from Etebo, whose time here is probably not long, we still have a few foreigners on our books, some of them in the academy, but the seniors are probably on the way out too. I too would have looked for a foreign manager/coach/director of football combo to shake things up completely, but it's not how this board works. I agree with you. I am still baffled why the board have an issue with foreign managers when many champs teams have been promoted by foreign managers and Norwich are the latest. Its fair to say our overseas recruitment has been dire but that is more to do with our poor recruitment than a bad strategy to recruit from abroad. I don't think they have an issue with foreigners as such; they just would like to be seen as preferring the good old British way, and someone's got to do that, otherwise there would be few options left when the next England manager is needed (there were few before Southgate was appointed, but obviously it's worked out well), because most PL clubs look to foreigners and as you say many champ clubs do too. I wouldn't say our overseas recruitment has been entirely dire, after all Mark Hughes' personal contacts brought us Muniesa, Bojan, Arnie, and Shaqiri. But once that well was exhausted we haven't been able to find any one as good.
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Post by robboleek on Apr 16, 2019 10:25:44 GMT
A lot of managers unable to shift the dead wood. Can’t agree there both Pulis and Hughes had shit to shift (most cases their own making) which they didn’t but it is what it is. How Michael Tonge ended up staying for 5 years after his initial 3 year deal has scientists baffled 😂
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 17, 2019 12:18:48 GMT
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Post by werrington on Apr 17, 2019 12:21:37 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2019 12:31:43 GMT
I think it's starting to become very obvious that Bruno doesn't want to be here and hasn't since we were relegated.
Fair play to the bloke, he admitted as such that he was sulking about it and you do wonder just what is going on with our squad in the background.
I might be a million miles away, but I think a lot of people would be shocked if they knew the truth (I don't, I'm just guessing...), and I reckon that truth is a fair percentage of our squad that were relegated are just going through the motions somewhat.
Performances would certainly explain that.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 17, 2019 12:47:54 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/live-nathan-jones-stoke-middlesbrough-2768449Can you win Stoke fans' hearts before August?NJ: It’s next season we have to concentrate on. I don’t see there being a huge difference in terms of results from the previous manager or before and there has to be a common denominator. You can keep changing or managers or you can solve it. Work started in January and we want to hit the ground running in August. To those who are now a little bit negative or pessimistic, just wait and see. Those who buy into it early will be proud of their part in it.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Apr 17, 2019 17:15:44 GMT
This is what worries me , I cant stand watching this group , the ones that came in the summer are even worse than those here before other than Etebo , in terms of players I'd keep next season Jack ( will probably leave ) Edward's ( but not as first choice) Baath Ryan ( not always first Choice ) Allen ( might leave ) Etebo ( Might leave ) Vokes
Add a few unproven youngsters Campbell Souttar , Verlinden , Collins all look as though they might do a job but probably not top championship level .
The rest can all do one for me and I cant see half of them getting a buyer
Add the bloody horrible atmosphere we have now and it all feels a bit bleak.
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