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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 3, 2019 8:16:09 GMT
..................Butland................. Bauer.....Shawcross......Batth.......Indi ..............Allen.....Etebo............ Ince................................Clucas ..............Vokes....Afobe..............
Despite of Edwards having an OK game against Forest I'd go for Bauer because I remember how Edwards was torn to pieces by QPR's winger at the bet365. I guess Vokes didn't play due to fitness, but he should certainly replace Bojan who was our only player with zero contribution against Forest. I don't like to play Indi at left back either, but thought he played well yesterday. I also thought Ryan played so well that he deserves another chance.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2019 9:00:25 GMT
I’d like to see BMI back at CB alongside Batth, Shawcross played well but we should be thinking about our CB pairing for the future and I like the look of BMI and Batth. BMI isn’t a LB despite doing well yesterday.
Afobe deserves to keep his place, Bojan needs more games if he is going to find his form and given the run of games Ince has before finding his feet again I think Bojan deserves more of a chance.
I wouldn’t be against the same lineup again but it’s a bit square pegs round holes in places, Vokes will surely return if fit.
One good performance from the likes of Shawcross and Afobe (and Ince for the past few months) doesn’t make up for how shite they’ve been for most of the season, in no way do I think they are the answers to our problems.
I’m not buying into any of this “turned a corner” bullshit, the reality is it’s one win in the last 10 games, a big clearout is needed this simmer.
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Post by Veritas on Mar 3, 2019 18:36:45 GMT
Still think I'd keep the same starting XI. I'm not in the turned a corner brigade but the second half performance was the best we have seen for ages and deserves to be rewarded including Bojan who while not having a great influence on the game should be given the next 3 or 4 games.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Mar 3, 2019 18:37:21 GMT
Butland Edwards. Shawcross DB Bruno
Adam
Allen. Clucas / Etebo ( if fit )/
Ince
Afoebe. Volkes
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Post by sufolkstokie on Mar 3, 2019 18:43:08 GMT
We are safe - what a statement given how far we have fallen
It is no longer about winning a game but developing the team for next season
As much as I like players like Adam and Shawcross it does not move is forward
Any loan layer should not feature
It has to be about next season from now on in because this season is a car crash
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2019 18:43:37 GMT
Butland
Batth, Shawcross, BMI Edwards, Allen, Etebo, Bauer Adam Bojan, Vokes
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Post by lordb on Mar 3, 2019 18:43:49 GMT
We are safe - what a statement given how far we have fallen It is no longer about winning a game but developing the team for next season As much as I like players like Adam and Shawcross it does not move is forward Any loan layer should not feature It has to be about next season from now on in because this season is a car crash We only have one loan player
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Post by sufolkstokie on Mar 3, 2019 18:46:11 GMT
We are safe - what a statement given how far we have fallen It is no longer about winning a game but developing the team for next season As much as I like players like Adam and Shawcross it does not move is forward Any loan layer should not feature It has to be about next season from now on in because this season is a car crash We only have one loan player Easier to spot then
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 3, 2019 18:47:43 GMT
From the look of Etebo going off I think we’ll be without him so I’d go with
.......................Butland...................... Edwards......Batth......Ryan........Indi ...........:Allen.....Adam....Clucas....... ..........................Ince........................ ...............Afobe..........Vokes.............
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 3, 2019 18:54:55 GMT
Etebo sounded quite positive that he should be okay.
Think I'd go with the same again. It looked nice and solid - but maybe stick McClean in for Bojan. No point playing Bojan out wide.
Butland
Edwards Shawcross Batth Indi
Etebo Allen Clucas
Ince Afobe McClean
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2019 19:00:09 GMT
To be honest I wouldn't change the team, just move people around
Butland
Edwards Shawcross Batth BMI
Allen Etebo
Ince Bojan Clucas
Afobe
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 3, 2019 19:01:40 GMT
If Vokes and Etebo are fit the only change will be Vokes for Bojan
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2019 21:32:50 GMT
We are safe - what a statement given how far we have fallen It's a premature statement. Because in addition to us, Rotherham and Reading also won, so we're still a target for those kind of clubs, and if we do a "Leeds", i.e. after a great win, or any kind of win, lose the next few matches, they can still overtake us.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 3, 2019 21:53:02 GMT
We have some insane supporters.
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Post by Davef on Mar 3, 2019 22:00:00 GMT
We are safe - what a statement given how far we have fallen It's a premature statement. Because in addition to us, Rotherham and Reading also won, so we're still a target for those kind of clubs, and if we do a "Leeds", i.e. after a great win, or any kind of win, lose the next few matches, they can still overtake us. To get relegated from here we'd probably have to lose all our matches.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 3, 2019 23:47:21 GMT
I'd keep it the same tbh, Bojan wasn't great but we may as well give him a run of games to see if he can come up with anything, saying that I wouldn't blame Jones if he replaced him with McClean given how much better we looked once he went off.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2019 0:09:41 GMT
We put in one of our best performances, and definitely our most front footed performance of the season, but hey let’s change the team for no reason whatsoever...and let’s change the formation whilst we’re at it as well!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2019 8:02:38 GMT
It's a premature statement. Because in addition to us, Rotherham and Reading also won, so we're still a target for those kind of clubs, and if we do a "Leeds", i.e. after a great win, or any kind of win, lose the next few matches, they can still overtake us. To get relegated from here we'd probably have to lose all our matches. Not necessarily, the club that's 22nd has 33 points, we have 44. So they just have to get 12 pts more than us, the clubs in places 21-17 the same or less. Not very likely, but not mathematically impossible. But you're right in suggesting that's not beyond our reach to lose all or nearly all our matches, especially if the players are like a number of fans here, who are more concerned how far away we still are from a play off spot, and it's about the same, 11 in fact, unless we suddenly improve our currently negative GD, then it's 10. Again not very likely. If we was to only pick up draws in our next five games (following the pattern before the Forest game), and the teams in 16-21 was to win a majority of their games, then the end of the season could get exciting for all the wrong reasons. Obviously I hope not.
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Post by thebet365 on Mar 4, 2019 8:11:37 GMT
To get relegated from here we'd probably have to lose all our matches. Not necessarily, the club that's 22nd has 33 points, we have 44. So they just have to get 12 pts more than us, the clubs in places 21-17 the same or less. Not very likely, but not mathematically impossible. But you're right in suggesting that's not beyond our reach to lose all or nearly all our matches, especially if the players are like a number of fans here, who are more concerned how far away we still are from a play off spot, and it's about the same, 11 in fact, unless we suddenly improve our currently negative GD, then it's 10. Again not very likely. If we was to only pick up draws in our next five games (following the pattern before the Forest game), and the teams in 16-21 was to win a majority of their games, then the end of the season could get exciting for all the wrong reasons. Obviously I hope not. What a load of nonsense. Teams that hardly win games don't suddenly win loads and teams that don't lose a lot don't suddenly lose loads. You get the odd exception to the rule every once in a while but generally season after season teams finish roughly where they've been most of the season.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Mar 4, 2019 8:28:12 GMT
..................Butland................. Bauer.....Shawcross......Batth.......Indi ..............Allen.....Etebo............ Ince................................Clucas ..............Vokes....Afobe.............. Despite of Edwards having an OK game against Forest I'd go for Bauer because I remember how Edwards was torn to pieces by QPR's winger at the bet365. I guess Vokes didn't play due to fitness, but he should certainly replace Bojan who was our only player with zero contribution against Forest. I don't like to play Indi at left back either, but thought he played well yesterday. I also thought Ryan played so well that he deserves another chance. How will Bauer playing improve us defensively? he's more suspect than Edwards face it, Edwards is in the team to stay now and he deserves to be.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2019 8:35:55 GMT
Not necessarily, the club that's 22nd has 33 points, we have 44. So they just have to get 12 pts more than us, the clubs in places 21-17 the same or less. Not very likely, but not mathematically impossible. But you're right in suggesting that's not beyond our reach to lose all or nearly all our matches, especially if the players are like a number of fans here, who are more concerned how far away we still are from a play off spot, and it's about the same, 11 in fact, unless we suddenly improve our currently negative GD, then it's 10. Again not very likely. If we was to only pick up draws in our next five games (following the pattern before the Forest game), and the teams in 16-21 was to win a majority of their games, then the end of the season could get exciting for all the wrong reasons. Obviously I hope not. What a load of nonsense. Teams that hardly win games don't suddenly win loads and teams that don't lose a lot don't suddenly lose loads. You get the odd exception to the rule every once in a while but generally season after season teams finish roughly where they've been most of the season. You don't know much about the relegation dogfights, do you? You can just look at how Reading have started winning some games now. The thing is our players also don't know much about relegation dogfighting, as they proved last season, believing they were far too good to go down, even as they did go down, and on into the current season, where they still believe they are far too good to be playing where they are. So when players such as ours that don't have a spine in their bodies, their team can crash in the final stages of a season.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2019 8:36:48 GMT
If Vokes and Etebo are fit the only change will be Vokes for Bojan How does this work in a 4-3-3 though. Surely that won't work with Afobe and Vokes and we'd have to change formation just when one worked?
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 4, 2019 8:43:16 GMT
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Post by Davef on Mar 4, 2019 8:45:37 GMT
What a load of nonsense. Teams that hardly win games don't suddenly win loads and teams that don't lose a lot don't suddenly lose loads. You get the odd exception to the rule every once in a while but generally season after season teams finish roughly where they've been most of the season. You don't know much about the relegation dogfights, do you? You can just look at how Reading have started winning some games now. The thing is our players also don't know much about relegation dogfighting, as they proved last season, believing they were far too good to go down, even as they did go down, and on into the current season, where they still believe they are far too good to be playing where they are. So when players such as ours that don't have a spine in their bodies, their team can crash in the final stages of a season. We're not in a relegation dog fight though are we? As I've already pointed out we would probably have to lose all of our remaining eleven matches to be relegated now. We only lost five of our last eleven last season and the worst run the relegated team of 97/98 went on was five straight defeats.
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Post by colinroberts1 on Mar 4, 2019 8:57:41 GMT
Don't we still have to play Rotherham and Reading at home? Unfortunately for some we'll finish mid table
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Post by thebet365 on Mar 4, 2019 9:35:03 GMT
What a load of nonsense. Teams that hardly win games don't suddenly win loads and teams that don't lose a lot don't suddenly lose loads. You get the odd exception to the rule every once in a while but generally season after season teams finish roughly where they've been most of the season. You don't know much about the relegation dogfights, do you? You can just look at how Reading have started winning some games now. The thing is our players also don't know much about relegation dogfighting, as they proved last season, believing they were far too good to go down, even as they did go down, and on into the current season, where they still believe they are far too good to be playing where they are. So when players such as ours that don't have a spine in their bodies, their team can crash in the final stages of a season. I know plenty about relegation dogfights, I follow all the divisions promotion/relegation battles every season. Forget Reading concentrate on Rotherham. A team that hasn't had back to back wins in the league all season, hasn't notched a single win away from home and now has more away games left than home. They're unbeaten in 6 games yet still sit in the relegation zone. They won't gather 11 more points than us in the run up even though they desperatly need the points and we've effectively finished our season. Last season has got no bearing on this season, only 4 players in that starting 11 on Saturday where part of last years relegated team, and 1 of those started only his 1st game in ages.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2019 9:39:54 GMT
You don't know much about the relegation dogfights, do you? You can just look at how Reading have started winning some games now. The thing is our players also don't know much about relegation dogfighting, as they proved last season, believing they were far too good to go down, even as they did go down, and on into the current season, where they still believe they are far too good to be playing where they are. So when players such as ours that don't have a spine in their bodies, their team can crash in the final stages of a season. We're not in a relegation dog fight though are we? As I've already pointed out we would probably have to lose all of our remaining eleven matches to be relegated now. We only lost five of our last eleven last season and the worst run the relegated team of 97/98 went on was five straight defeats. Since you're adding nothing to what you've already said, I won't bother repeating myself except to say: nothing is written in stone!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2019 9:47:36 GMT
Rotherham. A team that hasn't had back to back wins in the league all season, hasn't notched a single win away from home In other words a team not all too different from scfc! Although we did somehow manage to scrape an away win vs Norwich. We even have the same amount of wins in our last five games...
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Post by stokesupporter on Mar 4, 2019 10:33:45 GMT
Bojan. And 10 other players.
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Post by Davef on Mar 4, 2019 11:00:21 GMT
We're not in a relegation dog fight though are we? As I've already pointed out we would probably have to lose all of our remaining eleven matches to be relegated now. We only lost five of our last eleven last season and the worst run the relegated team of 97/98 went on was five straight defeats. Since you're adding nothing to what you've already said, I won't bother repeating myself except to say: nothing is written in stone! This Stoke City team not losing their next eleven matches on the trot is set in stone. You're being ridiculous.
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