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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 8, 2019 8:36:53 GMT
BMI at full back is an accident waiting to happen although he played reasonably well last week. Clucas needs to help out and he can do that effectively. I'm more worried about the other fullback to be honest, but I agree Indi is not the future solution at left back at all.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Mar 8, 2019 9:14:59 GMT
No more pathetic than the constant carping about Bojan needing games - when exactly did Stoke City Football Club become the Bojan Rehabilitation Society? It's up to Bojan to prove he's worthy of a place in the starting 11 - it's not up to the other 10 players to get Bojan first team ready. The fact is Bojan has wasted his career. I feel as sorry as anyone about his injury but before and after the injury he struggled to establish himself in a first 11 - under several manager's at several clubs. Technically he's one of the best footballers I've seen in a Stoke shirt but he simply hasn't got what it takes to make it as a first team regular in any league with a physical edge. He's lightweight, easily knocked off the ball and when the going gets tough goes into hiding leaving his teammates to cover the gap on the pitch. I'd love it if he came good but every indication is to the contrary. Best for everyone if he goes somewhere like the US and wows everyone in a low contact version of the sport. Your comments about being lightweight, easily knocked off the ball and going missing apply totally to Tom Ince. I take it you want him dropping too? After all you need to be consistent. Hoof I understand you’re point. From a personal perspective I’m not a lover of either, especially Ince. Having said that last Saturday (IMHO) the team carried both of them until (1) the substitution and (2) Forest giving Ince the freedom of the pitch for the last 20 minutes.
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Post by toppercorner on Mar 8, 2019 10:58:35 GMT
Assuming both Vokes and Etebo are out
----------- Butland ----------- Edwards Shawcross Baath BMI ----------- Charlie ---------- --- Allen --------- McClean --- ----------- Bojan ------------- ----- Afobe----- Diouf -------
Subs: Federici Williams Bauer Clucas Woods Ince Sorenson
Clucas on the bench, in case either McClean or BMI come unstuck and he can cover both. Ince, again to cover either Bojan, or if desperate, a forward.
Can't wait for this. Love QPR away.
QPR 0 - 3 Stoke
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Post by xchpotter on Mar 8, 2019 11:11:52 GMT
Apart from always liking QPR’s strip, there’s often been a bit of niggle with them around gamesmanship and especially that Marc Bircham twat with his hair.
Remember his theatrics in getting Taggart sent off?
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Post by jimmygscfc on Mar 8, 2019 11:31:03 GMT
Assuming both Vokes and Etebo are out ----------- Butland ----------- Edwards Shawcross Baath BMI ----------- Charlie ---------- --- Allen --------- McClean --- ----------- Bojan ------------- ----- Afobe----- Diouf ------- Subs: Federici Williams Bauer Clucas Woods Ince Sorenson Clucas on the bench, in case either McClean or BMI come unstuck and he can cover both. Ince, again to cover either Bojan, or if desperate, a forward. Can't wait for this. Love QPR away. QPR 0 - 3 Stoke That midfield is never going to happen.
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Post by toppercorner on Mar 8, 2019 11:37:39 GMT
Assuming both Vokes and Etebo are out ----------- Butland ----------- Edwards Shawcross Baath BMI ----------- Charlie ---------- --- Allen --------- McClean --- ----------- Bojan ------------- ----- Afobe----- Diouf ------- Subs: Federici Williams Bauer Clucas Woods Ince Sorenson Clucas on the bench, in case either McClean or BMI come unstuck and he can cover both. Ince, again to cover either Bojan, or if desperate, a forward. Can't wait for this. Love QPR away. QPR 0 - 3 Stoke That midfield is never going to happen. out of interest, why do you think not?
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Post by jimmygscfc on Mar 8, 2019 12:19:42 GMT
That midfield is never going to happen. out of interest, why do you think not? You've effectively got two midfielders, one of whom is Charlie. Good luck with that. You're playing Diouf, Bojan and McClean and I can't see Jones going down that road. I'm certain we'll play three midfielders and can see Clucas getting the nod over Woods myself. If Vokes is fit he'll play with Afobe and Ince....in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 13:51:09 GMT
It depends how you define "pretty much impossible". Denise thinks there is one chance in 500 we will go down. So she thinks it is possible. But I would say she also thinks it is pretty much impossible. I agree with her. She is often right. For example, she has earned approximately £2.1m since this thread started 72 hours ago. There's a much bigger risk than 1/500. How much that is in odds. I don't know. I'm not a betting man, and I have no idea how that sort of thing is worked out. What I do know is that if we continue in the same vein as after our previous win, i.e. three defeats and three draws, then relegation could become a very real possibility. That doesn't mean it's likely. All it means is that it is premature to celebrate having escaped the ghost of relegation. If we do repeat ourselves, and we have all season, and the one before, and the one before that, and a lot of other times since 1863, we'll have 47 pts after 41 games. We might still escape, not because we're too good to go down, we're not, but because other clubs are not good enough to stay up. Now as for the chance that we'll get relegated, which you (and several others) refer to, that's a concept which I refuse to contemplate!
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 8, 2019 15:14:41 GMT
It depends how you define "pretty much impossible". Denise thinks there is one chance in 500 we will go down. So she thinks it is possible. But I would say she also thinks it is pretty much impossible. I agree with her. She is often right. For example, she has earned approximately £2.1m since this thread started 72 hours ago. There's a much bigger risk than 1/500. How much that is in odds. I don't know. I'm not a betting man, and I have no idea how that sort of thing is worked out. What I do know is that if we continue in the same vein as after our previous win, i.e. three defeats and three draws, then relegation could become a very real possibility. That doesn't mean it's likely. All it means is that it is premature to celebrate having escaped the ghost of relegation. If we do repeat ourselves, and we have all season, and the one before, and the one before that, and a lot of other times since 1863, we'll have 47 pts after 41 games. We might still escape, not because we're too good to go down, we're not, but because other clubs are not good enough to stay up. Now as for the chance that we'll get relegated, which you (and several others) refer to, that's a concept which I refuse to contemplate! To a large extent betting odds reflect the market not the odds of something actually happening. For example if every Stoke fan were to bet on Stoke going down the odds would tumble despite the fact that it would have no actual effect on the teams performance and points tally. It's unlikely but we could very definitely still go down and i'd rate the actual odds way lower than 500/1. The encouraging thing is that we are starting to gel and if anything we've deserved a better points haul then we've got over recent games. If we keep the recent momentum going we should be ok.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 16:57:00 GMT
There's a much bigger risk than 1/500. How much that is in odds. I don't know. I'm not a betting man, and I have no idea how that sort of thing is worked out. What I do know is that if we continue in the same vein as after our previous win, i.e. three defeats and three draws, then relegation could become a very real possibility. That doesn't mean it's likely. All it means is that it is premature to celebrate having escaped the ghost of relegation. If we do repeat ourselves, and we have all season, and the one before, and the one before that, and a lot of other times since 1863, we'll have 47 pts after 41 games. We might still escape, not because we're too good to go down, we're not, but because other clubs are not good enough to stay up. Now as for the chance that we'll get relegated, which you (and several others) refer to, that's a concept which I refuse to contemplate! To a large extent betting odds reflect the market not the odds of something actually happening. For example if every Stoke fan were to bet on Stoke going down the odds would tumble despite the fact that it would have no actual effect on the teams performance and points tally. It's unlikely but we could very definitely still go down and i'd rate the actual odds way lower than 500/1. The encouraging thing is that we are starting to gel and if anything we've deserved a better points haul then we've got over recent games. If we keep the recent momentum going we should be ok. I agree it's unlikely. That's what I've said all along. But the real test of what we are now and the direction we are heading next season is whether the momentum is real or whether we are really only able to motivate us for the big boys of this division/league. If we lose to QPR it's a really bad omen. Because that will then be yet another team less between us and the relegation zone as they will be moving above us. Which could further motivate the other teams below us, as if they need any further cause of action. But even if we do lose does that automatically mean we're headed for the blues? No...
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Post by lordb on Mar 8, 2019 17:19:08 GMT
To a large extent betting odds reflect the market not the odds of something actually happening. For example if every Stoke fan were to bet on Stoke going down the odds would tumble despite the fact that it would have no actual effect on the teams performance and points tally. It's unlikely but we could very definitely still go down and i'd rate the actual odds way lower than 500/1. The encouraging thing is that we are starting to gel and if anything we've deserved a better points haul then we've got over recent games. If we keep the recent momentum going we should be ok. I agree it's unlikely. That's what I've said all along. But the real test of what we are now and the direction we are heading next season is whether the momentum is real or whether we are really only able to motivate us for the big boys of this division/league. If we lose to QPR it's a really bad omen. Because that will then be yet another team less between us and the relegation zone as they will be moving above us. Which could further motivate the other teams below us, as if they need any further cause of action. But even if we do lose does that automatically mean we're headed for the blues? No... We are a dozen points clear. We would have to lose every game. Equally we would have to win every game to make the play offs. Any bet on relegation or promotion this season is free money for the bookies.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 8, 2019 17:33:27 GMT
To a large extent betting odds reflect the market not the odds of something actually happening. For example if every Stoke fan were to bet on Stoke going down the odds would tumble despite the fact that it would have no actual effect on the teams performance and points tally. It's unlikely but we could very definitely still go down and i'd rate the actual odds way lower than 500/1. The encouraging thing is that we are starting to gel and if anything we've deserved a better points haul then we've got over recent games. If we keep the recent momentum going we should be ok. I agree it's unlikely. That's what I've said all along. But the real test of what we are now and the direction we are heading next season is whether the momentum is real or whether we are really only able to motivate us for the big boys of this division/league. If we lose to QPR it's a really bad omen. Because that will then be yet another team less between us and the relegation zone as they will be moving above us. Which could further motivate the other teams below us, as if they need any further cause of action. But even if we do lose does that automatically mean we're headed for the blues? No... I thought the Leeds game was a false dawn (that wasn't a 2-0 performance) and I wasn't surprised we went on to have a bad trot, The win over Forest was a proper 2-0 and it was on the back of some solid performances, You are right that things could still go wrong but there's a pattern to the play now and the players seem to be getting it. I'm a bit calmer now than I was 3-4 weeks ago. No doubt I'll be proved wrong again....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 18:08:02 GMT
We would have to lose every game. Actually five, or even four, defeats could be enough to make you wake up in a cold sweat...
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Post by lordb on Mar 8, 2019 22:06:23 GMT
We would have to lose every game. Actually five, or even four, defeats could be enough to make you wake up in a cold sweat... Not really, would still leave plenty of games to get the three or four points we need (if that). We could lose four or five matches on the bounce yeah but ten or eleven? Come on don't be silly, it's as daft as that promotion thread. Alan Ball couldn't get us relegated from here.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 22:23:32 GMT
Actually five, or even four, defeats could be enough to make you wake up in a cold sweat... Not really, would still leave plenty of games to get the three or four points we need (if that). We could lose four or five matches on the bounce yeah but ten or eleven? Come on don't be silly, it's as daft as that promotion thread. Alan Ball couldn't get us relegated from here. We don't need to lose ten games.
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 8, 2019 23:23:44 GMT
BMI at full back is an accident waiting to happen although he played reasonably well last week. Clucas needs to help out and he can do that effectively. I'm more worried about the other fullback to be honest, but I agree Indi is not the future solution at left back at all. Not sure what you guys expect, we have conceded 3 goals in 5 matches. Do you think new FBs are going to significantly improve that? I'm not saying I wouldn't welcome a top class LB and I expect Edwards will improve with experience, he is just 20 and possibly the best 20 year old RB in the country. Maybe Edwards tries to beat his opponent when he should be passing back to the GK, but doesn't want to upset the spectators?! Of far greater concern is the team's inability to create goal scoring chances and get shots on target. Tomorrow I want to see 8 shots on target and 3 goals scored - by us of course!
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 9, 2019 3:59:28 GMT
Goooaaarrn
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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 9, 2019 8:17:03 GMT
I'm more worried about the other fullback to be honest, but I agree Indi is not the future solution at left back at all. Not sure what you guys expect, we have conceded 3 goals in 5 matches. Do you think new FBs are going to significantly improve that? I'm not saying I wouldn't welcome a top class LB and I expect Edwards will improve with experience, he is just 20 and possibly the best 20 year old RB in the country. Maybe Edwards tries to beat his opponent when he should be passing back to the GK, but doesn't want to upset the spectators?! Of far greater concern is the team's inability to create goal scoring chances and get shots on target. Tomorrow I want to see 8 shots on target and 3 goals scored - by us of course! When Edwards is up against a player with average pace he copes well, but when he is up aginst a pacy player he struggles too much for my liking. In those games I think he is a liability. I'm not saying Edwards is a bad footballer, but in modern football you won't find many good fullbacks without more than average pace.
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Post by lordb on Mar 9, 2019 10:18:35 GMT
Not really, would still leave plenty of games to get the three or four points we need (if that). We could lose four or five matches on the bounce yeah but ten or eleven? Come on don't be silly, it's as daft as that promotion thread. Alan Ball couldn't get us relegated from here. We don't need to lose ten games. Look at the table, we probably have enough points already. One more win would ensure safety.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 10:36:24 GMT
We don't need to lose ten games. Look at the table, we probably have enough points already. One more win would ensure safety. No. But one more win - as hard as they have come to scfc this season, last season, the one before that, and the one before that - would certainly go some way towards ensuring that. If we could win games, just like that, we'd never have to worry. You need to look at the table and you will see why it's premature to think that we're safe from harm.
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Post by lordb on Mar 9, 2019 10:42:22 GMT
Look at the table, we probably have enough points already. One more win would ensure safety. No. But one more win - as hard as they have come to scfc this season, last season, the one before that, and the one before that - would certainly go some way towards ensuring that. If we could win games, just like that, we'd never have to worry. You need to look at the table and you will see why it's premature to think that we're safe from harm. I think 45 or 46 points is enough this year. Wouldn't surprise me if three teams go down with less than 40 points either. As for play offs, traditionally 75 points is required,I think this year maybe 72. We won't get anywhere near. Stoke will end up either side of 60 points. 65 points would be healthy and demonstrate solid improvement 55 points would be a bit lame
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Post by stokienorthants on Mar 9, 2019 11:10:50 GMT
I agree it's unlikely. That's what I've said all along. But the real test of what we are now and the direction we are heading next season is whether the momentum is real or whether we are really only able to motivate us for the big boys of this division/league. If we lose to QPR it's a really bad omen. Because that will then be yet another team less between us and the relegation zone as they will be moving above us. Which could further motivate the other teams below us, as if they need any further cause of action. But even if we do lose does that automatically mean we're headed for the blues? No... I thought the Leeds game was a false dawn (that wasn't a 2-0 performance) and I wasn't surprised we went on to have a bad trot, The win over Forest was a proper 2-0 and it was on the back of some solid performances, You are right that things could still go wrong but there's a pattern to the play now and the players seem to be getting it. I'm a bit calmer now than I was 3-4 weeks ago. No doubt I'll be proved wrong again.... I have to agree that the victory over Leeds was not a 2-0 performance particularly as the score was 2-1!
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Mar 9, 2019 11:27:11 GMT
I'm hoping we can put a bit of a run together to end the season well and bring back some confidence and positivity. In that respect this would be a great one to win . Rangers have some good players but if we play with confidence and go for the win we can get a good result , all about the attitude being right.
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 9, 2019 11:52:48 GMT
We only win when I don't watch.
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Post by liathroid on Mar 9, 2019 12:19:20 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 9, 2019 12:26:12 GMT
It's important to me that we make our position in the league safe, then Jones can start to experiment with youngsters and drop players he has no intention of using next season.
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Post by Bagwash on Mar 9, 2019 13:41:32 GMT
Long overdue 2nd consecutive win and long,long overdue more than two goals scored in a game.
QPR 0:3 Mighty Potters.
GGGOOOAAARRRNNN STOKE
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Post by FrankButcher on Mar 9, 2019 13:41:37 GMT
Mad to think teams like Preston and Hull are 3 and 4 points off the play offs respectively couple of decent results back to back can propel you right up the table hopefully we can get something positive today!
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 9, 2019 13:43:12 GMT
I thought the Leeds game was a false dawn (that wasn't a 2-0 performance) and I wasn't surprised we went on to have a bad trot, The win over Forest was a proper 2-0 and it was on the back of some solid performances, You are right that things could still go wrong but there's a pattern to the play now and the players seem to be getting it. I'm a bit calmer now than I was 3-4 weeks ago. No doubt I'll be proved wrong again.... I have to agree that the victory over Leeds was not a 2-0 performance particularly as the score was 2-1! Doh - forgot about the last kick of the game...I'll go for a lie down...
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Post by kelw on Mar 9, 2019 13:44:52 GMT
Hadn't we gone 13 without a win or something running up to that? We were dropping like mad down the table
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