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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 7, 2019 9:08:31 GMT
If we’re swapping out Bojan for Vokes, what does that look like in practice? Is that back to the diamond with Ince at the tip of it?
Think I’d keep it the same. Maybe McClean in for Bojan to offer an outlet and a bit of brawn away from home, but I did like the space Bojan’s movement created, even played out of position.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 9:08:40 GMT
As stated earlier I am not going to bet on something I hope don't happen. Moreover I have never suggested it will happen. All I've said is it could happen... It’s pretty much impossible now. No.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 9:47:12 GMT
It’s pretty much impossible now. No. Yes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 10:18:55 GMT
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Post by apb1 on Mar 7, 2019 10:37:56 GMT
Looks like Etebo is injured for this one. Do we reckon Charlie can face a full away game without a red card? Or Woods raring to go after not playing much? I'd put Afobe on instead of Bojan. Ince might be returning to some form too.
Butland Edwards Shawcross Batth BMI Allen Adam/Woods Clucas Ince Vokes Afobe
Subs: Federici, Williams, McClean, Adam/Woods, Bojan, McClean, Verlinden/Diouf
Deffo need Verlinden in the travelling party if not in the matchday squad.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Mar 7, 2019 10:40:10 GMT
Tinkerman!Change a WINNING TEAM? Bojan needs a run and we hardly ever lose when he's in there, so bollocks to your ideas. It's true our record is quite good when Bojan plays but I put it down to the 10 men on the pitch raising their game to compensate for the lost child playing hide and seek. The same often happens after a sending off. What a pathetic comment.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 7, 2019 10:40:28 GMT
Looks like Etebo is injured for this one. Do we reckon Charlie can face a full away game without a red card? Or Woods raring to go after not playing much? I'd put Afobe on instead of Bojan. Ince might be returning to some form too. Butland Edwards Shawcross Batth BMI Allen Adam/Woods Clucas Ince Vokes Afobe Subs: Federici, Williams, McClean, Adam/Woods, Bojan, McClean, Verlinden/Diouf Deffo need Verlinden in the travelling party if not in the matchday squad. So is that Afobe on the wing?
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Post by LankyPotter on Mar 7, 2019 10:42:49 GMT
Nooooooo....Eteboooo☹️
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 7, 2019 10:44:43 GMT
Looks like Etebo is injured for this one. Do we reckon Charlie can face a full away game without a red card? Or Woods raring to go after not playing much? I'd put Afobe on instead of Bojan. Ince might be returning to some form too. Butland Edwards Shawcross Batth BMI Allen Adam/Woods Clucas Ince Vokes Afobe Subs: Federici, Williams, McClean, Adam/Woods, Bojan, McClean, Verlinden/Diouf Deffo need Verlinden in the travelling party if not in the matchday squad. So is that Afobe on the wing? Or 'The Diamond' with two up top?
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Post by apb1 on Mar 7, 2019 10:46:42 GMT
Looks like Etebo is injured for this one. Do we reckon Charlie can face a full away game without a red card? Or Woods raring to go after not playing much? I'd put Afobe on instead of Bojan. Ince might be returning to some form too. Butland Edwards Shawcross Batth BMI Allen Adam/Woods Clucas Ince Vokes Afobe Subs: Federici, Williams, McClean, Adam/Woods, Bojan, McClean, Verlinden/Diouf Deffo need Verlinden in the travelling party if not in the matchday squad. So is that Afobe on the wing? To be honest I'm not sure what the hell our formation is any more, hence the lack of care with notation of team. If it was with the much-vaunted diamond and two up front then it would be better I guess. But do we even do that now?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 7, 2019 10:47:00 GMT
So is that Afobe on the wing? Or 'The Diamond' with two up top? With Ince at the tip? Maybe, but that’s asking an awful lot of Bruno at LB...
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 7, 2019 10:47:12 GMT
Shame if Etebo misses out, even if it just the one game.
I thought Allen made a difference and did really well in that more disciplined, deeper role - so would be reluctant to change his role - but would imagine Adam would come in and play that role on Saturday with Allen pushed slightly further forward again?
Butland Edwards Shawcross Batth BMI Adam Allen Clucas Ince Afobe McClean
Subs: Federici Bauer Williams Woods Bojan Diouf Vokes
Would like to get Verlinden on the bench, but if Vokes is fit, hard to know who would miss out to fit him on there?
Maybe Diouf - but harsh after his 2 goals for the U23s on Monday.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 7, 2019 10:47:59 GMT
So is that Afobe on the wing? To be honest I'm not sure what the hell our formation is any more, hence the lack of care with notation of team. If it was with the much-vaunted diamond and two up front then it would be better I guess. But do we even do that now? We’ve been playing a sort of 433 the last couple of games, he’s (sensibly) resting the diamond until we have the players for it I suspect.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 7, 2019 10:53:12 GMT
Or 'The Diamond' with two up top? With Ince at the tip? Maybe, but that’s asking an awful lot of Bruno at LB... I agree mate. I was playing 'Devils Advocate'. I think the 433 suits our current personnel and I think Jones has twigged that as well I reckon he'll go Adam for Etebo and McClean for Bojan as FM has suggested above. And whilst I'd personally keep Bojan in I can see the logic behind McClean.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 10:59:15 GMT
If Etebo is injured, I'd go with:
Butland Edwards Batth Shawcross BMI Adam/Woods Allen Clucas Bojan Afobe Vokes
Subs: Ince, McClean, Adam/Woods
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Butland Back 4 Clucas Woods Allen Ince Afobe McClean
Subs: Adam, Bojan, Vokes
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Post by thehoof on Mar 7, 2019 11:09:16 GMT
Ince is the difficult one. If he runs as he did for the final 25 minutes against Forest then play him. If he drops into his level of performance that has been exhibited for the previous 6 and a half games then he should be on the bench. It’s an away game, so I expect more of the latter than the former.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Mar 7, 2019 12:39:07 GMT
BMI at full back is an accident waiting to happen although he played reasonably well last week. Clucas needs to help out and he can do that effectively.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 7, 2019 13:01:17 GMT
It's true our record is quite good when Bojan plays but I put it down to the 10 men on the pitch raising their game to compensate for the lost child playing hide and seek. The same often happens after a sending off. What a pathetic comment. No more pathetic than the constant carping about Bojan needing games - when exactly did Stoke City Football Club become the Bojan Rehabilitation Society? It's up to Bojan to prove he's worthy of a place in the starting 11 - it's not up to the other 10 players to get Bojan first team ready. The fact is Bojan has wasted his career. I feel as sorry as anyone about his injury but before and after the injury he struggled to establish himself in a first 11 - under several manager's at several clubs. Technically he's one of the best footballers I've seen in a Stoke shirt but he simply hasn't got what it takes to make it as a first team regular in any league with a physical edge. He's lightweight, easily knocked off the ball and when the going gets tough goes into hiding leaving his teammates to cover the gap on the pitch. I'd love it if he came good but every indication is to the contrary. Best for everyone if he goes somewhere like the US and wows everyone in a low contact version of the sport.
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Post by chayzenbacon on Mar 7, 2019 13:57:45 GMT
No more pathetic than the constant carping about Bojan needing games - when exactly did Stoke City Football Club become the Bojan Rehabilitation Society? It's up to Bojan to prove he's worthy of a place in the starting 11 - it's not up to the other 10 players to get Bojan first team ready. The fact is Bojan has wasted his career. I feel as sorry as anyone about his injury but before and after the injury he struggled to establish himself in a first 11 - under several manager's at several clubs. Technically he's one of the best footballers I've seen in a Stoke shirt but he simply hasn't got what it takes to make it as a first team regular in any league with a physical edge. He's lightweight, easily knocked off the ball and when the going gets tough goes into hiding leaving his teammates to cover the gap on the pitch. I'd love it if he came good but every indication is to the contrary. Best for everyone if he goes somewhere like the US and wows everyone in a low contact version of the sport. It's difficult, impossible really, for any player to prove he's worthy when they only get game time for 30 or 60 minutes every 5 or 6 weeks. It might be a different matter if we wound the clock back 30 years and there was the Central League and a full reserve team set up for players to get competitive game time every week even when they're not in the 1st team squad. The way things are set up these days no player missing out on regular time on the pitch can come in and be fully match fit, sharp and up to speed. Which is why so many people say that Bojan needs games, it's very simple and it applies to every player not just Bojan. What could possibly be wrong with you that you can't see that?
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Post by thehoof on Mar 7, 2019 14:27:10 GMT
No more pathetic than the constant carping about Bojan needing games - when exactly did Stoke City Football Club become the Bojan Rehabilitation Society? It's up to Bojan to prove he's worthy of a place in the starting 11 - it's not up to the other 10 players to get Bojan first team ready. The fact is Bojan has wasted his career. I feel as sorry as anyone about his injury but before and after the injury he struggled to establish himself in a first 11 - under several manager's at several clubs. Technically he's one of the best footballers I've seen in a Stoke shirt but he simply hasn't got what it takes to make it as a first team regular in any league with a physical edge. He's lightweight, easily knocked off the ball and when the going gets tough goes into hiding leaving his teammates to cover the gap on the pitch. I'd love it if he came good but every indication is to the contrary. Best for everyone if he goes somewhere like the US and wows everyone in a low contact version of the sport. Your comments about being lightweight, easily knocked off the ball and going missing apply totally to Tom Ince. I take it you want him dropping too? After all you need to be consistent.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 15:01:40 GMT
BMI at full back is an accident waiting to happen although he played reasonably well last week. Since everyone agrees that it is unlikely Stoke go down or up, why not give some decent, hungry players a chance vs QPR: Federici, Edwards, Collins, Batth, Niakete, Verlinden, Sorensen, Allen, Adam, Bojan, Afobe Bench: Butland, Bauer, Shawcross, Dunwood, Pemberton, Jarvis, Diouf. I'd have liked to include more younger players, but they have to have some readiness and you can't include 18 youth players all at the same time. So a few old hands are called upon.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 15:17:56 GMT
BMI at full back is an accident waiting to happen although he played reasonably well last week. Since everyone agrees that it is unlikely Stoke go down or up, why not give some decent, hungry players a chance vs QPR: Federici, Edwards, Collins, Batth, Niakete, Verlinden, Sorensen, Allen, Adam, Bojan, Afobe Bench: Butland, Bauer, Shawcross, Dunwood, Pemberton, Jarvis, Diouf. I'd have liked to include more younger players, but they have to have some readiness and you can't include 18 youth players all at the same time. So a few old hands are called upon. That would be an absolutely mental team selection.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 7, 2019 16:42:38 GMT
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Mar 7, 2019 22:57:39 GMT
BMI at full back is an accident waiting to happen although he played reasonably well last week. Since everyone agrees that it is unlikely Stoke go down or up, why not give some decent, hungry players a chance vs QPR: Federici, Edwards, Collins, Batth, Niakete, Verlinden, Sorensen, Allen, Adam, Bojan, Afobe Bench: Butland, Bauer, Shawcross, Dunwood, Pemberton, Jarvis, Diouf. I'd have liked to include more younger players, but they have to have some readiness and you can't include 18 youth players all at the same time. So a few old hands are called upon. I’d love to see get some game time once we’re mathematically safe.
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Post by kelw on Mar 8, 2019 1:08:46 GMT
BMI at full back is an accident waiting to happen although he played reasonably well last week. Since everyone agrees that it is unlikely Stoke go down or up, why not give some decent, hungry players a chance vs QPR: Federici, Edwards, Collins, Batth, Niakete, Verlinden, Sorensen, Allen, Adam, Bojan, Afobe Bench: Butland, Bauer, Shawcross, Dunwood, Pemberton, Jarvis, Diouf. I'd have liked to include more younger players, but they have to have some readiness and you can't include 18 youth players all at the same time. So a few old hands are called upon. Play a couple of ball boys while we're at it
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Post by kustokie on Mar 8, 2019 1:54:05 GMT
If we’re swapping out Bojan for Vokes, what does that look like in practice? Is that back to the diamond with Ince at the tip of it? Think I’d keep it the same. Maybe McClean in for Bojan to offer an outlet and a bit of brawn away from home, but I did like the space Bojan’s movement created, even played out of position. Why not Bojan at the tip of the diamond and Ince on one of the corners? Butland Edwards Batth BMI Clucas Etebo/adam/Woods Ince Allen Bojan Vokes Afobe
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 8, 2019 7:39:41 GMT
If we’re swapping out Bojan for Vokes, what does that look like in practice? Is that back to the diamond with Ince at the tip of it? Think I’d keep it the same. Maybe McClean in for Bojan to offer an outlet and a bit of brawn away from home, but I did like the space Bojan’s movement created, even played out of position. Why not Bojan at the tip of the diamond and Ince on one of the corners? Butland Edwards Batth BMI Clucas Etebo/adam/Woods Ince Allen Bojan Vokes Afobe Because Ince isn't a central midfielder. I actually like him a lot as a player for all his faults but he's not got the physicality or the heart to play the kind of high energy central midfield role in that system.
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Post by str8outtahampton on Mar 8, 2019 8:03:43 GMT
It depends how you define "pretty much impossible". Denise thinks there is one chance in 500 we will go down. So she thinks it is possible. But I would say she also thinks it is pretty much impossible. I agree with her. She is often right. For example, she has earned approximately £2.1m since this thread started 72 hours ago.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 8, 2019 8:11:10 GMT
After Forest despite some previous poor performances we shouldn’t drop Ince or Afobe or it could really knock there confidence. With Etebo out I’d go with
......................Butland.................. Edwards....Batth...Ryan........Indi .......Allen........Adam...Clucas..... .........................Ince................... ................Vokes.......Afobe........
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 8, 2019 8:32:13 GMT
No more pathetic than the constant carping about Bojan needing games - when exactly did Stoke City Football Club become the Bojan Rehabilitation Society? It's up to Bojan to prove he's worthy of a place in the starting 11 - it's not up to the other 10 players to get Bojan first team ready. The fact is Bojan has wasted his career. I feel as sorry as anyone about his injury but before and after the injury he struggled to establish himself in a first 11 - under several manager's at several clubs. Technically he's one of the best footballers I've seen in a Stoke shirt but he simply hasn't got what it takes to make it as a first team regular in any league with a physical edge. He's lightweight, easily knocked off the ball and when the going gets tough goes into hiding leaving his teammates to cover the gap on the pitch. I'd love it if he came good but every indication is to the contrary. Best for everyone if he goes somewhere like the US and wows everyone in a low contact version of the sport. Your comments about being lightweight, easily knocked off the ball and going missing apply totally to Tom Ince. I take it you want him dropping too? After all you need to be consistent. I'd have no problem with Ince being dropped - for the same reasons plus the fact that he's a surly git. At least Bojan appears quite a happy chap. The only reason I didn't bang on about Ince is he doesn't have the same insane fanbase who constantly put his interests above that of the team. I want Stoke to play decent football, I don't want to see a team of cloggers out there and I recognise that Ince and Bojan are technically two of the best players in the squad. However being effective on a football pitch at that level requires more than just technical ability - it involves taking the knocks and showing up when the going gets tough. Ince and Bojan don't do that - if things don't go right for them they hide and the rest of the team end up carrying dead weight. And in Ince's case miserable dead weight. Jones is giving them both a chance to show if they've got a place in the squad next year, However unless something changes I can see both of them going in the summer - they don't seem to have the tenacity and team ethic that Jones appears to value.
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