|
Post by bayernoatcake on May 21, 2019 22:56:04 GMT
We'll be a better team without Joe Allen in it Seriously though, I like wee Joe, his tenacity and work rate is second to none..... But there's something I can't quite put my finger on that makes me also think he's a weak link!!! Still.... I can't quite make up my mind whether I'd prefer him to stay, or wish him well elsewhere!!! It’s probably that he can’t keep the shape. Or stay goalside. Struggles to track runners. His second touch is a tackle. And we’ve progressively got worse the longer he’s been here.
|
|
|
Joe Allen
May 21, 2019 23:06:18 GMT
via mobile
Post by terrorofturfmoor on May 21, 2019 23:06:18 GMT
Seriously though, I like wee Joe, his tenacity and work rate is second to none..... But there's something I can't quite put my finger on that makes me also think he's a weak link!!! Still.... I can't quite make up my mind whether I'd prefer him to stay, or wish him well elsewhere!!! It’s probably that he can’t keep the shape. Or stay goalside. Struggles to track runners. His second touch is a tackle. And we’ve progressively got worse the longer he’s been here. Welcome back bayern, what's happened to twitter???
|
|
|
Post by dastokie on May 21, 2019 23:16:16 GMT
Signing him from the bin dippers was the down fall.
Told the lads at work the day he signed was a massive step backwards after Nzonzi.
|
|
|
Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on May 22, 2019 7:32:09 GMT
Allen and Etebo would be ideal as a midfield 2 at the centre of the diamond. What we've missed is a midfield destroyer at the base of the diamond - sort that out and Allen and Etebo will be far more effective.
Neither have contributed as much as you'd like in the attacking half because they've had to shore up a dodgy defence. If that gets strengthened and supported by an effective defensive midfielder both of them will have more licence to go forward.
The key signing for me is that defensive midfielder - that's the player to build the team around and for all their qualities Allen and Etebo aren't that player. Get that right and we've got a chance of getting the diamond to work.
|
|
ash
Youth Player
Posts: 278
|
Post by ash on May 22, 2019 7:35:28 GMT
Allen and Etebo would be ideal as a midfield 2 at the centre of the diamond. What we've missed is a midfield destroyer at the base of the diamond - sort that out and Allen and Etebo will be far more effective. Neither have contributed as much as you'd like in the attacking half because they've had to shore up a dodgy defence. If that gets strengthened and supported by an effective defensive midfielder both of them will have more licence to go forward. The key signing for me is that defensive midfielder - that's the player to build the team around and for all their qualities Allen and Etebo aren't that player. Get that right and we've got a chance of getting the diamond to work. Spot on. When Hughes let Whelan go he was never replaced. Whelan was an unsung hero in the side allowing lots of other players to shine. Sadly never appreciated by some of our "supporters"!
|
|
abdylilah
Youth Player
Posts: 344
Location: Bilbao-on-Trent
|
Post by abdylilah on May 22, 2019 7:38:10 GMT
Allen and Etebo would be ideal as a midfield 2 at the centre of the diamond. What we've missed is a midfield destroyer at the base of the diamond - sort that out and Allen and Etebo will be far more effective. Neither have contributed as much as you'd like in the attacking half because they've had to shore up a dodgy defence. If that gets strengthened and supported by an effective defensive midfielder both of them will have more licence to go forward. The key signing for me is that defensive midfielder - that's the player to build the team around and for all their qualities Allen and Etebo aren't that player. Get that right and we've got a chance of getting the diamond to work. This, This, This, This and This... However, I don't think for a second we'll be keeping both of them! Can't remember where I've read it (possibly on another thread), but encouraged to hear is after a midfield destroyer.
|
|
|
Joe Allen
May 22, 2019 8:04:54 GMT
via mobile
Post by trickydicky73 on May 22, 2019 8:04:54 GMT
Good luck finding this beast of a player at this level. I mean he is going to have to be Whelan squared, isn't he?
|
|
|
Post by Gary Hackett on May 22, 2019 8:20:57 GMT
Allen and Etebo would be ideal as a midfield 2 at the centre of the diamond. What we've missed is a midfield destroyer at the base of the diamond - sort that out and Allen and Etebo will be far more effective. Agree.
|
|
|
Post by skelman on May 22, 2019 8:35:33 GMT
Allen and Etebo would be ideal as a midfield 2 at the centre of the diamond. What we've missed is a midfield destroyer at the base of the diamond - sort that out and Allen and Etebo will be far more effective. Neither have contributed as much as you'd like in the attacking half because they've had to shore up a dodgy defence. If that gets strengthened and supported by an effective defensive midfielder both of them will have more licence to go forward. The key signing for me is that defensive midfielder - that's the player to build the team around and for all their qualities Allen and Etebo aren't that player. Get that right and we've got a chance of getting the diamond to work. Some truth in what Bayern says however the above for me is crucial. Although Rowett thought so, Woods was never the answer though I recall he even made him de facto captain for a couple of games 😎
|
|
|
Post by bayernoatcake on May 22, 2019 8:41:02 GMT
Allen and Etebo would be ideal as a midfield 2 at the centre of the diamond. What we've missed is a midfield destroyer at the base of the diamond - sort that out and Allen and Etebo will be far more effective. Neither have contributed as much as you'd like in the attacking half because they've had to shore up a dodgy defence. If that gets strengthened and supported by an effective defensive midfielder both of them will have more licence to go forward. The key signing for me is that defensive midfielder - that's the player to build the team around and for all their qualities Allen and Etebo aren't that player. Get that right and we've got a chance of getting the diamond to work. Spot on. When Hughes let Whelan go he was never replaced. Whelan was an unsung hero in the side allowing lots of other players to shine. Sadly never appreciated by some of our "supporters"! Whelan himself needed replacing about 2 years after we signed him though. And I like Glenn but he did if we wanted to improve. He had his good seasons and he had his bad seasons. The failure of TP and Hughes primarily not to replace him is just maddening. Because he was decent but he wasn't that good. There are scores of better defensive midfielders out there but we never signed one. We went for the energetic sort like Whitehead, Allen, Etebo etc. It's one of the more odd things our managers and recruitment have done. Whelan was released at exactly the right time, he had a poor season previous and it was the correct call.
|
|
ash
Youth Player
Posts: 278
|
Post by ash on May 22, 2019 9:01:21 GMT
Spot on. When Hughes let Whelan go he was never replaced. Whelan was an unsung hero in the side allowing lots of other players to shine. Sadly never appreciated by some of our "supporters"! Whelan himself needed replacing about 2 years after we signed him though. And I like Glenn but he did if we wanted to improve. He had his good seasons and he had his bad seasons. The failure of TP and Hughes primarily not to replace him is just maddening. Because he was decent but he wasn't that good. There are scores of better defensive midfielders out there but we never signed one. We went for the energetic sort like Whitehead, Allen, Etebo etc. It's one of the more odd things our managers and recruitment have done. Whelan was released at exactly the right time, he had a poor season previous and it was the correct call. I disagree that he needed replacing two years after we signed him, he needed some competition for his place which he never really had. I agree that he was released at the right time, but only if we had signed a replacement which we still hadn't. I honestly believe that with Whelan in our side in our final season in the Premier League he would have made enough difference to gain the four points that would have kept us up. Don't get me wrong I know he was passed his best by this time but still better than what we had available.
|
|
|
Post by skelman on May 22, 2019 9:11:31 GMT
Spot on. When Hughes let Whelan go he was never replaced. Whelan was an unsung hero in the side allowing lots of other players to shine. Sadly never appreciated by some of our "supporters"! Whelan himself needed replacing about 2 years after we signed him though. And I like Glenn but he did if we wanted to improve. He had his good seasons and he had his bad seasons. The failure of TP and Hughes primarily not to replace him is just maddening. Because he was decent but he wasn't that good. There are scores of better defensive midfielders out there but we never signed one. We went for the energetic sort like Whitehead, Allen, Etebo etc. It's one of the more odd things our managers and recruitment have done. Whelan was released at exactly the right time, he had a poor season previous and it was the correct call. There were a couple of failed attempts to get a more mobile Whelanesque player but no-one could really displace him. Definitely an ‘unsung hero’ for me. Read the game well, kept things simple, usually at the business on time, a no nonsense leader and the required dna for sure. Never really heard much criticism of Glenn down the ground, just on here. ps remember that Whitehead goal up Old Trafford? 😎
|
|
|
Post by bayernoatcake on May 22, 2019 9:42:19 GMT
Whelan himself needed replacing about 2 years after we signed him though. And I like Glenn but he did if we wanted to improve. He had his good seasons and he had his bad seasons. The failure of TP and Hughes primarily not to replace him is just maddening. Because he was decent but he wasn't that good. There are scores of better defensive midfielders out there but we never signed one. We went for the energetic sort like Whitehead, Allen, Etebo etc. It's one of the more odd things our managers and recruitment have done. Whelan was released at exactly the right time, he had a poor season previous and it was the correct call. I disagree that he needed replacing two years after we signed him, he needed some competition for his place which he never really had. I agree that he was released at the right time, but only if we had signed a replacement which we still hadn't. I honestly believe that with Whelan in our side in our final season in the Premier League he would have made enough difference to gain the four points that would have kept us up. Don't get me wrong I know he was passed his best by this time but still better than what we had available. That's what I meant essentially but definitely more of a replacement and a better player. We struggled with Whelan in the side, we were getting caned 4-0 with Whelan in the side, Whelan was part of the problem at the end.
|
|
|
Post by bayernoatcake on May 22, 2019 9:44:20 GMT
Whelan himself needed replacing about 2 years after we signed him though. And I like Glenn but he did if we wanted to improve. He had his good seasons and he had his bad seasons. The failure of TP and Hughes primarily not to replace him is just maddening. Because he was decent but he wasn't that good. There are scores of better defensive midfielders out there but we never signed one. We went for the energetic sort like Whitehead, Allen, Etebo etc. It's one of the more odd things our managers and recruitment have done. Whelan was released at exactly the right time, he had a poor season previous and it was the correct call. There were a couple of failed attempts to get a more mobile Whelanesque player but no-one could really displace him. Definitely an ‘unsung hero’ for me. Read the game well, kept things simple, usually at the business on time, a no nonsense leader and the required dna for sure. Never really heard much criticism of Glenn down the ground, just on here. ps remember that Whitehead goal up Old Trafford? 😎 There was loads of moans and groans when he was on the ball. He did well for us overall but he also had 2/3 bad seasons. And we always needed a player there. We just never got one. Or got close to signing a proper DM.
|
|
ash
Youth Player
Posts: 278
|
Post by ash on May 22, 2019 9:54:53 GMT
There were a couple of failed attempts to get a more mobile Whelanesque player but no-one could really displace him. Definitely an ‘unsung hero’ for me. Read the game well, kept things simple, usually at the business on time, a no nonsense leader and the required dna for sure. Never really heard much criticism of Glenn down the ground, just on here. ps remember that Whitehead goal up Old Trafford? 😎 There was loads of moans and groans when he was on the ball. He did well for us overall but he also had 2/3 bad seasons. And we always needed a player there. We just never got one. Or got close to signing a proper DM. My point is that even when Glen wasn't at his best towards the end of his time with us we were still better with him in the team than without him given the personnel at our disposal!
|
|
|
Post by bayernoatcake on May 22, 2019 10:32:16 GMT
There was loads of moans and groans when he was on the ball. He did well for us overall but he also had 2/3 bad seasons. And we always needed a player there. We just never got one. Or got close to signing a proper DM. My point is that even when Glen wasn't at his best towards the end of his time with us we were still better with him in the team than without him given the personnel at our disposal! We were utter shite with or without him by the end of his time here. And indeed he was part of the team that put in the most sorry performance I saw in that time at Spurs away. We'd have gone down with him in the side, the rot was already well established by then. The team that day was full of the good ol' boys who wouldn't let it happen. Grant Bardo Shawcross Indi Pieters Whelan Adam Allen Ramadan Crouch Arnie The good old 433.
|
|
|
Post by skelman on May 22, 2019 10:57:34 GMT
My point is that even when Glen wasn't at his best towards the end of his time with us we were still better with him in the team than without him given the personnel at our disposal! We were utter shite with or without him by the end of his time here. And indeed he was part of the team that put in the most sorry performance I saw in that time at Spurs away. We'd have gone down with him in the side, the rot was already well established by then. The team that day was full of the good ol' boys who wouldn't let it happen. Grant Bardo Shawcross Indi Pieters Whelan Adam Allen Ramadan Crouch Arnie The good old 433. Bit blinkered in your view methinks Bayern. WHELAN - certainly frustrating at times. Utter shite by the end of his time with us, definitely not. It wasn’t his fault he lasted 9 years at Stoke, playing 290 odd games (and scoring just 5). Even last season at Villa he played 38 games, scored 1 and made 3 assists, being a key player in their promotion push! More credit due to him I think 🥴
|
|
|
Post by bayernoatcake on May 22, 2019 11:07:29 GMT
We were utter shite with or without him by the end of his time here. And indeed he was part of the team that put in the most sorry performance I saw in that time at Spurs away. We'd have gone down with him in the side, the rot was already well established by then. The team that day was full of the good ol' boys who wouldn't let it happen. Grant Bardo Shawcross Indi Pieters Whelan Adam Allen Ramadan Crouch Arnie The good old 433. Bit blinkered in your view methinks Bayern. WHELAN - certainly frustrating at times. Utter shite by the end of his time with us, definitely not. It wasn’t his fault he lasted 9 years at Stoke, playing 290 odd games (and scoring just 5). Even last season at Villa he played 38 games, scored 1 and made 3 assists, being a key player in their promotion push! More credit due to him I think 🥴 How is it blinkered? I always liked Glenn. But by the end of his time here in that last season he was gone. I haven't said it was his fault, in fact I've said quite clearly it was TP, Hughes and the recruitment teams over that time period for getting no one else in who was better. He was a good solid pro for us on the whole but by the end he wasn't any use as the results that season bear out.
|
|
|
Joe Allen
May 22, 2019 11:18:23 GMT
via mobile
Post by trickydicky73 on May 22, 2019 11:18:23 GMT
Bit blinkered in your view methinks Bayern. WHELAN - certainly frustrating at times. Utter shite by the end of his time with us, definitely not. It wasn’t his fault he lasted 9 years at Stoke, playing 290 odd games (and scoring just 5). Even last season at Villa he played 38 games, scored 1 and made 3 assists, being a key player in their promotion push! More credit due to him I think 🥴 How is it blinkered? I always liked Glenn. But by the end of his time here in that last season he was gone. I haven't said it was his fault, in fact I've said quite clearly it was TP, Hughes and the recruitment teams over that time period for getting no one else in who was better. He was a good solid pro for us on the whole but by the end he wasn't any use as the results that season bear out. Losing N'Zonzi was the key, not losing an ageing Whelan.
|
|
|
Post by skelman on May 22, 2019 13:04:32 GMT
Bit blinkered in your view methinks Bayern. WHELAN - certainly frustrating at times. Utter shite by the end of his time with us, definitely not. It wasn’t his fault he lasted 9 years at Stoke, playing 290 odd games (and scoring just 5). Even last season at Villa he played 38 games, scored 1 and made 3 assists, being a key player in their promotion push! More credit due to him I think 🥴 How is it blinkered? I always liked Glenn. But by the end of his time here in that last season he was gone. I haven't said it was his fault, in fact I've said quite clearly it was TP, Hughes and the recruitment teams over that time period for getting no one else in who was better. He was a good solid pro for us on the whole but by the end he wasn't any use as the results that season bear out. We’d probably broadly agree about Whelan over a pint however, you’re a bit of an awkward old codger whereas I’m not and I don’t drink! ........ much! 😉 Lovely and sunny here in the south of France but I’m not telling you where cus you’ve probably been and it was shite then 😖🤣 Just hope we get a good season this time round mate 😏👍
|
|
|
Post by Laughing Gravy on May 22, 2019 14:08:50 GMT
How is it blinkered? I always liked Glenn. But by the end of his time here in that last season he was gone. I haven't said it was his fault, in fact I've said quite clearly it was TP, Hughes and the recruitment teams over that time period for getting no one else in who was better. He was a good solid pro for us on the whole but by the end he wasn't any use as the results that season bear out. We’d probably broadly agree about Whelan over a pint however, you’re a bit of an awkward old codger whereas I’m not and I don’t drink! ........ much! 😉 Lovely and sunny here in the south of France but I’m not telling you where cus you’ve probably been and it was shite then 😖🤣 Just hope we get a good season this time round mate 😏👍 Hang on a bit. Your middle name is Victor and you're normally pissed as a fart at this time of day. What you doing dans la belle France anyway? Is it August already?
|
|
|
Post by spitthedog on May 22, 2019 23:04:53 GMT
|
|
|
Post by standbutler1 on May 22, 2019 23:13:14 GMT
Can be medico one day . great on another. But always hard working.
|
|
|
Post by FullerMagic on Jun 6, 2019 22:27:08 GMT
|
|
|
Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 6, 2019 22:28:03 GMT
Worst news of the summer so far.
|
|
|
Post by owdestokie2 on Jun 6, 2019 22:57:14 GMT
Worst news of the summer so far. You sir spout absolute shite
|
|
|
Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 7, 2019 5:08:57 GMT
Worst news of the summer so far. You sir spout absolute shite Ah yes he’s wonderful. 12th in the PL 19th in the PL 17th? In the Champo Where next with the midfield general guiding us? He’s been an horrific signing for this club. He still hasn’t found a role that’s his under 4 managers despite playing almost every game. The above timeline is no coincidence.
|
|
|
Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jun 7, 2019 5:15:20 GMT
Whilst Joe Allen remains we will never get our midfield organised.
Like the England midfield last night, we never really get in control of a game because midfield is all over the place
|
|
|
Post by sneydgreenstokie1 on Jun 7, 2019 5:16:20 GMT
Worst news of the summer so far. Incorrect! You posting on here again is the worst news of the summer
|
|
|
Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 7, 2019 5:17:57 GMT
Worst news of the summer so far. Incorrect! You posting on here again is the worst news of the summer Not at all. Some of the things going unchecked on here were laughable.
|
|