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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 10, 2019 18:00:36 GMT
So do you think booing during the game will lead to a win cos all the players think wow I didn't know we weren' t doing very well I'd better start passing better? It's like a teacher saying you're not doing very well because you're getting all the answers wrong. You want the teacher to congratulate them for getting it wrong? No but my point is that the child already knows they are getting the answers wrong but needs the teacher to help them and give them encouragement not just tell them they are not very good. Pointing out someone's failings doesn't encourage them to do better
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Post by thehoof on Feb 10, 2019 18:08:37 GMT
I wholeheartedly agree with this post.The atmosphere was a return to the Victoria ground which many years ago Mike Doyle had the balls to raise. A little encouragement goes along way. The away support is totally different to the home support and we are indeed a part of the problem. And using the f word to disagree is proof positive. It’s arrogant And the away results are great arent they ? Exactly- this stuff about players reacting positively when the fans get behind them is blown out of the water by their away performances- someone enlighten me as to what is holding us back away from home- we literally never stopped cheering at Hull and were treated to a complete limp effort to get anywhere. Clucas has been here 6 months plays well for 4 games has been dogs droppings since but shushes the crowd and thinks that comments such as “its one of those things” will enamour the support. The root cause of our issues is not supporters, it’s a bunch of individuals who do not play as a team, have opinions about their ability which is in excess of their achievements and the fact that they genuinely do not look interested. The support has been there when the players have shown commitment and passion, (Leeds, Derby, Villa away)- where is the intelligence or pride of the players when they cannot recognise that it is their level of performance and application that is causing the massive disconnect?
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Post by stroller on Feb 10, 2019 18:10:39 GMT
Nobody has yet answered the question what do you think booing and jeering achieves. Those of you who think the fans don't play a part please answer. I can understand a lack of atmosphere but the hostility is embarrassing If I were a skillful championship player and I was getting jeered at I would think to myself "right I'll show you lot." Then I would up my work rate, tackle harder, gee up my team mates... in short do my best to shut the booers up and get them cheering for me. No way would I let my head drop and get demoralized, especially if I was on 20 grand a week. Does that go some way to answering your question?
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Post by owdestokie2 on Feb 10, 2019 18:20:59 GMT
I’ve just watched until the 80th minute the demolition of Chelsea by a bunch of multi millionaires, who just happen to be “professional” footballers of the highest pedigree. Attitude + mentality + skill. Their intensity even when four up was to be applauded. Now take a few millionaires who (in general) don’t show that level of “desire” and we have SCFC and that is the fault of a minority of vocal boo boys. Confidence drained!! FFS That rant is after several pints of Abbott
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 10, 2019 18:37:34 GMT
Nobody has yet answered the question what do you think booing and jeering achieves. Those of you who think the fans don't play a part please answer. I can understand a lack of atmosphere but the hostility is embarrassing If I were a skillful championship player and I was getting jeered at I would think to myself "right I'll show you lot." Then I would up my work rate, tackle harder, gee up my team mates... in short do my best to shut the booers up and get them cheering for me. No way would I let my head drop and get demoralized, especially if I was on 20 grand a week. Does that go some way to answering your question? Attitude + mentality + skill + CONFIDENCE. Booing doesn't improve confidence which our players are drastically short of. Thanks for answering my question properly and I appreciate what you are saying. Are you sure that if people at work were constantly telling you you were no good at your job you wouldn't feel fed up though? I know I would be looking for a new job.
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Post by stroller on Feb 10, 2019 18:52:33 GMT
If I were a skillful championship player and I was getting jeered at I would think to myself "right I'll show you lot." Then I would up my work rate, tackle harder, gee up my team mates... in short do my best to shut the booers up and get them cheering for me. No way would I let my head drop and get demoralized, especially if I was on 20 grand a week. Does that go some way to answering your question? Attitude + mentality + skill + CONFIDENCE. Booing doesn't improve confidence which our players are drastically short of. Thanks for answering my question properly and I appreciate what you are saying. Are you sure that if people at work were constantly telling you you were no good at your job you wouldn't feel fed up though? I know I would be looking for a new job. You are quite right re: motivation and negativity. When I had a team of workers to lead I wouldn't have dreamed of undermining them with constant criticism. However, football supporting is about emotion, that's why the crowd boo, cheer and sing. Watching a game without emotion is only half an experience. Who can blame the low paid worker (spending a significant proportion of his limited disposable income on a ticket) booing overpaid underachievers. I for one have tried sitting on my hands with my mouth shut when we have played so badly recently, but I felt no better for it after the game.
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Post by bigvern on Feb 10, 2019 18:56:50 GMT
I don't think that I've ever booed the side, I find it a bit camp. That being said I've thrown numerous coins at the boardroom windows down the Old Vic in the sack the board demos 🤔🤔
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Post by retired1 on Feb 10, 2019 19:08:40 GMT
some only happy when we are moaning and I dodn't mean sexually
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Post by philm87 on Feb 10, 2019 19:29:28 GMT
I think we need to deal with this 'multi millionnaires' bollocks too.
The players are massively, massively overpaid yes. That makes it that much easier to hate them. But ALL footballers are massively overpaid. The owners are even more massively overpaid. Last year, Denise Coates paid herself more than our entire fucking wage bill.
It's called fucking capitalism. I don't particularly like it but unless you want some sort of revolution - and most of you clearly don't - stop fucking bitching about players' wages.
Secondly, it might be hard to accept this when you have fuck all money (and trust me I know what that feels like) but having millions of pounds will not make you invincible. Millionaires or not they are still human. They still care about what people and fans think about them, they still feel shit when people shout 'you're shit' at them and they still hurt after a loss. Butland is a millionnaire, could easily leave us for a Premier League club, yet he was crying on the pitch when we were relegated. There are some wankers like Jese who genuinely do not give a shit about us, but most of them do. At the very least, they care about their own careers.
I have said many times, just like someone on here did above, 'if I had 20,000 a week I wouldn't give a shit what people say about me' or 'if I was a professional footballer I would simply up my game if things were going against me' but that is bollocks. None of us know how to deal with that kind of pressure and scrutiny because none of us have ever or will ever face that situation. All we are doing is adding to that pressure.
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Post by thevoid on Feb 10, 2019 19:49:00 GMT
If you boo at the end the outcome is already known. So do you think booing during the game will lead to a win cos all the players think wow I didn't know we weren' t doing very well I'd better start passing better? It's like a teacher saying you're not doing very well because you're getting all the answers wrong. It really isn't 😂
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Post by thevoid on Feb 10, 2019 19:52:32 GMT
You want the teacher to congratulate them for getting it wrong? No but my point is that the child already knows they are getting the answers wrong but needs the teacher to help them and give them encouragement not just tell them they are not very good. Pointing out someone's failings doesn't encourage them to do better Perhaps we could do jazz hands as they run onto the pitch, they might get intimidated by that nasty clapping.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 20:13:28 GMT
I think we need to deal with this 'multi millionnaires' bollocks too. The players are massively, massively overpaid yes. That makes it that much easier to hate them. But ALL footballers are massively overpaid. The owners are even more massively overpaid. Last year, Denise Coates paid herself more than our entire fucking wage bill. The difference is that Denise Coates runs a business that produces the money, that she pays to herself. The profits have to be made first, and THEN she pays it out.
Our shower of shit get paid the money whether they have earned it or not.
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Post by palerider on Feb 10, 2019 20:18:27 GMT
It doesn’t matter how much you shout ,cheer and encourage a turd, At the end of the day it’s still shit
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Post by lloydcolesguitar on Feb 10, 2019 20:23:00 GMT
I’ve just watched until the 80th minute the demolition of Chelsea by a bunch of multi millionaires, who just happen to be “professional” footballers of the highest pedigree. Attitude + mentality + skill. Their intensity even when four up was to be applauded. Now take a few millionaires who (in general) don’t show that level of “desire” and we have SCFC and that is the fault of a minority of vocal boo boys. Confidence drained!! FFS That rant is after several pints of Abbott And hopefully would still be the same after several pints of milk owd
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 10, 2019 20:42:04 GMT
Their keeper had his easiest game this season. We were dreadful. But I don’t blame Jones. Butland had the same tbf.
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Post by thehoof on Feb 10, 2019 23:03:45 GMT
I think we need to deal with this 'multi millionnaires' bollocks too. The players are massively, massively overpaid yes. That makes it that much easier to hate them. But ALL footballers are massively overpaid. The owners are even more massively overpaid. Last year, Denise Coates paid herself more than our entire fucking wage bill. It's called fucking capitalism. I don't particularly like it but unless you want some sort of revolution - and most of you clearly don't - stop fucking bitching about players' wages. Secondly, it might be hard to accept this when you have fuck all money (and trust me I know what that feels like) but having millions of pounds will not make you invincible. Millionaires or not they are still human. They still care about what people and fans think about them, they still feel shit when people shout 'you're shit' at them and they still hurt after a loss. Butland is a millionnaire, could easily leave us for a Premier League club, yet he was crying on the pitch when we were relegated. There are some wankers like Jese who genuinely do not give a shit about us, but most of them do. At the very least, they care about their own careers. I have said many times, just like someone on here did above, 'if I had 20,000 a week I wouldn't give a shit what people say about me' or 'if I was a professional footballer I would simply up my game if things were going against me' but that is bollocks. None of us know how to deal with that kind of pressure and scrutiny because none of us have ever or will ever face that situation. All we are doing is adding to that pressure. Phil, The only pressure and scrutiny SCFc players face in the Championship is the Sentinel. Nobody else in the country is remotely interested. I guess it comes down to individual psyches, but these guys are playing in a cut throat business and as is shown by all football players ( Shawcross being an honourable exception in our case) loyalty to the pay packet outweighs loyalty to the club. If these guys can only play if everything is rosy in the garden then they are in the wrong business. If they cannot see that the disconnect between fan and team is as a direct result of their approach and effort then by all means place the blame on the effect and not the cause.
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Post by greenstokie on Feb 11, 2019 16:15:33 GMT
As I said when he came in, we the fans and the board will need to be patient. We did deserve to get something from Saturday's game. We can all see the massive efforts to change how we've been playing for the past few seasons. It will take time.
Keep the faith.
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Post by Alvechurch Assassin on Feb 11, 2019 16:22:31 GMT
I stopped reading at 'we bossed'.
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Feb 11, 2019 19:21:47 GMT
Fact is, that formation doesn’t work with the players we have. If he keeps playing it, and we keep getting beat, he’s not going to get much support, and he’s not going to get a summer transfer window to sort it out, he’ll be out the door, because that smacked of either naivety or stubborness. 442 diamond needs attacking, pacey fullbacks, don’t have them, don’t play it. Your right to a point, however, professional footballers should be able to adapt SGS
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Feb 11, 2019 19:30:35 GMT
Some of you lot need to get a fucking grip. Today was not a great performance but we deserved at least a point from that. We bossed most of the second half but just could not create much. Lets not forget that the Baggies are fourth in the table and have the best frontline in the division. Yet according to the Oatcake it is the most diabolical performance ever? Of fucking course... Moaning and whinging every time the ball is passed backwards, booing every subpar performance and heaping loads of additional pressure on the players is just making the situation worse. The constant 'poor me' histrionics on here and on social media won't help the atmosphere much either. People keep talk about the club being 'toxic' but the most toxic thing about it right now is a large section of our fanbase. We called for Rowett to go, we called for a young manager who would play attacking football. We got our way and said we would give him time and be patient. Six games is not fucking patient. People writing him off already and comparing us to Sunderland are fucking idiots. I know some of you are very precious and entitled, I am anticipating you will all whine about how much you pay, how long you have supported the team, how much the players are paid and wah wah wah... but none of this is helping our situation. On the contrary, you are actively contributing to our demise. I am just as frustrated as the next person and yes the majority of the players have been relentlessly lame for a good couple of years now. However, if we are going to grind ourselves out of this shithole we need to stop crying so much and stick with the team a bit more. If it is too difficult for you to resist contributing to the constant negativity it is probably in everyone's best interests if you fuck off for a little bit. Absolutely spot on. In the first five minutes of the game yesterday I heard somebody shout out calling Clucas a c**t, 5 MINUTES we have some thick bastards following our team. That would have been the same person who did nothing but call every stoke player a c**t and then at the final whistle also shout to Jones, "You can f**k off as well Jones, you pr**k. You're fu**ing w**k. F**k off back to Luton". Absolutely clueless SGS
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Feb 11, 2019 19:31:56 GMT
Nobody has yet answered the question what do you think booing and jeering achieves. Those of you who think the fans don't play a part please answer. I can understand a lack of atmosphere but the hostility is embarrassing If I were a skillful championship player and I was getting jeered at I would think to myself "right I'll show you lot." Then I would up my work rate, tackle harder, gee up my team mates... in short do my best to shut the booers up and get them cheering for me. No way would I let my head drop and get demoralized, especially if I was on 20 grand a week. Does that go some way to answering your question? The fact some are on that type of money is the exact reason that they dont do what you say you would do in fantasy SGS
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 11, 2019 23:55:47 GMT
I think we need to deal with this 'multi millionnaires' bollocks too. The players are massively, massively overpaid yes. That makes it that much easier to hate them. But ALL footballers are massively overpaid. The owners are even more massively overpaid. Last year, Denise Coates paid herself more than our entire fucking wage bill. It's called fucking capitalism. I don't particularly like it but unless you want some sort of revolution - and most of you clearly don't - stop fucking bitching about players' wages. Secondly, it might be hard to accept this when you have fuck all money (and trust me I know what that feels like) but having millions of pounds will not make you invincible. Millionaires or not they are still human. They still care about what people and fans think about them, they still feel shit when people shout 'you're shit' at them and they still hurt after a loss. Butland is a millionnaire, could easily leave us for a Premier League club, yet he was crying on the pitch when we were relegated. There are some wankers like Jese who genuinely do not give a shit about us, but most of them do. At the very least, they care about their own careers. I have said many times, just like someone on here did above, 'if I had 20,000 a week I wouldn't give a shit what people say about me' or 'if I was a professional footballer I would simply up my game if things were going against me' but that is bollocks. None of us know how to deal with that kind of pressure and scrutiny because none of us have ever or will ever face that situation. All we are doing is adding to that pressure. "Millionaire's or not they are still human." As are the fans Phil, as are the fans. By way of example ... On Saturday, as the players came out of the tunnel, the chap sitting next to me (working class, mid 50's) absolutely belted out, at the top of his voice "We'll Be With You" and then continued into "Delilah" with the same gusto, right to the very end, even though the vast majority of people in his immediate vicinity, sat or stood there in silence. Me? I stood up and gave them a bit of a clap as the players names were read out and then continued my conversation with my lad, I was pretty ambivalent to it all if I'm honest. Match started and then the same guy sitting next to me tried to get "Oh When The Reds" going, stood up chanting loud, gesturing to others to follow his lead ... I didn't join in, as didn't the vast majority sitting around us but HE kept going, for at least a good 15 minutes. I was pretty ambivalent about it all if I'm honest. Now what was clear here, is that this particular individual sitting next to me, had come to the match quite prepared to demonstrate to the players that he was there to support them right from the off, that support (at least initially) was unconditional, he would 'go first' on this particular transaction. It's called passion, he's a passionate football supporter, he goes to the game to BE passionate. But here's the rub, as the half went on, he began to start groaning as yet another back pass to Butland materialised, soon he began to start throwing his arms up as another pass was misplaced and then the verbals began ... "You could at least look like you even actually want to play for us Clucas" and so on and so on. He was thoroughly pissed off by half time and was letting the players know what he thought of their performance, I continued to sit there in silence, being pretty ambivalent to it all. But for him, it was called passion, he's a passionate football supporter, he goes to the game to BE passionate. And most of all, he too, is human. But YOU expect him to be super human, better than the professional athletes he has paid to watch? And whatever you think, he's most certainly not a massive part of the problem either Phil. Far from it.
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Post by senojbor on Feb 11, 2019 23:59:06 GMT
I said NJ was a massive gamble from the off. It isn't working out and the gamble has failed
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Feb 12, 2019 0:08:50 GMT
I said NJ was a massive gamble from the off. It isn't working out and the gamble has failed What an absolutely ridiculous thing to say. Jones has to be given more time to assemble his own squad. Other manager's have failed and he's doing his utmost to improve us. Sadly, this is not going to happen overnight, so patience is needed by supporters. This season has been dire granted.
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 12, 2019 0:15:12 GMT
I said NJ was a massive gamble from the off. It isn't working out and the gamble has failed Lol, what a melon.
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Post by bertjones on Feb 12, 2019 0:15:13 GMT
especially people in Derby!
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Post by senojbor on Feb 12, 2019 1:07:18 GMT
I said NJ was a massive gamble from the off. It isn't working out and the gamble has failed Lol, what a melon. So you think it has paid off then? Okay Pugwash. Don't get much right do you old bean lol
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Post by Absolution on Feb 12, 2019 1:10:34 GMT
I said NJ was a massive gamble from the off. It isn't working out and the gamble has failed Failed? Whoever was appointed would have been a gamble. This particular gamble has barely started.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 2:27:02 GMT
Some of you lot need to get a fucking grip. You need to get a fucking grip.
The fans have not in any way created this shit storm in which we find ourselves.
Managers may have caused it.
Owners may have caused it.
Players may have caused it.
In no way, shape, or form have the fans caused this problem!
Get a fucking really tight grip yourself!
Whoever caused this problem is the one to "get a fucking grip". The fans are in no way responsible. Neither should they be made to be the workhorses that get us out of this shit - not that that is a possibility at all.
We have a bunch of pansies that seem to believe that they are good footballers - presumably because they receive a lot of money. We seem to have a load of "managers" and a CEO - they also think that they are good - presumably because they receive a lot of money.
Fer fucks sake!! The fans are the only ones that are actually PAYING. They are the only ones in this shit storm not getting paid. And you are accusing them of being a problem?
Fuck off.
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 12, 2019 7:02:33 GMT
So you think it has paid off then? Okay Pugwash. Don't get much right do you old bean lol More than you. He's been here 10 minutes you clown. Personally I'd have gone for Moyes but the club saw it differently so you have to give him time. Let him have a preseason and start letting him shape his squad. I will admit though that it hasn't been great so far and he has made some odd decisions but he's obviously experimenting. Calling him out after 6 games is pathetic.
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