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Post by philm87 on Feb 13, 2019 19:09:17 GMT
Paul - I took the time to reply out of respect for your intelligence and the fact that lots of people on here clearly take you seriously, but I don't have time to go tit-for-tat on every single sentence, especially when I have ignored pretty much everyone else who has replied to the original post.
I'm sure you get the gist what I am saying, and I get the gist of what you are saying and we will just have to disagree.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 13, 2019 19:26:13 GMT
A post match blast on a messageboard away from the ground isn't exactly stabbing him in the back and hounding him out of the club now is it? It's a topic for discussion. Some agreed, some didn't. It's certainly no more toxic a response than his about lumping it up to two big lads but these are tense times. Things get said. At the ground he gets full support even if the players are testing fans patience to the limit at the minute I don't think he's wank for what it's worth but I thought by sheer weight of personality and enthusiasm he'd have gotten more out of them by now. I'm as sick of hearing "this is a good bunch of players' as anyone but they should be doing better than they are. The whole club is massively underperfoming. I ask you again look at the stats I posted above and tell me, what is it about fan reaction that erks you. What is it they should be doing that they're not? You don't think he's wank but you thought it worth creating an entirely new thread calling him wank in the title? As I suggested in the original post, what I think people should do if they are unable to contain themselves during these tense times is just shut up for a little bit. Typical snidey arsed response from an apologist for any old jizz. Now read the thread again and my contribution to the 'are you behind him' thread and take a broader view. I see no answer yet to what it is fans should be doing in the face of three goals in eight, one win in eight and failing to score in six of the 8. Is it too hard a question for you?
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Post by philm87 on Feb 13, 2019 19:33:13 GMT
You don't think he's wank but you thought it worth creating an entirely new thread calling him wank in the title? As I suggested in the original post, what I think people should do if they are unable to contain themselves during these tense times is just shut up for a little bit. Typical snidey arsed response from an apologist for any old jizz. Now read the thread again and my contribution to the 'are you behind him' thread and take a broader view. I see no answer yet to what it is fans should be doing in the face of three goals in eight, one win in eight and failing to score in six of the 8. Is it too hard a question for you? I already answered that in the first line of the original post. Get a grip.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 13, 2019 19:35:39 GMT
Typical snidey arsed response from an apologist for any old jizz. Now read the thread again and my contribution to the 'are you behind him' thread and take a broader view. I see no answer yet to what it is fans should be doing in the face of three goals in eight, one win in eight and failing to score in six of the 8. Is it too hard a question for you? I already answered that in the first line of the original post. Get a grip. No you didn't you slagged off fans in the first line of the original post! What are you saying? That goals are not important!
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Post by owdestokie2 on Feb 13, 2019 19:41:51 GMT
I already answered that in the first line of the original post. Get a grip. Are you saying goals are not important! Just come home from the pub and talking to supporter of long standing (from the 60’s) and a season ticket holder. When asked if he’s watching it on red spot tonight he shrugged his shoulders and said “can’t be arsed”. Make no bones about it we are in shit Street from a supporters point of view. No anger, no frustration, no apathy....Can’t be arsed and I think that may be a widely held thought
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Post by jewsbury on Feb 13, 2019 20:43:23 GMT
Some of you lot need to get a fucking grip. Today was not a great performance but we deserved at least a point from that. We bossed most of the second half but just could not create much. Lets not forget that the Baggies are fourth in the table and have the best frontline in the division. Yet according to the Oatcake it is the most diabolical performance ever? Of fucking course... Moaning and whinging every time the ball is passed backwards, booing every subpar performance and heaping loads of additional pressure on the players is just making the situation worse. The constant 'poor me' histrionics on here and on social media won't help the atmosphere much either. People keep talk about the club being 'toxic' but the most toxic thing about it right now is a large section of our fanbase. We called for Rowett to go, we called for a young manager who would play attacking football. We got our way and said we would give him time and be patient. Six games is not fucking patient. People writing him off already and comparing us to Sunderland are fucking idiots. I know some of you are very precious and entitled, I am anticipating you will all whine about how much you pay, how long you have supported the team, how much the players are paid and wah wah wah... but none of this is helping our situation. On the contrary, you are actively contributing to our demise. I am just as frustrated as the next person and yes the majority of the players have been relentlessly lame for a good couple of years now. However, if we are going to grind ourselves out of this shithole we need to stop crying so much and stick with the team a bit more. If it is too difficult for you to resist contributing to the constant negativity it is probably in everyone's best interests if you fuck off for a little bit. Couldn’t agree more. The team is clearly short of confidence so they need encouragement, not booing and outrage when things aren’t going as planned
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Post by stokeoptimist on Feb 13, 2019 20:57:47 GMT
One thing now is perfectly clear and that is changing the manager wouldn't make a blind bit of difference. We need a longer period of stability to get a positive change therefore you have no choice but to get behind them.
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Post by thehoof on Feb 13, 2019 21:06:08 GMT
Some of you lot need to get a fucking grip. Today was not a great performance but we deserved at least a point from that. We bossed most of the second half but just could not create much. Lets not forget that the Baggies are fourth in the table and have the best frontline in the division. Yet according to the Oatcake it is the most diabolical performance ever? Of fucking course... Moaning and whinging every time the ball is passed backwards, booing every subpar performance and heaping loads of additional pressure on the players is just making the situation worse. The constant 'poor me' histrionics on here and on social media won't help the atmosphere much either. People keep talk about the club being 'toxic' but the most toxic thing about it right now is a large section of our fanbase. We called for Rowett to go, we called for a young manager who would play attacking football. We got our way and said we would give him time and be patient. Six games is not fucking patient. People writing him off already and comparing us to Sunderland are fucking idiots. I know some of you are very precious and entitled, I am anticipating you will all whine about how much you pay, how long you have supported the team, how much the players are paid and wah wah wah... but none of this is helping our situation. On the contrary, you are actively contributing to our demise. I am just as frustrated as the next person and yes the majority of the players have been relentlessly lame for a good couple of years now. However, if we are going to grind ourselves out of this shithole we need to stop crying so much and stick with the team a bit more. If it is too difficult for you to resist contributing to the constant negativity it is probably in everyone's best interests if you fuck off for a little bit. Couldn’t agree more. The team is clearly short of confidence so they need encouragement, not booing and outrage when things aren’t going as planned They are getting plenty of encouragement at the moment. Not sure that it’s making our lot play with intent, we still look very slow and dysfunctional.
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Post by hooftastic on Feb 13, 2019 21:10:51 GMT
This thread is a disgrace.
Fans have had to stomach a horrendous 3 years and apparently we're part of the problem, shouldn't voice any frustration and should all shut up?
I'd say fans that are fine with the way the club has been run, the squad has been playing and don't think it wise or prudent to voice any concerns are a much bigger problem (as well as maybe having something clinically wrong with them).
Blaming fans/atmosphere for shit performances is a cowards game.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Feb 13, 2019 21:13:52 GMT
This thread is a disgrace. Fans have had to stomach a horrendous 3 years and apparently we're part of the problem, shouldn't voice any frustration and should all shut up? I'd say fans that are fine with the way the club has been run, the squad has been playing and don't think it wise or prudent to voice any concerns are a much bigger problem (as well as maybe having something clinically wrong with them). Blaming fans/atmosphere for shit performances is a cowards game. I would have used the term misguided”. As a paying customer I have every right to question the management of club who asking asking me to renew my season ticket.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 21:14:29 GMT
This thread is a disgrace. Fans have had to stomach a horrendous 3 years and apparently we're part of the problem, shouldn't voice any frustration and should all shut up? I'd say fans that are fine with the way the club has been run, the squad has been playing and don't think it wise or prudent to voice any concerns are a much bigger problem (as well as maybe having something clinically wrong with them). Blaming fans/atmosphere for shit performances is a cowards game. It’s one of the biggest piles of shit I’ve ever read on here. That’s a bold claim, I know.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 21:51:23 GMT
So that was all our fault...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 21:52:50 GMT
Fans superb tonight. Really got behind them
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Post by thevoid on Feb 14, 2019 0:45:50 GMT
I just gathered the impression that you felt sorry for yourself from the repeated references to your feelings of 'ambivalence'. My mistake. But the fact you appear to take offence to this so easily is again part of the problem. I think all that time in the Prem has perhaps made us arrogant, over-entitled and a little bit precious? I am not directing that at you personally by the way, just a wider point about how many of us have become. We have much better support at away games for sure, but it is not as if the players and staff will completely forget the atmosphere at our home games as soon as the whistle goes. I am not treating each game and each performance in isolation, but looking at the wider picture. The stench of negativity will follow us and them everywhere, on and off the pitch. Just listen to the latest press conference and the questions being asked. And I am definitely not saying 'its all the fans fault' or anything like that, just pointing out that we have now become a significant part of the problem. People can say they are only booing negative back passes. That is bollocks though. Woods got booed for a perfectly legitimate pass back when under pressure. I was trying to comment on something much wider than booing back passes though. It is not just how we are at games, but how we have become in general. Like the endless attention seeking threads on here with people declaring how 'everything is wank' or comparing us to Sunderland and whatever, the similar shit on social media and how all of this will be infiltrating the club. The squad do not exist in a bubble and we will be drip feeding them with our toxicity. I didn't say you or anyone else was a shit supporter. I said the behaviour that your described is an example of shit support. Important difference. I am saying you are being a mardarse though Me disagreeing with somebody on a public message board who I think is talking rubbish, is "part of the problem", jeez, really? Listen to yourself. Man alive talk about an over reaction, there's a few jeers and boos from individuals in a football crowd. Were you going before we got into the Prem? It was exactly the same then. I think you're the one who is being "a little bit precious" here. Ha ha, so the now home support is the reason for the poor away performances too ... Indeed Phil, indeed! Hmmm ... you said: "Sitting there feeling sorry for yourself and being 'ambivalent' is also shit support."Sorry but telling somebody that their support is shit, whilst at the same time trying to claim that that person isn't a shit supporter doesn't stack up for me Phil. But you're the one moaning your sack off about other people moaning though. It really grates my gears when people start slagging off supporters when things go wrong, it's happened lots of times over the years. Stoke supporters aren't arrogant and over-entitled, we've spent years knowing what it's like to be shit and we don't ask for much, just a bit of effort and passion and not much more will usually suffice. Block 22 was proclaiming the other day that Stoke fans are just about as bad as you can get. I despise this sort of talk. It's not even that bad at the moment. There's no organised chanting or mass booing, maybe a collective groan every now and then or individual rants from the stands. Maybe you get a handful of idiots phoning up Radio Stoke and having a rant or people going over the top on here but really, it's hardly anything to warrant an attack on the fan base at large, suggesting we are a massive part of the problem. I've never booed a player in my life, although Sam Clucas might change that pretty soon (that's a joke by the way), I just don't see the point in it but I understand why other people might feel the need to do so. That's not to say that in the past I haven't (usually at away games) told somebody to pipe down, if they're going over the top abusing a player but I really do think that the claim that we are collectively a massive part of the problem, is inaccurate and a huge over reaction. Post of the year so far.
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Post by thevoid on Feb 14, 2019 0:53:11 GMT
I'd like to see a club whose supporters wouldn't be a bit tetchy if they've endured the three years of utter shite and unarrested decline that we've been through.
Leicester fans were booing Puel not long after he'd led them to wins over City and Chelsea. Now that's fickle.
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Post by starkiller on Feb 14, 2019 5:49:46 GMT
The club needs to give supporters something positive.
Remove Cartwright immediately.
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Post by ceejays on Feb 14, 2019 6:22:51 GMT
Change management takes time. Along the way you get those who are always negative. The answer is the equivalent of well sod off up the vale . This board and social media in general drains the life out of you. Personally I thank the lord Bayern is no longer on the board. A few others should be given the red card too. Thought we played really well tonight. Lots of room for improvement still but the first signs of a recovery. There will still be ups and downs and there’s no quick fix but at least you can see progress.
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Post by philm87 on Feb 14, 2019 17:36:42 GMT
Visits thread Sees who created thread Leaves thread Correction: Visits thread Gets triggered Posts comment and gets ignored Leave thread The comes back and post again And again And again And again
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Post by philm87 on Feb 14, 2019 17:40:06 GMT
This thread is a disgrace. Fans have had to stomach a horrendous 3 years and apparently we're part of the problem, shouldn't voice any frustration and should all shut up? I'd say fans that are fine with the way the club has been run, the squad has been playing and don't think it wise or prudent to voice any concerns are a much bigger problem (as well as maybe having something clinically wrong with them). Blaming fans/atmosphere for shit performances is a cowards game. It’s one of the biggest piles of shit I’ve ever read on here. That’s a bold claim, I know. 80 likes sort of suggests that whatever I was trying to say it presumably resonated with a few people, pile of shit or not.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 17:45:49 GMT
This thread is a disgrace. Fans have had to stomach a horrendous 3 years and apparently we're part of the problem, shouldn't voice any frustration and should all shut up? I'd say fans that are fine with the way the club has been run, the squad has been playing and don't think it wise or prudent to voice any concerns are a much bigger problem (as well as maybe having something clinically wrong with them). Blaming fans/atmosphere for shit performances is a cowards game. I couldn't agree with you more.
I can't ever remember a thread on here before that contained so much crap, nonsense and just sheer bollocks. Well done philm87
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 14, 2019 17:48:50 GMT
It’s one of the biggest piles of shit I’ve ever read on here. That’s a bold claim, I know. 80 likes sort of suggests that whatever I was trying to say it presumably resonated with a few people, pile of shit or not. I think your post makes quite a bit of sense to be fair. But the problem here is that fans are lashing out wherever they can in an attempt to make some sort of sense of our dreadful situation. The reality is for the time being the anger needs to be directed elsewhere other than the manager and the players. It needs to go upstairs because it's the transfer team that are the common denominator. Managers and players are coming and going so it's unfair to pin everything on them. The transfer team however have no where to hide, because they have presided over the whole debacle. Yet somehow nothing really gets said. Its bizarre. Twighlight zone kind of stuff.
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Post by thevoid on Feb 14, 2019 17:58:33 GMT
Visits thread Sees who created thread Leaves thread Correction: Visits thread Gets triggered Posts comment and gets ignored Leave thread The comes back and post again And again And again And again Triggered 🤣
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 20:00:09 GMT
It’s one of the biggest piles of shit I’ve ever read on here. That’s a bold claim, I know. 80 likes sort of suggests that whatever I was trying to say it presumably resonated with a few people, pile of shit or not. Look, everyone’s got their opinion and I respect that. But if you were to list 20 reasons why we’re in the state that we’re in, ‘the fans’ come in at number 20. There are many reasons as to why we find ourselves here, I think the fans have been pretty patient.
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Post by starkiller on Feb 16, 2019 17:17:11 GMT
Shitbin.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Feb 16, 2019 17:21:06 GMT
brilliant support, full respect to the away following.
The OP is clueless
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Feb 16, 2019 17:24:32 GMT
Whoever believes this is a genuine, certified dribble.
Complete shit yet again and still a good turnout for that same shit to be turned out.
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