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Post by metalhead on Jan 16, 2019 12:28:40 GMT
Well at least this one can be put to bed for good. He is complete toss - CONFIRMED Is he ? I thought he did okay. Replace his name with Tymon though... different kettle of fish. That guy is a footballer by a very loose definition.
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Post by metalhead on Jan 16, 2019 12:29:27 GMT
He was completely fucked second half. He’s gone from not playing since the start of season to being asked to play a role that demands him bombing up and down the pitch all match. The fact he was fucked is a good thing. Like I said in the devils advocate thread, it was the equivalent of a pre-season friendly for NJ. He will have seen those that need extra fitness work and he is one of them.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jan 16, 2019 12:31:21 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-city-transfer-news-cartwright-1569418Supporters of Cartwright will also say the number of transfers he personally would hang his hat on in terms of claiming responsibility can be counted on the fingers of one hand during his five-and-a-half years at Stoke City. They include Ramadan, the kind of young chancer all managers agree to with no strings attached, and January signings Moritz Bauer and Badou Ndiaye, because the club was without a manager for several weeks and reinforcements were patently required. That's about £24 million down the plughole there.
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Post by SCFC92 on Jan 16, 2019 12:31:51 GMT
So a player who has been sent to train with the U23's for the entire season until the arse end of last week is now being berated because his performance was below par (I felt he showed excellent signs myself) in his first game since the start of the season? If Bojan played shite would he get the same reaction?
Much like NJ he needs some time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 12:35:52 GMT
So a player who has been sent to train with the U23's for the entire season until the arse end of last week is now being berated because his performance was below par (I felt he showed excellent signs myself) in his first game since the start of the season? If Bojan played shite would he get the same reaction? Much like NJ he needs some time. Unfortunately Bojan would. There’s a lot of people just waiting for him to fail at the first hurdle. What on Earth have we become!
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Post by stokeykez on Jan 16, 2019 12:38:35 GMT
No excuse for bauer, defensive duties arenot his strong point. Fitness wise I thought hed been doing extra and showing everyone on his posts. Tymon is young, needed chaperoning at times last night but wed better get off the back of young inexperienced players as thats what NJ will be going with to rebuild this shit shower
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 12:43:00 GMT
No excuse for bauer, defensive duties arenot his strong point. Fitness wise I thought hed been doing extra and showing everyone on his posts. Tymon is young, needed chaperoning at times last night but wed better get off the back of young inexperienced players as thats what NJ will be going with to rebuild this shit shower For god's sake it was one post of him in an ice bath with a work hard quote behind him. There are much worse offenders on instagram who seem to spent more time posting than training, new shoes, time in the gym, that stupid 10 year bloody challenge yesterday.
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Post by Veritas on Jan 16, 2019 12:52:22 GMT
So a player who has been sent to train with the U23's for the entire season until the arse end of last week is now being berated because his performance was below par (I felt he showed excellent signs myself) in his first game since the start of the season? If Bojan played shite would he get the same reaction? Much like NJ he needs some time. Bauer started well enough but when fatigue appeared to set in he stopped getting forward and his positioning went to pot. Very disappointing in the last half hour but weren't they all and would be foolish to dismiss last years impressive performances on this one game.
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Post by SCFC92 on Jan 16, 2019 12:58:16 GMT
So a player who has been sent to train with the U23's for the entire season until the arse end of last week is now being berated because his performance was below par (I felt he showed excellent signs myself) in his first game since the start of the season? If Bojan played shite would he get the same reaction? Much like NJ he needs some time. Bauer started well enough but when fatigue appeared to set in he stopped getting forward and his positioning went to pot. Very disappointing in the last half hour but weren't they all and would be foolish to dismiss last years impressive performances on this one game. I think on top of the positioning being an issue our CB's seemed to lose the plot of how to defend and judge their own positions. A few times Bauer and Adam were spotted by those around me asking where the f*ck Williams and Indi were. Defences are built as a unit, we are going to employ bombing full backs which requires our CB's to excel in positional judgement alongside our right and left diamond midfielders. Without this happening, the diamond simply cannot work. After 65 minutes yesterday we had Adam blowing out of his arse, our midfielders were nowhere and our CB's were, as per usual, a fucking abomination. So when Bauer finds himself also fatigued it becomes harder to get back to cover the mistakes of others. Not excusing his input in the catastrophic defeat, he is to blame also, but I think some slack is required.
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Post by madeleystokie on Jan 16, 2019 13:16:18 GMT
Give him a run of games and I'm sure he'll be fine. There's a lot of cobwebs to blow away right now.
Besides - Wolves are supposedly only after him on loan? Why bother with loaning players out all the time? Just get rid permanently!
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jan 16, 2019 13:31:35 GMT
Just been sent a link to this thread. It’s amazing how someone can be viewed so differently and by so many but that’s football I guess.
For me, I didn’t get the hype last season and thought he was hugely overrated.
Last night he neither defended well or attacked well. He was just....Bauer. Weak in the challenge, mostly out of position and poor offensively.
I don’t rate him at all and can’t see what he did to be so revered but I suppose we were desperate for someone, anyone to cling onto at that point.
<<waves to anyone who isn’t on Twitter that I used to speak to on here>>
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 16, 2019 13:40:54 GMT
Just been sent a link to this thread. It’s amazing how someone can be viewed so differently and by so many but that’s football I guess. For me, I didn’t get the hype last season and thought he was hugely overrated. Last night he neither defended well or attacked well. He was just....Bauer. Weak in the challenge, mostly out of position and poor offensively. I don’t rate him at all and can’t see what he did to be so revered but I suppose we were desperate for someone, anyone to cling onto at that point. <<waves to anyone who isn’t on Twitter that I used to speak to on here>> Sadly, I think that's pretty accurate. I don't think he's the answer. These quotes from his manager at Kazan, which have been posted on here a few times, are pretty revealing. And then you remember that Lambert preferred Glen Johnson at RB, and only trusted him out of the way at left-wing. I did get a bit carried away by his debut at Old Trafford under Niedzwiecki, and I think we all did for a bit when we saw a full-back with pace who liked to roam forward. Quite why a combo of Scholes and Carto felt qualified to wave through a 5-yr deal on Premier League money is anyone's guess. russianfootballnews.com/an-interview-with-kurban-berdyev-part-two-moritz-bauer-is-very-professional-but-hes-got-huge-shortcomings/ Looking from the outside, Moritz Bauer looks like the most professional player. Is that true? (The interview was conducted a few days before several players mentioned below left the club.)
Yes, he’s very professional. But football-wise, he’s got some huge shortcomings.
There was a time when I finally lost my patience with him.
I asked him, before everyone’s eyes:
“Moritz, the ball is here, here’s the situation, where should you be?” “Here.” “Are you sure?” “I am sure.”
Then I play the video, and he’s standing in a totally different place, and we get a goal from his zone.
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Post by jarvinski on Jan 16, 2019 13:45:30 GMT
Charlie was the best player by a million miles, I suppose you want him out,
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jan 16, 2019 13:45:35 GMT
Just been sent a link to this thread. It’s amazing how someone can be viewed so differently and by so many but that’s football I guess. For me, I didn’t get the hype last season and thought he was hugely overrated. Last night he neither defended well or attacked well. He was just....Bauer. Weak in the challenge, mostly out of position and poor offensively. I don’t rate him at all and can’t see what he did to be so revered but I suppose we were desperate for someone, anyone to cling onto at that point. <<waves to anyone who isn’t on Twitter that I used to speak to on here>> Sadly, I think that's pretty accurate. I don't think he's the answer. These quotes from his manager at Kazan, which have been posted on here a few times, are pretty revealing. And then you remember that Lambert preferred Glen Johnson at RB, and only trusted him out of the way at left-wing. I did get a bit carried away by his debut at Old Trafford under Niedzwiecki, and I think we all did for a bit when we saw a full-back with pace who liked to roam forward. Quite why a combo of Scholes and Carto felt qualified to wave through a 5-yr deal on Premier League money is anyone's guess. russianfootballnews.com/an-interview-with-kurban-berdyev-part-two-moritz-bauer-is-very-professional-but-hes-got-huge-shortcomings/ Looking from the outside, Moritz Bauer looks like the most professional player. Is that true? (The interview was conducted a few days before several players mentioned below left the club.)
Yes, he’s very professional. But football-wise, he’s got some huge shortcomings.
There was a time when I finally lost my patience with him.
I asked him, before everyone’s eyes:
“Moritz, the ball is here, here’s the situation, where should you be?” “Here.” “Are you sure?” “I am sure.”
Then I play the video, and he’s standing in a totally different place, and we get a goal from his zone.
Maybe he should be used on the right of midfield instead.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jan 16, 2019 13:50:13 GMT
Sadly, I think that's pretty accurate. I don't think he's the answer. These quotes from his manager at Kazan, which have been posted on here a few times, are pretty revealing. And then you remember that Lambert preferred Glen Johnson at RB, and only trusted him out of the way at left-wing. I did get a bit carried away by his debut at Old Trafford under Niedzwiecki, and I think we all did for a bit when we saw a full-back with pace who liked to roam forward. Quite why a combo of Scholes and Carto felt qualified to wave through a 5-yr deal on Premier League money is anyone's guess. russianfootballnews.com/an-interview-with-kurban-berdyev-part-two-moritz-bauer-is-very-professional-but-hes-got-huge-shortcomings/ Looking from the outside, Moritz Bauer looks like the most professional player. Is that true? (The interview was conducted a few days before several players mentioned below left the club.)
Yes, he’s very professional. But football-wise, he’s got some huge shortcomings.
There was a time when I finally lost my patience with him.
I asked him, before everyone’s eyes:
“Moritz, the ball is here, here’s the situation, where should you be?” “Here.” “Are you sure?” “I am sure.”
Then I play the video, and he’s standing in a totally different place, and we get a goal from his zone.
Maybe he should be used on the right of midfield instead. Well he can’t cross or beat a man so why not? He’ll fit in just swell in our XI. 🙈
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 16, 2019 13:55:33 GMT
Sadly, I think that's pretty accurate. I don't think he's the answer. These quotes from his manager at Kazan, which have been posted on here a few times, are pretty revealing. And then you remember that Lambert preferred Glen Johnson at RB, and only trusted him out of the way at left-wing. I did get a bit carried away by his debut at Old Trafford under Niedzwiecki, and I think we all did for a bit when we saw a full-back with pace who liked to roam forward. Quite why a combo of Scholes and Carto felt qualified to wave through a 5-yr deal on Premier League money is anyone's guess. russianfootballnews.com/an-interview-with-kurban-berdyev-part-two-moritz-bauer-is-very-professional-but-hes-got-huge-shortcomings/ Looking from the outside, Moritz Bauer looks like the most professional player. Is that true? (The interview was conducted a few days before several players mentioned below left the club.)
Yes, he’s very professional. But football-wise, he’s got some huge shortcomings.
There was a time when I finally lost my patience with him.
I asked him, before everyone’s eyes:
“Moritz, the ball is here, here’s the situation, where should you be?” “Here.” “Are you sure?” “I am sure.”
Then I play the video, and he’s standing in a totally different place, and we get a goal from his zone.
Maybe he should be used on the right of midfield instead. That role doesn't exist in a Jones XI though, does it? He's probably going to prove to be yet another expensive problem.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jan 16, 2019 13:55:38 GMT
Maybe he should be used on the right of midfield instead. Well he can’t cross or beat a man so why not? He’ll fit in just swell in our XI. 🙈 I'm talking about the right of the diamond, he'd add energy and pace, ideal for Jones pressing game.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jan 16, 2019 13:56:22 GMT
Well he can’t cross or beat a man so why not? He’ll fit in just swell in our XI. 🙈 I'm talking about the right of the diamond, he'd add energy and pace, ideal for Jones pressing game. Not for me, mate. I think he’s wank.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 16, 2019 18:20:18 GMT
Just been sent a link to this thread. It’s amazing how someone can be viewed so differently and by so many but that’s football I guess. For me, I didn’t get the hype last season and thought he was hugely overrated. Last night he neither defended well or attacked well. He was just....Bauer. Weak in the challenge, mostly out of position and poor offensively. I don’t rate him at all and can’t see what he did to be so revered but I suppose we were desperate for someone, anyone to cling onto at that point. <<waves to anyone who isn’t on Twitter that I used to speak to on here>> Sadly, I think that's pretty accurate. I don't think he's the answer. These quotes from his manager at Kazan, which have been posted on here a few times, are pretty revealing. And then you remember that Lambert preferred Glen Johnson at RB, and only trusted him out of the way at left-wing. I did get a bit carried away by his debut at Old Trafford under Niedzwiecki, and I think we all did for a bit when we saw a full-back with pace who liked to roam forward. Quite why a combo of Scholes and Carto felt qualified to wave through a 5-yr deal on Premier League money is anyone's guess. russianfootballnews.com/an-interview-with-kurban-berdyev-part-two-moritz-bauer-is-very-professional-but-hes-got-huge-shortcomings/ Looking from the outside, Moritz Bauer looks like the most professional player. Is that true? (The interview was conducted a few days before several players mentioned below left the club.)
Yes, he’s very professional. But football-wise, he’s got some huge shortcomings.
There was a time when I finally lost my patience with him.
I asked him, before everyone’s eyes:
“Moritz, the ball is here, here’s the situation, where should you be?” “Here.” “Are you sure?” “I am sure.”
Then I play the video, and he’s standing in a totally different place, and we get a goal from his zone.
Yes - but he's got lovely hair,
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Post by toppercorner on Jan 16, 2019 18:31:50 GMT
i couldn't go last night, so i listened on the radio
it sounded like Bauer and Tymon both acquitted themselves ok, and for me, despite the horrendous scoreline, it's encouraging that the manager is at east trying players with a bit of pace.
i come on here, and then it's all "he was shite" "fuck him off" "wank" etc ...
do i panic and get caught up in it? or do i relax and remember that a lot of fans (or vale fans) on here, also thought that shaqiri, was shit, arnie was shit, nzonzi was shit, and that these so called fans actually know fuck all.
i'll go for the latter. It amazes me some 'fans' can't recognise what is in front of them, and unless they play in the spirit of Justin Whittle then they should just be 'fucked off'
they wouldn't know a decent footballer if he came up and smacked the ball in their face
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Post by Veritas on Jan 16, 2019 18:37:39 GMT
i couldn't go last night, so i listened on the radio it sounded like Bauer and Tymon both acquitted themselves ok, and for me, despite the horrendous scoreline, it's encouraging that the manager is at east trying players with a bit of pace. i come on here, and then it's all "he was shite" "fuck him off" "wank" etc ... do i panic and get caught up in it? or do i relax and remember that a lot of fans (or vale fans) on here, also thought that shaqiri, was shit, arnie was shit, nzonzi was shit, and that these so called fans actually know fuck all. i'll go for the latter. It amazes me some 'fans' can't recognise what is in front of them, and unless they play in the spirit of Justin Whittle then they should just be 'fucked off' they wouldn't know a decent footballer if he came up and smacked the ball in their face Bauer was ok for 45 mins, Tymon was dreadful all game
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jan 16, 2019 18:41:36 GMT
i couldn't go last night, so i listened on the radio it sounded like Bauer and Tymon both acquitted themselves ok, and for me, despite the horrendous scoreline, it's encouraging that the manager is at east trying players with a bit of pace. i come on here, and then it's all "he was shite" "fuck him off" "wank" etc ... do i panic and get caught up in it? or do i relax and remember that a lot of fans (or vale fans) on here, also thought that shaqiri, was shit, arnie was shit, nzonzi was shit, and that these so called fans actually know fuck all. i'll go for the latter. It amazes me some 'fans' can't recognise what is in front of them, and unless they play in the spirit of Justin Whittle then they should just be 'fucked off' they wouldn't know a decent footballer if he came up and smacked the ball in their face Fair enough but please don’t tarnish the memory of those really good players by even mentioning him in the same paragraph. They were all excellent players. Bauer on the other hand is a full back who can’t tackle, is always out of position and can’t cross particularly well either. Whatever it sounded like on the radio has definitely not painted a fair picture. Tymon was ok at first but defensively out of his depth especially when they started to have a go at us. Bauer did nothing, was weak in the challenge and offered nothing offensively. He wasn’t alone in being God damn awful mind. Only Charlie (first half) and Tyrese were any good. The rest were a disgrace to the shirt (again).
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Post by pmjh on Jan 16, 2019 18:44:08 GMT
So a player who has been sent to train with the U23's for the entire season until the arse end of last week is now being berated because his performance was below par (I felt he showed excellent signs myself) in his first game since the start of the season? If Bojan played shite would he get the same reaction? Much like NJ he needs some time. Unfortunately Bojan would. There’s a lot of people just waiting for him to fail at the first hurdle. What on Earth have we become! I don't think anybody wants Bojan to fail. I just don't think he's likely to succeed. In fact I'd love him to prove me wrong. I just can't see it happening.
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Post by march4 on Jan 16, 2019 18:45:51 GMT
I thought Bauer’s performance was better than anything Martina has produced.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 18:56:38 GMT
Unfortunately Bojan would. There’s a lot of people just waiting for him to fail at the first hurdle. What on Earth have we become! I don't think anybody wants Bojan to fail. I just don't think he's likely to succeed. In fact I'd love him to prove me wrong. I just can't see it happening. Hope so. I just feel like people with too quick to judge like they have on this thread.
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 16, 2019 19:30:20 GMT
i couldn't go last night, so i listened on the radio it sounded like Bauer and Tymon both acquitted themselves ok, and for me, despite the horrendous scoreline, it's encouraging that the manager is at east trying players with a bit of pace. i come on here, and then it's all "he was shite" "fuck him off" "wank" etc ... do i panic and get caught up in it? or do i relax and remember that a lot of fans (or vale fans) on here, also thought that shaqiri, was shit, arnie was shit, nzonzi was shit, and that these so called fans actually know fuck all. i'll go for the latter. It amazes me some 'fans' can't recognise what is in front of them, and unless they play in the spirit of Justin Whittle then they should just be 'fucked off' they wouldn't know a decent footballer if he came up and smacked the ball in their face So you’ didn’t see the game but you are saying someone who actually did wouldn’t know a decent footballer when they saw them!.... next time I’ll just listen to the radio and tell everyone what they should and shouldn’t have seen!!!
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Post by roylandstoke on Jan 16, 2019 19:32:57 GMT
I thought Bauer’s performance was better than anything Martina has produced. You really know how to damn someone with faint praise.
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Post by toppercorner on Jan 16, 2019 19:38:26 GMT
i couldn't go last night, so i listened on the radio it sounded like Bauer and Tymon both acquitted themselves ok, and for me, despite the horrendous scoreline, it's encouraging that the manager is at east trying players with a bit of pace. i come on here, and then it's all "he was shite" "fuck him off" "wank" etc ... do i panic and get caught up in it? or do i relax and remember that a lot of fans (or vale fans) on here, also thought that shaqiri, was shit, arnie was shit, nzonzi was shit, and that these so called fans actually know fuck all. i'll go for the latter. It amazes me some 'fans' can't recognise what is in front of them, and unless they play in the spirit of Justin Whittle then they should just be 'fucked off' they wouldn't know a decent footballer if he came up and smacked the ball in their face So you’ didn’t see the game but you are saying someone who actually did wouldn’t know a decent footballer when they saw them!.... next time I’ll just listen to the radio and tell everyone what they should and shouldn’t have seen!!! yeah a lot of stoke fans are clueless to intelligent footballers, and won't be happy unless they 'get a foot in' or run 12 miles per game. the comments about shaq, arnie and nzonzi still stand. personally, i'm also a believer that those who sit closer to the pitch have less of an idea as to how the game is being played than those who sit further back. They might get to see blood, sweat and tears, but they can't see the bigger picture in passing, movement and which players are actually using their brain.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jan 16, 2019 19:41:22 GMT
So you’ didn’t see the game but you are saying someone who actually did wouldn’t know a decent footballer when they saw them!.... next time I’ll just listen to the radio and tell everyone what they should and shouldn’t have seen!!! yeah a lot of stoke fans are clueless to intelligent footballers, and won't be happy unless they 'get a foot in' or run 12 miles per game. the comments about shaq, arnie and nzonzi still stand. personally, i'm also a believer that those who sit closer to the pitch have less of an idea as to how the game is being played than those who sit further back. They might get to see blood, sweat and tears, but they can't see the bigger picture in passing, movement and which players are actually using their brain. What about those like me who worshipped the talented players we’ve had in recent years such as Ric, Zonz Arnie, Bojan and Shaq but still think a defender who can’t tackle isn’t very good?
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Post by strettonstokie on Jan 16, 2019 19:41:41 GMT
I can't see where he was at fault for the goals really. First one tymon was in cloud cuckoo land, second clucas should be utterly disgusted with himself and the third it was quite clear that Williams had lost his man and moritz had two to mark. I think for his first proper game in ages he did very well but should of been subbed off at 65mins likewise with Charlie who played extremely well
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