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Post by Trouserdog on Jan 1, 2019 20:07:09 GMT
I hate to say it, but promotion is a pipe dream this season. There's virtually no chance now.
Our best bet is to sack Rowett immediately, appoint one of the backroom staff as caretaker (Rory would be a good choice if only to get the fans onside) and, without panicking, try to get the man who'll oversee what will be one final huge push for promotion in 19/20 before the parachute payments all but dry up. This might be quick, it might not, but if we can get in a good manager before the end of the season, he'll at least have some time to assess the squad and work out what signings we'll need for next year.
Of the current squad, I think we have to accept that Butland won't be here beyond the end of the season. I'd be willing to sell him now if we can get a better fee than we would in the summer. Allen's another who we should get a decent fee for and who you suspect will want to get back into the top flight if he can. It might be better to cash in now and put the money to one side.
In the meantime, I think we just need to get through the rest of this campaign with a good idea about what the gameplan for 19/20 will be. The longer we can give a new man to work with the current bunch the better.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 1, 2019 20:09:01 GMT
1. Locate axe.
2. Deploy axe.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Jan 1, 2019 20:10:31 GMT
I hate to say it, but promotion is a pipe dream this season. There's virtually no chance now. Our best bet is to sack Rowett immediately, appoint one of the backroom staff as caretaker (Rory would be a good choice if only to get the fans onside) and, without panicking, try to get the man who'll oversee what will be one final huge push for promotion in 19/20 before the parachute payments all but dry up. This might be quick, it might not, but if we can get in a good manager before the end of the season, he'll at least have some time to assess the squad and work out what signings we'll need for next year. Of the current squad, I think we have to accept that Butland won't be here beyond the end of the season. I'd be willing to sell him now if we can get a better fee than we would in the summer. Allen's another who we should get a decent fee for and who you suspect will want to get back into the top flight if he can. It might be better to cash in now and put the money to one side. In the meantime, I think we just need to get through the rest of this campaign with a good idea about what the gameplan for 19/20 will be. The longer we can give a new man to work with the current bunch the better. To be honest I think I would sell Allen this window if we can. We are over stocked in that position if we can ditch the 433 and I cant see his stock getting any higher in this side. It would also mean we'd see the end of his terrible corners. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2019 20:11:24 GMT
Any news on the Mamba Trousers?
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Post by sheds1862 on Jan 1, 2019 20:11:25 GMT
Not convinced Allen would go.
Wales select players from all divisions so he's assured of a place.
His stock is falling along with most of the squad.
Wolves must be laughing their cock off too over Afobe,2 million profit and now we are lumbered.
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Post by wuzza on Jan 1, 2019 20:13:13 GMT
In all seriousness the initial plan must surely be not to get dragged into a relegation situation.
Nothing much will happen in January then the few players worth having will leave in the summer.
This spiral has a bit more run in it yet.
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Post by Dave the Rave on Jan 1, 2019 20:13:14 GMT
1. Locate axe. 2. Deploy axe. Too many run Rowetts. |
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Post by kev1060 on Jan 1, 2019 20:13:47 GMT
can't really argue with any of that!
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Post by cdlstoke on Jan 1, 2019 20:14:19 GMT
I hate to say it, but promotion is a pipe dream this season. There's virtually no chance now. Our best bet is to sack Rowett immediately, appoint one of the backroom staff as caretaker (Rory would be a good choice if only to get the fans onside) and, without panicking, try to get the man who'll oversee what will be one final huge push for promotion in 19/20 before the parachute payments all but dry up. This might be quick, it might not, but if we can get in a good manager before the end of the season, he'll at least have some time to assess the squad and work out what signings we'll need for next year. Of the current squad, I think we have to accept that Butland won't be here beyond the end of the season. I'd be willing to sell him now if we can get a better fee than we would in the summer. Allen's another who we should get a decent fee for and who you suspect will want to get back into the top flight if he can. It might be better to cash in now and put the money to one side. In the meantime, I think we just need to get through the rest of this campaign with a good idea about what the gameplan for 19/20 will be. The longer we can give a new man to work with the current bunch the better. Not being funny but Rory’s part of the shot were in. He couldn’t even get in the first team coaches at derby. Under 2’s I believe. Can’t keep saying let’s get old boys in as then never any better. Just my opinion. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2019 20:15:04 GMT
One small positive step would be to replace Fletcher and Crouch with Sorensen and Campbell every week. And give them some game time.....
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Post by Trouserdog on Jan 1, 2019 20:15:55 GMT
I hate to say it, but promotion is a pipe dream this season. There's virtually no chance now. Our best bet is to sack Rowett immediately, appoint one of the backroom staff as caretaker (Rory would be a good choice if only to get the fans onside) and, without panicking, try to get the man who'll oversee what will be one final huge push for promotion in 19/20 before the parachute payments all but dry up. This might be quick, it might not, but if we can get in a good manager before the end of the season, he'll at least have some time to assess the squad and work out what signings we'll need for next year. Of the current squad, I think we have to accept that Butland won't be here beyond the end of the season. I'd be willing to sell him now if we can get a better fee than we would in the summer. Allen's another who we should get a decent fee for and who you suspect will want to get back into the top flight if he can. It might be better to cash in now and put the money to one side. In the meantime, I think we just need to get through the rest of this campaign with a good idea about what the gameplan for 19/20 will be. The longer we can give a new man to work with the current bunch the better. Not being funny but Rory’s part of the shot were in. He couldn’t even get in the first team coaches at derby. Under 2’s I believe. Can’t keep saying let’s get old boys in as then never any better. Just my opinion. It's not a long-term solution, just someone to pick the team while we sort out who we really want. He'd at least have some goodwill from the fans which none of the others would have. |
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Post by houstonsteve on Jan 1, 2019 20:19:30 GMT
The plan will be the same as it ever was....
Dither.......then panic too late and sack Rowett...then get kicked to the curb by any half decent chancer who still thinks they will get a better job than Stoke.....then panic again and take any "British" option that has a pulse. Next thing you know its watered down bovril away at Accrington on a Wednesday night.
We don't get this right now who the hell is going to come in Summer ?
I agree with you that we can write this season off. The only ambitious option is Jakanovic, and before saturday. I reckon we would still make the playoffs.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2019 20:19:58 GMT
There could be some Deja vu here. A wank FA cup defeat could see Coates act
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Post by cdlstoke on Jan 1, 2019 20:22:59 GMT
Not being funny but Rory’s part of the shot were in. He couldn’t even get in the first team coaches at derby. Under 2’s I believe. Can’t keep saying let’s get old boys in as then never any better. Just my opinion. It's not a long-term solution, just someone to pick the team while we sort out who we really want. He'd at least have some goodwill from the fans which none of the others would have. Just don’t think he’s strong enough if you know what I mean? I’m no fletcher fan as think he’s past it as a player but could he be a coach/manager? Very unsure but it’s not are job. Hopefully something will happen I n the next day or two as it can’t go on like this. Keeping Rowett is not a option in my opinion. |
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Post by robstokie on Jan 1, 2019 20:23:25 GMT
One small positive step would be to replace Fletcher and Crouch with Sorensen and Campbell every week. And give them some game time..... Couldnt agree more - With this season petering out into a nothing season, we might as well blood the youngsters with an eye to including them more permanently next year. Same goes for Edwards - if Bauers off (which, if Rowett stays, is inevitable), he should be first choice for the rest of the season - quite why we persist with Cuco Fucking Martina baffles me. |
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jan 1, 2019 20:30:30 GMT
Not convinced Allen would go. Wales select players from all divisions so he's assured of a place. His stock is falling along with most of the squad. Wolves must be laughing their cock off too over Afobe,2 million profit and now we are lumbered. Unlike McCLean and Martina who are just not good enough, I think there is a future for Benik if played in the right system. Wouldn't be writing him off yet, personally. |
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Post by stokiejoe on Jan 1, 2019 20:37:31 GMT
We can utilise the remains of the season to experiment and build a quality team that can get promotion next season and if possible form the nucleus of a team to stay up long enough to make new signings.
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Post by WhyDelilah on Jan 1, 2019 20:37:46 GMT
1. Locate axe. 2. Deploy axe. That's fucking brilliant Trouserdog 😂😂😂 |
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Post by baystokie on Jan 1, 2019 21:04:53 GMT
Not being funny but Rory’s part of the shot were in. He couldn’t even get in the first team coaches at derby. Under 2’s I believe. Can’t keep saying let’s get old boys in as then never any better. Just my opinion. It's not a long-term solution, just someone to pick the team while we sort out who we really want. He'd at least have some goodwill from the fans which none of the others would have. Even though Delap would only have the current bunch with which to work. that 'goodwill' could soon vanish if things got dreadfully worse. Who we really want and who we can get could be influenced by the position the interim manager achieves. Even then we could be faced with the new man insisting on a clearout - though with our management structure and risk-averse policy, he could very well turn down the job - so we are back to choosing someone who will 'toe the party line' - ie no change in operational process. |
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Jan 1, 2019 21:36:34 GMT
If scholes and Cartwright are the problem behind the scenes this will be known in football circles and no quality manager of standing will risk his reputation in taking the stoke job if they have control of transfers.
Also Rory was only made part of the backroom team as a popularity stunt. He wasn't involved with the first team at derby. I believe he is very much the junior in our management team not even allowed to sit in the dugout but up in the stands somewhere looking at a data screen. He was brought purely as a PR stunt.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 1, 2019 21:41:58 GMT
I agree with Prestwich. The rest of the season would be a good chance to play Sorensen in midfield. I'd like him given a run ahead of woods now.
Campbell should be given a run as well.
This January we should sell as many as possible and put a kitty aside for the new manager.
I'd sell Allen, Butland, Shawcross, Bauer, pretty much everyone including rowett's signings. Sell as many as possible, start from scratch under the new manager
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Post by lordb on Jan 1, 2019 21:43:32 GMT
Not convinced Allen would go. Wales select players from all divisions so he's assured of a place. His stock is falling along with most of the squad. Wolves must be laughing their cock off too over Afobe,2 million profit and now we are lumbered. Unlike McCLean and Martina who are just not good enough, I think there is a future for Benik if played in the right system. Wouldn't be writing him off yet, personally. Afobe was really poor today MacLean played well. Berahino has played better than Afobe. Anyway just get Jokanovic in |
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Post by lordb on Jan 1, 2019 21:44:40 GMT
I agree with Prestwich. The rest of the season would be a good chance to play Sorensen in midfield. I'd like him given a run ahead of woods now. Campbell should be given a run as well. This January we should sell as many as possible and put a kitty aside for the new manager. I'd sell Allen, Butland, Shawcross, Bauer, pretty much everyone including rowett's signings. Sell as many as possible, start from scratch under the new manager Can only do that if there are buyers. Can only see Allen attracting strong interest otherwise some will go out on loan. |
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Post by wingy11 on Jan 1, 2019 21:45:46 GMT
The plan is to carry on doing what Rowett does best keep playing the same way and hope not to get sacked
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Post by Gods on Jan 1, 2019 21:50:29 GMT
I'm pretty sure we'll switch off the January cash tap if we were going to turn it on.
Makes no sense to spend now when promotion has all but gone.
We might as well keep our powder dry and give it to whoever is in 'long term' charge in the summer.
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Post by geoff321 on Jan 1, 2019 22:07:58 GMT
I would keep GR as long as there is a chance of the play offs, at the moment there still is a chance.
Get rid when promotion is out of the question, and this time lets look within and beyond these shores for the right man.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 1, 2019 22:10:16 GMT
I would keep GR as long as there is a chance of the play offs, at the moment there still is a chance. Get rid when promotion is out of the question, and this time lets look within and beyond these shores for the right man. Yes I think they will keep him on anyway until they find the person to take over. |
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Post by Veritas on Jan 1, 2019 22:14:59 GMT
I would keep GR as long as there is a chance of the play offs, at the moment there still is a chance. Get rid when promotion is out of the question, and this time lets look within and beyond these shores for the right man. Yes I think they will keep him on anyway until they find the person to take over. Any organisation should always have a succession plan in place to account for the unexpected such as someone going under the wheels of a bus so we should already have a shortlist of potential replacements. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 1, 2019 22:18:24 GMT
I would keep GR as long as there is a chance of the play offs, at the moment there still is a chance. Get rid when promotion is out of the question, and this time lets look within and beyond these shores for the right man. As long as we keep him there’s no chance. He doesn’t understand what the problem is, his interview made that clear. |
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 1, 2019 22:22:20 GMT
Delap as manager is misty eyed codswallop. For a start he's culpable in the current shit show.
He's associated to Rowett and I wouldn't like the crowd to turn on him, which I think would inevitably happen unless that was a miraculous about turn in form and style.
Sack the fool now and bring in a proper manager.
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