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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2019 10:33:07 GMT
Old Whiskey Nose took over the Shit in Nov 86.
His league results from when he started that season (according to Wiki) were
Won 11
Lost 6
Drew 9
GD
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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 2, 2019 10:37:08 GMT
It took Ferguson 3 and half years to win something at the shit. When tAlk comes to sacking/keeping managers the Ferguson cliche gets dragged up. How many similar examples can you find? Is Ferguson the exception to prove the rule? Three and a half years, just remind me how long Rowett has had? Invalid comparison. Football managing isn't mystic sorcery. Your wanting Gaz to stay is especially baffling when we've paid a heavy price in the past for holding onto managers for too long.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 2, 2019 10:47:49 GMT
What about Sean Dyche, is that 3O years ago? No. Burnley stuck with Dyche because when they were relegated, the board recognised that they’d still given it a good go despite precious little investment, they had a plan to consolidate and not spend much that first time, and he then continued his good work. In other words, he was doing a good job and didn’t warrant the sack. That’s not the situation Stoke had with any of the managers they’ve sacked since 2013.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 2, 2019 10:49:03 GMT
He was successful at all the clubs he managed, except QPR, in his first few years.
Sorry though, was that 3O years ago?
So because a manager has been successful years ago in the past, the present should be ignored? Are you confused as to why England don’t still have Peter Crouch up front and John Terry at the back too?
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jan 2, 2019 10:56:05 GMT
In answer to the OP. The plan from this point on is not to have a plan.
This course of action will provide a consistent, sustainable future with continuity for senior management.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 2, 2019 11:05:44 GMT
He's got to go 442 hasn't he or 4231. Yesterday was crying out for a player hovering 10 yards out from the 'D' to switch the play and an extra body in that area.
In a 4231 I'd even go as far as to play woods there as a number 10 to link play if he's insistent that bojan is finished.
Clucas & Allen holding with woods as a # 10 behind Berahino or afobe.
Someone central like woods in a number 10 area will pick passes & keep the pressure on
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Post by philb on Jan 2, 2019 11:11:03 GMT
He's got to go 442 hasn't he or 4231. Yesterday was crying out for a player hovering 10 yards out from the 'D' to switch the play and an extra body in that area. In a 4231 I'd even go as far as to play woods there as a number 10 to link play if he's insistent that bojan is finished. Clucas & Allen holding with woods behind Berahino or afobe. Someone central like woods in a number 10 area will pick passes & keep the pressure on All reasonable ideas but you’re wasting your time as the Clueless One won’t change.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 2, 2019 11:14:26 GMT
He's got to go 442 hasn't he or 4231. Yesterday was crying out for a player hovering 10 yards out from the 'D' to switch the play and an extra body in that area. In a 4231 I'd even go as far as to play woods there as a number 10 to link play if he's insistent that bojan is finished. Clucas & Allen holding with woods as a # 10 behind Berahino or afobe. Someone central like woods in a number 10 area will pick passes & keep the pressure on i could see that after a decent helping of ale. I think he needs to get in the upper tier and watch a couple of games from a higher viewpoint. Why more managers don't do that is beyond me. It's a good viewpoint from up in that upper tier
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Post by jontimmis on Jan 2, 2019 11:37:47 GMT
Geoff you should change your name to devils advocate or mrargumentative!
Should stoke have kept Hughes on then despite performance?
Let’s stick with the logic, Rowett sees out his contract, in fact let’s go with that with all football managers.
Never happen. The stakes are too high. Vale should keep hold of Aspin then? Despite the fact they could go out of the football league.
Change, some times is good!!!
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Post by geoff321 on Jan 2, 2019 12:14:11 GMT
Geoff you should change your name to devils advocate or mrargumentative! Should stoke have kept Hughes on then despite performance? Let’s stick with the logic, Rowett sees out his contract, in fact let’s go with that with all football managers. Never happen. The stakes are too high. Vale should keep hold of Aspin then? Despite the fact they could go out of the football league. Change, some times is good!!! Taking over as manager of a relegated club is normally difficult, as some players exit and new players replace them.
There is no doubt Jon that Rowett is struggling to get things right and will be under considerable pressure as fans protests gather momentum.
The idea though that clubs generally benefit from sacking managers at the first sign of a run of poor results is flawed, in my opinion.
There is a chance of a play off position, in my view it's more likely to be achieved under the current manager than rushing out now and risking getting the wrong man again.
I would give Rowett the chance to get us in the play offs, if he can't achieve that then the Board need to review his position.
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Post by Not_Nick_H on Jan 2, 2019 12:41:15 GMT
If scholes and Cartwright are the problem behind the scenes this will be known in football circles and no quality manager of standing will risk his reputation in taking the stoke job if they have control of transfers. Also Rory was only made part of the backroom team as a popularity stunt. He wasn't involved with the first team at derby. I believe he is very much the junior in our management team not even allowed to sit in the dugout but up in the stands somewhere looking at a data screen. He was brought purely as a PR stunt. This. People talk - and the national press (Percy) has a whiff of something behind the scenes too. Combine that with visible/audible unrest from the fans and anyone looking at the club as a potential career move is going to think "f*ck that". I hate to say it, but just lately the "Nuclear Option" of completely new owners showing the door to all and sundry in the old guard is looking like the only way to move forward.
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Post by neilb987 on Jan 2, 2019 15:03:58 GMT
Do you seriously believe the manager is currently getting the best out of this squad with the tactics he’s employing? Really? Neil, I agree with your sentiment here, but would also add that the current squad is nowhere near as good as some on here suggested at the start of the season. I think we are 4 or 5 players short of a good starting 11, with a bench that offers no "game changers" Our current position is not far off what this squad is capable of IMHO, notwithstanding some strange tactics and team selections. To get into the play offs will require a good "January Window" ...would anyone trust GR with that? It's quite depressing really No doubt we need a good January window, but I don’t really think this squad has reached its limits of achievement. Our main problems concern: 1: Our defence, which rests on two slow and ageing centre-backs whose experience can no longer compensate for their limitations. 2. Having to play at least two holding midfielders to cover the defence. 3. Playing 4:5:1 (in effect) with a central striker unsuited for such a role, and with no pace on the flanks. However, we DO have a number of good players who would easily walk into other teams in this division. For me, This includes Butland, Allen, Woods, Etebo, Clucas, Afobe, Ince - and even Berahino and McClean on a good day. A good manager should surely be able to get more than the robotic trash currently being served up out of this lot. The way we’re playing at the moment seems to be sucking all the creativity out of the players as well as draining enthusiasm out of us supporters!
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 2, 2019 15:09:29 GMT
Geoff you should change your name to devils advocate or mrargumentative! Should stoke have kept Hughes on then despite performance? Let’s stick with the logic, Rowett sees out his contract, in fact let’s go with that with all football managers. Never happen. The stakes are too high. Vale should keep hold of Aspin then? Despite the fact they could go out of the football league. Change, some times is good!!! Taking over as manager of a relegated club is normally difficult, as some players exit and new players replace them.
There is no doubt Jon that Rowett is struggling to get things right and will be under considerable pressure as fans protests gather momentum.
The idea though that clubs generally benefit from sacking managers at the first sign of a run of poor results is flawed, in my opinion.
There is a chance of a play off position, in my view it's more likely to be achieved under the current manager than rushing out now and risking getting the wrong man again.
I would give Rowett the chance to get us in the play offs, if he can't achieve that then the Board need to review his position.
Do you think the board should back Rowett in January with the money he needs for the signings he asks for despite everything that has happened?
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Post by geoff321 on Jan 2, 2019 16:15:22 GMT
Taking over as manager of a relegated club is normally difficult, as some players exit and new players replace them.
There is no doubt Jon that Rowett is struggling to get things right and will be under considerable pressure as fans protests gather momentum.
The idea though that clubs generally benefit from sacking managers at the first sign of a run of poor results is flawed, in my opinion.
There is a chance of a play off position, in my view it's more likely to be achieved under the current manager than rushing out now and risking getting the wrong man again.
I would give Rowett the chance to get us in the play offs, if he can't achieve that then the Board need to review his position.
Do you think the board should back Rowett in January with the money he needs for the signings he asks for despite everything that has happened? Good question that GS. If they intend to keep him for this season at least then yes, if they're are already looking elsewhere then no.
He's got a squad that should be higher in this league, but I'm not surprised that there are some problems, adjusting after a relegation can take time.
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Post by senojbor on Jan 2, 2019 16:16:48 GMT
I disagree, its still tight with plenty of the season still to play. No way, 14 points off automatic promotion, 8 points off play- offs. We’ve just played 4 teams outside the top 10 places and got 4 points. Struggled to beat the team in the bottom 3. Sorry friend, but the season is over imo.Oh and 1 goal in 4 games. Spot on this. Also we've been here before haven't we. A lot of younger supporters won't realise but we've actually struggled to get out of the lower leagues and it takes the right decisions before things start going right. What's alarming to me is that we didn't have much financial clout then and it was down to getting in the 'right' manager in. That didn't happen for years and we levelled out in the third tier. Now you could say we're in a much better financial position but you've still got to bring the right manager in. But what really bothers me is that uncle Pete is not getting any younger and when the time comes when he's not here the club could be sold with huge debts. If that happens we won't see the PL again for along time. The future is uncertain now. The early season optimism has gone and stuck with a manager who can't seem to get a grip of the situation. Get a proven experienced manager in NOW!
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