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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 1, 2019 22:25:37 GMT
I would keep GR as long as there is a chance of the play offs, at the moment there still is a chance. Get rid when promotion is out of the question, and this time lets look within and beyond these shores for the right man. Are you a hoarder Geoff, you seem to find it hard to let go (same with Lambert wasn’t it) 🤣
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Post by geoff321 on Jan 1, 2019 22:27:48 GMT
I would keep GR as long as there is a chance of the play offs, at the moment there still is a chance. Get rid when promotion is out of the question, and this time lets look within and beyond these shores for the right man. As long as we keep him there’s no chance. He doesn’t understand what the problem is, his interview made that clear. The managers job is to apply the methods he believes in, and then be judged over a period of time on the results he achieves.
It's not his job to listen to thousands of fans views and change what he believes is right, if HIS methods fail then he will pay for it with his job.
The play offs are still on, a rushed decision on the manager now would be repeating the mistake of last season, in my opinion.
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Post by geoff321 on Jan 1, 2019 22:29:18 GMT
I would keep GR as long as there is a chance of the play offs, at the moment there still is a chance. Get rid when promotion is out of the question, and this time lets look within and beyond these shores for the right man. Are you a hoarder Geoff, you seem to find it hard to let go (same with Lambert wasn’t it) 🤣 Not with Lambert, I thought his appointment was a mistake.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 1, 2019 22:33:18 GMT
Are you a hoarder Geoff, you seem to find it hard to let go (same with Lambert wasn’t it) 🤣 Not with Lambert, I thought his appointment was a mistake. Fair enough mate, just thought I remember you supporting a manager long after everyone else had given up
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 1, 2019 22:34:10 GMT
As long as we keep him there’s no chance. He doesn’t understand what the problem is, his interview made that clear. The managers job is to apply the methods he believes in, and then be judged over a period of time on the results he achieves.
It's not his job to listen to thousands of fans views and change what he believes is right, if HIS methods fail then he will pay for it with his job.
The play offs are still on, a rushed decision on the manager now would be repeating the mistake of last season, in my opinion.
The play offs are not ‘on’. They’re not mathematically impossible but they’re not ‘on’. And it’s not his job to listen to the fans no. The fact he did just that today and switched in panic to a 442 after they derided the Crouch sub is yet more evidence against him. His job is to get results and get us competing for promotion.. He isn’t getting them and performances and interviews suggests he has no idea how to get them. He’s signed players who aren’t right for the system he’s wedded to, there’s zero creativity and we’re a very very ordinary side.
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 1, 2019 22:36:44 GMT
As long as we keep him there’s no chance. He doesn’t understand what the problem is, his interview made that clear. The managers job is to apply the methods he believes in, and then be judged over a period of time on the results he achieves. It's not his job to listen to thousands of fans views and change what he believes is right, if HIS methods fail then he will pay for it with his job. The play offs are still on, a rushed decision on the manager now would be repeating the mistake of last season, in my opinion.
The chance of a play off position recede with every passing week that Rowett is in charge. It takes a very special type of incompetence to fail to make a play off place with the squad and resources at Rowett's disposal.
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Post by Trouserdog on Jan 1, 2019 22:36:51 GMT
Delap as manager is misty eyed codswallop. For a start he's culpable in the current shit show. He's associated to Rowett and I wouldn't like the crowd to turn on him, which I think would inevitably happen unless that was a miraculous about turn in form and style. Sack the fool now and bring in a proper manager. You do understand what caretaker manager means?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 1, 2019 22:37:52 GMT
I hate to say it, but promotion is a pipe dream this season. There's virtually no chance now. Our best bet is to sack Rowett immediately, appoint one of the backroom staff as caretaker (Rory would be a good choice if only to get the fans onside) and, without panicking, try to get the man who'll oversee what will be one final huge push for promotion in 19/20 before the parachute payments all but dry up. This might be quick, it might not, but if we can get in a good manager before the end of the season, he'll at least have some time to assess the squad and work out what signings we'll need for next year. Of the current squad, I think we have to accept that Butland won't be here beyond the end of the season. I'd be willing to sell him now if we can get a better fee than we would in the summer. Allen's another who we should get a decent fee for and who you suspect will want to get back into the top flight if he can. It might be better to cash in now and put the money to one side. In the meantime, I think we just need to get through the rest of this campaign with a good idea about what the gameplan for 19/20 will be. The longer we can give a new man to work with the current bunch the better. I disagree, its still tight with plenty of the season still to play.
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Post by Veritas on Jan 1, 2019 22:41:34 GMT
I hate to say it, but promotion is a pipe dream this season. There's virtually no chance now. Our best bet is to sack Rowett immediately, appoint one of the backroom staff as caretaker (Rory would be a good choice if only to get the fans onside) and, without panicking, try to get the man who'll oversee what will be one final huge push for promotion in 19/20 before the parachute payments all but dry up. This might be quick, it might not, but if we can get in a good manager before the end of the season, he'll at least have some time to assess the squad and work out what signings we'll need for next year. Of the current squad, I think we have to accept that Butland won't be here beyond the end of the season. I'd be willing to sell him now if we can get a better fee than we would in the summer. Allen's another who we should get a decent fee for and who you suspect will want to get back into the top flight if he can. It might be better to cash in now and put the money to one side. In the meantime, I think we just need to get through the rest of this campaign with a good idea about what the gameplan for 19/20 will be. The longer we can give a new man to work with the current bunch the better. I disagree, its still tight with plenty of the season still to play. If we keep Rowett in situ we will very quickly have nothing to play for
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Post by Trouserdog on Jan 1, 2019 22:41:36 GMT
I hate to say it, but promotion is a pipe dream this season. There's virtually no chance now. Our best bet is to sack Rowett immediately, appoint one of the backroom staff as caretaker (Rory would be a good choice if only to get the fans onside) and, without panicking, try to get the man who'll oversee what will be one final huge push for promotion in 19/20 before the parachute payments all but dry up. This might be quick, it might not, but if we can get in a good manager before the end of the season, he'll at least have some time to assess the squad and work out what signings we'll need for next year. Of the current squad, I think we have to accept that Butland won't be here beyond the end of the season. I'd be willing to sell him now if we can get a better fee than we would in the summer. Allen's another who we should get a decent fee for and who you suspect will want to get back into the top flight if he can. It might be better to cash in now and put the money to one side. In the meantime, I think we just need to get through the rest of this campaign with a good idea about what the gameplan for 19/20 will be. The longer we can give a new man to work with the current bunch the better. I disagree, its still tight with plenty of the season still to play. We're 20/1 with the bookmakers for promotion. While there is still a chance, I think we have to be realistic and accept that we're way off what a promotion team looks like.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 1, 2019 22:43:00 GMT
Delap as manager is misty eyed codswallop. For a start he's culpable in the current shit show. He's associated to Rowett and I wouldn't like the crowd to turn on him, which I think would inevitably happen unless that was a miraculous about turn in form and style. Sack the fool now and bring in a proper manager. You do understand what caretaker manager means? I do completely. What's the point in appointing Rory Delap other than it might give everyone a warm fuzzy feeling for a couple of weeks? Just employ Jokanovic, Bruce or Moyes and get on with it.
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Post by generationex on Jan 1, 2019 22:43:26 GMT
Even if we scrapped the play-offs, so what?
Even my Nan was able to boil it down to four words after hearing him on the radio : “He’s a wrong’ un”.
He can never be the right manager for this football club, he doesn’t understand the city or the people. He’s another Alan Ball - once gone he will despise us just as much as we despise him.
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Post by wilcopotter on Jan 1, 2019 22:44:19 GMT
I hate to say it, but promotion is a pipe dream this season. There's virtually no chance now. Our best bet is to sack Rowett immediately, appoint one of the backroom staff as caretaker (Rory would be a good choice if only to get the fans onside) and, without panicking, try to get the man who'll oversee what will be one final huge push for promotion in 19/20 before the parachute payments all but dry up. This might be quick, it might not, but if we can get in a good manager before the end of the season, he'll at least have some time to assess the squad and work out what signings we'll need for next year. Of the current squad, I think we have to accept that Butland won't be here beyond the end of the season. I'd be willing to sell him now if we can get a better fee than we would in the summer. Allen's another who we should get a decent fee for and who you suspect will want to get back into the top flight if he can. It might be better to cash in now and put the money to one side. In the meantime, I think we just need to get through the rest of this campaign with a good idea about what the gameplan for 19/20 will be. The longer we can give a new man to work with the current bunch the better. I disagree, its still tight with plenty of the season still to play. No way, 14 points off automatic promotion, 8 points off play- offs. We’ve just played 4 teams outside the top 10 places and got 4 points. Struggled to beat the team in the bottom 3. Sorry friend, but the season is over imo.
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Post by geoff321 on Jan 1, 2019 22:45:48 GMT
The managers job is to apply the methods he believes in, and then be judged over a period of time on the results he achieves.
It's not his job to listen to thousands of fans views and change what he believes is right, if HIS methods fail then he will pay for it with his job.
The play offs are still on, a rushed decision on the manager now would be repeating the mistake of last season, in my opinion.
The play offs are not ‘on’. They’re not mathematically impossible but they’re not ‘on’. And it’s not his job to listen to the fans no. The fact he did just that today and switched in panic to a 442 after they derided the Crouch sub is yet more evidence against him. His job is to get results and get us competing for promotion.. He isn’t getting them and performances and interviews suggests he has no idea how to get them. He’s signed players who aren’t right for the system he’s wedded to, there’s zero creativity and we’re a very very ordinary side. He's made us difficult to beat, 7 losses in 26, but there's been to many draws, but we're still only a few points off the play offs.
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Post by wilcopotter on Jan 1, 2019 22:46:11 GMT
I hate to say it, but promotion is a pipe dream this season. There's virtually no chance now. Our best bet is to sack Rowett immediately, appoint one of the backroom staff as caretaker (Rory would be a good choice if only to get the fans onside) and, without panicking, try to get the man who'll oversee what will be one final huge push for promotion in 19/20 before the parachute payments all but dry up. This might be quick, it might not, but if we can get in a good manager before the end of the season, he'll at least have some time to assess the squad and work out what signings we'll need for next year. Of the current squad, I think we have to accept that Butland won't be here beyond the end of the season. I'd be willing to sell him now if we can get a better fee than we would in the summer. Allen's another who we should get a decent fee for and who you suspect will want to get back into the top flight if he can. It might be better to cash in now and put the money to one side. In the meantime, I think we just need to get through the rest of this campaign with a good idea about what the gameplan for 19/20 will be. The longer we can give a new man to work with the current bunch the better. I disagree, its still tight with plenty of the season still to play. No way, 14 points off automatic promotion, 8 points off play- offs. We’ve just played 4 teams outside the top 10 places and got 4 points. Struggled to beat the team in the bottom 3. Sorry friend, but the season is over imo.Oh and 1 goal in 4 games.
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Post by wilcopotter on Jan 1, 2019 22:46:57 GMT
I hate to say it, but promotion is a pipe dream this season. There's virtually no chance now. Our best bet is to sack Rowett immediately, appoint one of the backroom staff as caretaker (Rory would be a good choice if only to get the fans onside) and, without panicking, try to get the man who'll oversee what will be one final huge push for promotion in 19/20 before the parachute payments all but dry up. This might be quick, it might not, but if we can get in a good manager before the end of the season, he'll at least have some time to assess the squad and work out what signings we'll need for next year. Of the current squad, I think we have to accept that Butland won't be here beyond the end of the season. I'd be willing to sell him now if we can get a better fee than we would in the summer. Allen's another who we should get a decent fee for and who you suspect will want to get back into the top flight if he can. It might be better to cash in now and put the money to one side. In the meantime, I think we just need to get through the rest of this campaign with a good idea about what the gameplan for 19/20 will be. The longer we can give a new man to work with the current bunch the better. I disagree, its still tight with plenty of the season still to play. No way, 14 points off automatic promotion, 8 points off play- offs. We’ve just played 4 teams outside the top 10 places and got 4 points. Struggled to beat the team in the bottom 3. Sorry friend, but the season is over imo.Oh and 1 goal in 4 games.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 1, 2019 22:48:10 GMT
The play offs are not ‘on’. They’re not mathematically impossible but they’re not ‘on’. And it’s not his job to listen to the fans no. The fact he did just that today and switched in panic to a 442 after they derided the Crouch sub is yet more evidence against him. His job is to get results and get us competing for promotion.. He isn’t getting them and performances and interviews suggests he has no idea how to get them. He’s signed players who aren’t right for the system he’s wedded to, there’s zero creativity and we’re a very very ordinary side. He's made us difficult to beat, 7 losses in 26, but there's been to many draws, but we're still only a few points off the play offs. Eight is more than ‘a few’. Eight wins in 26. That isn’t good enough and that isn’t a team going up. And he’s committed to this system which isn’t working and which is the reason we are where we are. Being difficult to beat stops you getting relegated. It doesn’t get you promoted. You need more. He can’t deliver that.
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Post by geoff321 on Jan 1, 2019 22:48:14 GMT
The managers job is to apply the methods he believes in, and then be judged over a period of time on the results he achieves. It's not his job to listen to thousands of fans views and change what he believes is right, if HIS methods fail then he will pay for it with his job. The play offs are still on, a rushed decision on the manager now would be repeating the mistake of last season, in my opinion.
The chance of a play off position recede with every passing week that Rowett is in charge. It takes a very special type of incompetence to fail to make a play off place with the squad and resources at Rowett's disposal. That would be true if he fails to achieve a play off place, but that isn't the case yet is it?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 1, 2019 22:49:32 GMT
I disagree, its still tight with plenty of the season still to play. We're 20/1 with the bookmakers for promotion. While there is still a chance, I think we have to be realistic and accept that we're way off what a promotion team looks like. The bookies had us favourites at the start of the season so I can't say I take any notice to what they think tbh
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 1, 2019 22:50:05 GMT
We're 20/1 with the bookmakers for promotion. While there is still a chance, I think we have to be realistic and accept that we're way off what a promotion team looks like. The bookies had us favourites at the start of the season so I can't say I take any notice to what they think tbh What odds would you give us, based on what you’ve seen so far?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 1, 2019 22:51:09 GMT
I disagree, its still tight with plenty of the season still to play. No way, 14 points off automatic promotion, 8 points off play- offs. We’ve just played 4 teams outside the top 10 places and got 4 points. Struggled to beat the team in the bottom 3. Sorry friend, but the season is over imo. 8 points isn't a lot though, it would mean things need to change, how the team play, set up etc but its more than doable.
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Post by geoff321 on Jan 1, 2019 22:53:43 GMT
He's made us difficult to beat, 7 losses in 26, but there's been to many draws, but we're still only a few points off the play offs. Eight is more than ‘a few’. Eight wins in 26. That isn’t good enough and that isn’t a team going up. And he’s committed to this system which isn’t working and which is the reason we are where we are. Being difficult to beat stops you getting relegated. It doesn’t get you promoted. You need more. He can’t deliver that. 8 points over 2O games can be done, it's a failure in the last three games that's blown us a bit off course.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 1, 2019 22:55:01 GMT
The bookies had us favourites at the start of the season so I can't say I take any notice to what they think tbh What odds would you give us, based on what you’ve seen so far? Zero, but get the set up right and there's a chance, look at Hull, won 5 in a row and are probably thinking they have a chance now, we have some good players that are capable, we need to ditch 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1 go with Ince on the left and we'd look much better but that probably means saying bye to Rowett.
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Post by Trouserdog on Jan 1, 2019 22:55:21 GMT
You do understand what caretaker manager means? I do completely. What's the point in appointing Rory Delap other than it might give everyone a warm fuzzy feeling for a couple of weeks? Just employ Jokanovic, Bruce or Moyes and get on with it. We need to be absolutely SURE that the man we have in mind is THE man to take us up, not just leap at the first name someone mentions. We've done fuck all due diligence on players and it's cost us big time. Getting a manager right is even more important. We need to know their background, personal life, where things have gone wrong at previous clubs and why, what type of football they play etc etc etc. I'm not advocating Delap for some stupid misty-eyed nostalgia trip, purely the practicalities of having someone/anyone in charge while we sort out who we want and why we want them. Why make a knee-jerk decision on such an important issue when we don't have to? We need a bit of time- maybe only a week or two- to sort this out properly. Put the fucking hippo in charge for all I care; the point is not who the caretaker is, it's that we absolutely HAVE to get the permanent appointment correct and that might take a bit of time.
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 1, 2019 22:55:22 GMT
The chance of a play off position recede with every passing week that Rowett is in charge. It takes a very special type of incompetence to fail to make a play off place with the squad and resources at Rowett's disposal. That would be true if he fails to achieve a play off place, but that isn't the case yet is it? That's why I said that with every passing week that Rowett is in charge the chances of a play off place recedes. Anyone who has watched the last four Stoke games will realise we are regressing at an alarming rate and to keep Rowett is a wasted season.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 1, 2019 22:57:03 GMT
Eight is more than ‘a few’. Eight wins in 26. That isn’t good enough and that isn’t a team going up. And he’s committed to this system which isn’t working and which is the reason we are where we are. Being difficult to beat stops you getting relegated. It doesn’t get you promoted. You need more. He can’t deliver that. 8 points over 2O games can be done, it's a failure in the last three games that's blown us a bit off course. That relies on us getting better and everyone else getting worse though doesn’t it? And it goes far beyond the last three games, the same problems have affected us for most of the season, we were playing just the same during our ‘unbeaten run’, not creating much even against poor sides while looking frail against the back - this was always coming. Nobody gets away with playing badly for long. What’s going to change Geoff. Are we going to change to a more positive system that gets the best out of the £30m worth of attacking talent we signed? Is the current system suddenly going to click out of nowhere? Are we suddenly going to find out how to turn wins into draws?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 1, 2019 22:58:09 GMT
What odds would you give us, based on what you’ve seen so far? Zero, but get the set up right and there's a chance, look at Hull, won 5 in a row and are probably thinking they have a chance now, we have some good players that are capable, we need to ditch 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1 go with Ince on the left and we'd look much better but that probably means saying bye to Rowett. That’s the crux. It isn’t going to happen with Rowett.
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 1, 2019 22:58:18 GMT
What odds would you give us, based on what you’ve seen so far? Zero, but get the set up right and there's a chance, look at Hull, won 5 in a row and are probably thinking they have a chance now, we have some good players that are capable, we need to ditch 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1 go with Ince on the left and we'd look much better but that probably means saying bye to Rowett. Hull scored 6 today against a team we struggled to get a shot on target against last week. There is absolutely no chance that Rowett could produce a team that even has 6 shots on target let alone score 6 goals.
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Post by wilcopotter on Jan 1, 2019 22:58:25 GMT
Eight is more than ‘a few’. Eight wins in 26. That isn’t good enough and that isn’t a team going up. And he’s committed to this system which isn’t working and which is the reason we are where we are. Being difficult to beat stops you getting relegated. It doesn’t get you promoted. You need more. He can’t deliver that. 8 points over 2O games can be done, it's a failure in the last three games that's blown us a bit off course. Based on the last 3 games, it will take us 20 games to get 8 points😉
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jan 1, 2019 22:59:47 GMT
It's a no from me for Delap too, he's never come across as manager material to me, in fact I'm not even sure he's coach material looking at how our midfield is so dysfunctional.
I'm of the opinion we're currently sounding out Bruce and if we can get him Rowett will be gone if not he's staying for the foreseeable.
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