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Post by stokemark on Dec 23, 2018 0:35:35 GMT
Good player, gets us out of lots of trouble. Other midfielders need to be more creative when he gives them the ball. Allen, headless chicken. Clucas, not sure about him. Etebo not given a long enough run. Adam / Fletcher... taxi. Woods does his job and actually can pass the ball tidily but rarely ventures forward Allen runs around a lot and gives you energy Clucas is decent but I'd prefer to see him on the left side of midfield All good,players but none that seem able to provide that killer pass - Etebo must surely be the best bet to do that job
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 23, 2018 1:27:46 GMT
Woods is very similar to Whelan, many Stoke fans didn't 'get' Whelan either. Whelan knew how to do the defensive work. This lad is weak as piss slow, barely won a tackle and i can't recall him winning a header since he's been here. That said positional wise he's ok, nothing more. Whelan was a much better player. Also how many times does he want to give the ball away with sloppy passing, also those floating long balls he does which puts the receiving player under pressure due to how long they take get there really do annoy me. He's style of substance. Jesus hates Christ
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 23, 2018 1:42:37 GMT
Think he is actually part of the problem without Allen next season I certainly wouldn’t trust him to be the fulcrum of the team , the slowness of the build up starts with him
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 23, 2018 8:38:34 GMT
Think he is actually part of the problem without Allen next season I certainly wouldn’t trust him to be the fulcrum of the team , the slowness of the build up starts with him He’s a defensive midfielder for Christ’s sake. Will our fans ever understand this kind of player, ever?
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 23, 2018 8:44:13 GMT
Thought he was among our best players yesterday.
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Post by shrewspotter on Dec 23, 2018 8:50:22 GMT
Thought he was among our best players yesterday. spot on Rob.lets put this right Since he's been here are results have improved dramatically, he does win the ball and looks to play intelligent balls forward albeit he does go sidewards a bit too often for me, before Woods we had either Allen there who is better forward or fletch who is toss.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 23, 2018 9:04:34 GMT
Rarely looks left, always passes right.
I like him but he is a bit too predictable in his play at the moment.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 23, 2018 12:52:36 GMT
Think he is actually part of the problem without Allen next season I certainly wouldn’t trust him to be the fulcrum of the team , the slowness of the build up starts with him He’s a defensive midfielder for Christ’s sake. Will our fans ever understand this kind of player, ever? In which case he can’t tackle , isn’t strong enough see Blackburn , Wigan , QPR , all games where their number 10 dropped into the hole and bossed him totally .
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Post by Absolution on Dec 23, 2018 13:13:58 GMT
He’s a defensive midfielder for Christ’s sake. Will our fans ever understand this kind of player, ever? In which case he can’t tackle , isn’t strong enough see Blackburn , Wigan , QPR , all games where their number 10 dropped into the hole and bossed him totally . In fairness, there was a good reason why he was so easily bossed in the Wigan game.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 23, 2018 13:17:59 GMT
He’s a defensive midfielder for Christ’s sake. Will our fans ever understand this kind of player, ever? In which case he can’t tackle , isn’t strong enough see Blackburn , Wigan , QPR , all games where their number 10 dropped into the hole and bossed him totally . Erm, he didn’t play against Wigan and no player on either team won more tackles in the QPR game...
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Dec 23, 2018 13:26:50 GMT
As I’ve said on other threads, he recycles the ball and lets Allen and Clucas play further up, Allen’s improvement directly coincides with Woods’ establishment in the first team. He always wants the ball, at the start of the season ou midfield was scared of having it. He’s never been a goalscoring midfielder and he never will be, but for the role he plays you’ll be hard pressed to find a better player in the division. Don’t get how this is hard to see. Also in the last two home games, him dropping deep has led to 2 of the 3 goals including yesterday, where he won a great header after a cleared corner that allowed us to build on the wing which the goal came from.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2018 13:29:32 GMT
Rarely looks left, always passes right. I like him but he is a bit too predictable in his play at the moment. . He gets the ball and his 1st touch is always to the right,has he ever used his left foot or is he the opposite óf Imbula ?
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Post by gibby1409 on Dec 23, 2018 13:32:57 GMT
Rarely looks left, always passes right. I like him but he is a bit too predictable in his play at the moment. . He gets the ball and his 1st touch is always to the right,has he ever used his left foot or is he the opposite óf Imbula ? Deffo the opposite, because he gives a fu#k and isn’t a total bell end! 😉
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 23, 2018 13:46:22 GMT
In which case he can’t tackle , isn’t strong enough see Blackburn , Wigan , QPR , all games where their number 10 dropped into the hole and bossed him totally . Erm, he didn’t play against Wigan and no player on either team won more tackles in the QPR game... Apologies on Wigan but the qpr goals both came from 10 dropping in the hole
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Post by lordb on Dec 23, 2018 13:56:30 GMT
Erm, he didn’t play against Wigan and no player on either team won more tackles in the QPR game... Apologies on Wigan but the qpr goals both came from 10 dropping in the hole Absolute rubbish. Both QPR goals came from MacLean not doing his job (which is why he got dropped). First goal Eze was on the left and crossed wasn't in the middle at all.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 23, 2018 13:56:40 GMT
He'll be a better player when we sign a decent centre half.
He spends most of his time covering our hopeless defenders. As previously said our results have improved dramatically since he signed.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 23, 2018 13:59:00 GMT
Apologies on Wigan but the qpr goals both came from 10 dropping in the hole Absolute rubbish. Both QPR goals came from MacLean not doing his job (which is why he got dropped). First goal Eze was on the left and crossed wasn't in the middle at all. Look where he picked the ball up , but irs all about opinions , I’ve no problem with woods as a player but purely in my opinion he doesn’t have the attributes of a back four screening midfielder , anymore than huth or shawcross were right backs
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Dec 23, 2018 17:49:07 GMT
He’s a defensive midfielder for Christ’s sake. Will our fans ever understand this kind of player, ever? In which case he can’t tackle , isn’t strong enough see Blackburn , Wigan , QPR , all games where their number 10 dropped into the hole and bossed him totally . Apparently not toxic 😒
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Post by thehoof on Dec 23, 2018 17:57:00 GMT
Erm, he didn’t play against Wigan and no player on either team won more tackles in the QPR game... Apologies on Wigan but the qpr goals both came from 10 dropping in the hole The QPR goals Benji- the first came from Tom Edwards failing to track the guy who eventually crossed the ball ( he did have it for five or six seconds while Edwards stood off him) while the second goal came from the full back not being tracked by either McLean (predominantly) or BMI.
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Post by onefatcopper on Dec 23, 2018 18:43:54 GMT
He'll be a better player when we sign a decent centre half. He spends most of his time covering our hopeless defenders. As previously said our results have improved dramatically since he signed. Is it a coincidence that since Shawcross has returned to the team and taken back the captaincy, that Woods game has apparently become less of a threat to the opposition ? Woods is sacrificing a part of his natural game to become more of a safeguard to the defensive unit, this is due to the lack of pace, communication and the constant threat to self implode for no apparent reason ! He can’t be in two places at the same time, when he first arrived you could see the impact on the team from the first instance, he was talking, organising,bossing and prompting all around and in front of him. Williams and BMI were gradually sorting themselves out, and the defence as a whole seemed to be gelling as a solid looking unit. But now Ryan ShawX has returned to partner Williams it seems like Woods is having to play the leader of the defensive unit thus inhibiting his influence further upfield.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 23, 2018 18:47:31 GMT
He'll be a better player when we sign a decent centre half. He spends most of his time covering our hopeless defenders. As previously said our results have improved dramatically since he signed. Is it a coincidence that since Shawcross has returned to the team and taken back the captaincy, that Woods game has apparently become less of a threat to the opposition ? Woods is sacrificing a part of his natural game to become more of a safeguard to the defensive unit, this is due to the lack of pace, communication and the constant threat to self implode for no apparent reason ! He can’t be in two places at the same time, when he first arrived you could see the impact on the team from the first instance, he was talking, organising,bossing and prompting all around and in front of him. Williams and BMI were gradually sorting themselves out, and the defence as a whole seemed to be gelling as a solid looking unit. But now Ryan ShawX has returned to partner Williams it seems like Woods is having to play the leader of the defensive unit thus inhibiting his influence further upfield. Was he not signed to be a defensive midfielder? I don’t think ‘influence further up the field’ is necessarily in his remit, beyond bringing it forward from the centre backs and starting off attacks from deep?
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Post by onefatcopper on Dec 23, 2018 19:19:00 GMT
Is it a coincidence that since Shawcross has returned to the team and taken back the captaincy, that Woods game has apparently become less of a threat to the opposition ? Woods is sacrificing a part of his natural game to become more of a safeguard to the defensive unit, this is due to the lack of pace, communication and the constant threat to self implode for no apparent reason ! He can’t be in two places at the same time, when he first arrived you could see the impact on the team from the first instance, he was talking, organising,bossing and prompting all around and in front of him. Williams and BMI were gradually sorting themselves out, and the defence as a whole seemed to be gelling as a solid looking unit. But now Ryan ShawX has returned to partner Williams it seems like Woods is having to play the leader of the defensive unit thus inhibiting his influence further upfield. Was he not signed to be a defensive midfielder? I don’t think ‘influence further up the field’ is necessarily in his remit, beyond bringing it forward from the centre backs and starting off attacks from deep? Yes, he was purchased as a defensive midfielder but not as a centre back ? I class his remit to break down the opposition attack’s in the central area of the pitch and to be the link man from the defence to the midfield. We set up to play a 4-3-3 or 4-3-2-1 and not to have 5 at the back. Playing as the defensive midfielder should not inhibit him to contribute in Stokes forward play ! He has a quick brain and quick feet to match, and the last time I looked I didn’t notice any new markings on a football pitch saying “ No Midfielders Past This Point “ ? It just seems like he’s caught between the devil and the deep blue sea which is stifling any quick initiative in his game.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 23, 2018 20:30:40 GMT
Was he not signed to be a defensive midfielder? I don’t think ‘influence further up the field’ is necessarily in his remit, beyond bringing it forward from the centre backs and starting off attacks from deep? Yes, he was purchased as a defensive midfielder but not as a centre back ? I class his remit to break down the opposition attack’s in the central area of the pitch and to be the link man from the defence to the midfield. We set up to play a 4-3-3 or 4-3-2-1 and not to have 5 at the back. Playing as the defensive midfielder should not inhibit him to contribute in Stokes forward play ! He has a quick brain and quick feet to match, and the last time I looked I didn’t notice any new markings on a football pitch saying “ No Midfielders Past This Point “ ? It just seems like he’s caught between the devil and the deep blue sea which is stifling any quick initiative in his game. He’s a sitting midfielder, his job is a screening one in front of the back four I thought?
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Post by Clem Fandango on Dec 23, 2018 21:08:36 GMT
Isnt he the sort of player who you dont really miss until he's gone and then you realise how important he was.
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 23, 2018 21:11:52 GMT
Isnt he the sort of player who you dont really miss until he's gone and then you realise how important he was. Just like a certain Mr. Whelan a while ago.
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Post by thehoof on Dec 23, 2018 21:20:42 GMT
My car broke down yesterday. It was Shawcross’s fault. This myth about BMi and Williams sorting the defence coincided with Jack Butland being man of the match in two consecutive games.
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Post by wilcopotter on Dec 23, 2018 22:27:51 GMT
He'll be a better player when we sign a decent centre half. He spends most of his time covering our hopeless defenders. As previously said our results have improved dramatically since he signed. Spot on👍
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Post by wilcopotter on Dec 23, 2018 22:30:04 GMT
Apologies on Wigan but the qpr goals both came from 10 dropping in the hole The QPR goals Benji- the first came from Tom Edwards failing to track the guy who eventually crossed the ball ( he did have it for five or six seconds while Edwards stood off him) while the second goal came from the full back not being tracked by either McLean (predominantly) or BMI. Edwards is not a Championship player. He only gets cut slack because he’s local.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 23, 2018 22:31:22 GMT
The QPR goals Benji- the first came from Tom Edwards failing to track the guy who eventually crossed the ball ( he did have it for five or six seconds while Edwards stood off him) while the second goal came from the full back not being tracked by either McLean (predominantly) or BMI. Edwards is not a Championship player. He only gets cut slack because he’s local. He’s looked better than Martina.
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Post by colinroberts1 on Dec 23, 2018 22:37:09 GMT
He'll be a better player when we sign a decent centre half. He spends most of his time covering our hopeless defenders. As previously said our results have improved dramatically since he signed. Probably why we have to counter attack from the edge of our own box time and time again. The defence just can't be trusted too far up the pitch. Agree that quicker decent center half/halves needed to free up Woods more 👍
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