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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 13, 2018 19:49:29 GMT
I don't really understand the criticism of him. He does the Glenn Whelan role very well and a lot of his good work goes unnoticed. Whelan also was massively undervalued. In my opinion Whelan was stronger in the air and much better at tackling than Woods is. I also think Whelan was a bit quicker at his prime, but Woods is certainly a decent player for the amount of money we are going to pay. He played better in his first games for us though than he has done recently.
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 13, 2018 20:07:19 GMT
Whelan also was massively undervalued. In my opinion Whelan was stronger in the air and much better at tackling than Woods is. I also think Whelan was a bit quicker at his prime, but Woods is certainly a decent player for the amount of money we are going to pay. He played better in his first games for us though than he has done recently. Gold and silver medallists in the new Olympic event, the 100m Run-Like-You've-Shit-Yourself sprint right there.
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 14, 2018 7:51:31 GMT
In my opinion Whelan was stronger in the air and much better at tackling than Woods is. I also think Whelan was a bit quicker at his prime, but Woods is certainly a decent player for the amount of money we are going to pay. He played better in his first games for us though than he has done recently. Gold and silver medallists in the new Olympic event, the 100m Run-Like-You've-Shit-Yourself sprint right there.
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Post by thehoof on Dec 14, 2018 9:29:34 GMT
I think that Woods performances have dipped since Shawcross has returned to central defence, he is sacrificing part of his natural game so he can operate as the extra man at the back, knowing that the guaranteed howler is eventually going to happen. I don’t understand why we have split the Williams & Martins Indi partnership when they were getting a good understanding of each other’s game ? If Martins Indi is fit enough to make the bench then he’s fit enough to play, drop Shawcross , reform the Williams/Indi partnership and give the captaincy and the responsibility that goes with it back to Woods. ..sometimes I really wonder if I watch the same games as some of the other supporters! Why people can't see that we need Ryan in the team is baffeling to me! He is our only player able to win most defensive headers in the box, and this is certainly needed in this division! He also seems our only defender able to mark an opponent in the box and also our only defender able to head the ball so far that it doesn't drop to an opponent every time which is a problem for both Indi and Williams. I agree Williams have improved, but he still has limitations when it comes to marking and heading the ball. The same could be said about Indi. I also think it's a myth that Shawcross can't pass the ball, but Williams and Indi are so great at this. For me Shawcross should be one of the first names on the teamsheet every time, but I accept that others see it diffrently of course. Rob, it’s Shawcross’ fault that Afobe can’t control a bag of cement, that GR makes such asinine substitutions and the fact that the wind blows a gale at the Bet 365. Some people are a joke- following the Boro game it was Shawcross’ fault that Hugill beat him in a 1 on 1 that was created by BMI’s defence splitting pass. Shawcross has lost pace but BMI can’t concentrate for longer than 30 seconds and Ashley Williams loses his man more often than not- in short there are issues with whichever centre half pairing we choose but clearly it is all Shawcross’ fault.
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Post by onefatcopper on Dec 14, 2018 10:30:30 GMT
..sometimes I really wonder if I watch the same games as some of the other supporters! Why people can't see that we need Ryan in the team is baffeling to me! He is our only player able to win most defensive headers in the box, and this is certainly needed in this division! He also seems our only defender able to mark an opponent in the box and also our only defender able to head the ball so far that it doesn't drop to an opponent every time which is a problem for both Indi and Williams. I agree Williams have improved, but he still has limitations when it comes to marking and heading the ball. The same could be said about Indi. I also think it's a myth that Shawcross can't pass the ball, but Williams and Indi are so great at this. For me Shawcross should be one of the first names on the teamsheet every time, but I accept that others see it diffrently of course. Rob, it’s Shawcross’ fault that Afobe can’t control a bag of cement, that GR makes such asinine substitutions and the fact that the wind blows a gale at the Bet 365. Some people are a joke- following the Boro game it was Shawcross’ fault that Hugill beat him in a 1 on 1 that was created by BMI’s defence splitting pass. Shawcross has lost pace but BMI can’t concentrate for longer than 30 seconds and Ashley Williams loses his man more often than not- in short there are issues with whichever centre half pairing we choose but clearly it is all Shawcross’ fault. At the end of the game at Ashton Gate, I at last thought that we have the making of a real team ! BMI & Williams had been immense and the team as a whole looked like a solid threatening unit. I can understand why Rowett reintroduced Ryan, and thought that this would be a temporary measure, but it’s just my own opinion that the panic is returning to the defence and that the solid unity of the team has disappeared. Ryan has a place as a stolid defensive squad player, but I don’t think at this moment in time he is a first team regular. He is a colossus in the air, but those headed clearances now have a habit of being returned straight to the opposition thus heaping the pressure back onto the defence. Out of all the three permutations for the central defenders Williams & BMI have looked to be the answer in the short term.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Dec 14, 2018 11:45:29 GMT
Whelan also was massively undervalued. In my opinion Whelan was stronger in the air and much better at tackling than Woods is. I also think Whelan was a bit quicker at his prime, but Woods is certainly a decent player for the amount of money we are going to pay. He played better in his first games for us though than he has done recently. I agree that whelan was better at tackling than Woods. However Woods is twice the player with the ball at his feet. He can hold possession and look up for options and spread the play wide or forwards if need be Overall Woods should prove more valuable in the long term. I think he is missing a true attacking midfielder for a partner. Bojan would give Woods more options to pass into space
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 14, 2018 11:47:31 GMT
Rob, it’s Shawcross’ fault that Afobe can’t control a bag of cement, that GR makes such asinine substitutions and the fact that the wind blows a gale at the Bet 365. Some people are a joke- following the Boro game it was Shawcross’ fault that Hugill beat him in a 1 on 1 that was created by BMI’s defence splitting pass. Shawcross has lost pace but BMI can’t concentrate for longer than 30 seconds and Ashley Williams loses his man more often than not- in short there are issues with whichever centre half pairing we choose but clearly it is all Shawcross’ fault. At the end of the game at Ashton Gate, I at last thought that we have the making of a real team ! BMI & Williams had been immense and the team as a whole looked like a solid threatening unit. I can understand why Rowett reintroduced Ryan, and thought that this would be a temporary measure, but it’s just my own opinion that the panic is returning to the defence and that the solid unity of the team has disappeared. Ryan has a place as a stolid defensive squad player, but I don’t think at this moment in time he is a first team regular. He is a colossus in the air, but those headed clearances now have a habit of being returned straight to the opposition thus heaping the pressure back onto the defence. Out of all the three permutations for the central defenders Williams & BMI have looked to be the answer in the short term. If you watched that game versus Bristol City you might remember that Butland had a blinder of a game. He rescued us time after time when our defenders lost their marking in the box. I didn't think we were great at all in that game, but very lucky to get away with all the points. If that was the game where you thought Williams and Indi were so great I reall suspect you looked away and not on the pitch too often. If the opponent gets 5-6 clear cut chances, how great have we been defensively then?
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Post by onefatcopper on Dec 14, 2018 18:32:30 GMT
At the end of the game at Ashton Gate, I at last thought that we have the making of a real team ! BMI & Williams had been immense and the team as a whole looked like a solid threatening unit. I can understand why Rowett reintroduced Ryan, and thought that this would be a temporary measure, but it’s just my own opinion that the panic is returning to the defence and that the solid unity of the team has disappeared. Ryan has a place as a stolid defensive squad player, but I don’t think at this moment in time he is a first team regular. He is a colossus in the air, but those headed clearances now have a habit of being returned straight to the opposition thus heaping the pressure back onto the defence. Out of all the three permutations for the central defenders Williams & BMI have looked to be the answer in the short term. If you watched that game versus Bristol City you might remember that Butland had a blinder of a game. He rescued us time after time when our defenders lost their marking in the box. I didn't think we were great at all in that game, but very lucky to get away with all the points. If that was the game where you thought Williams and Indi were so great I reall suspect you looked away and not on the pitch too often. If the opponent gets 5-6 clear cut chances, how great have we been defensively then? I didn’t just watch, I also attended that match as I have all the matches, so we keep Ryan in his chosen position and if possible get a new player in to partner him. I for one will be interested to see the outcome and hope that you are proved right in your appraisal of Ryan’s priceless value to Stokes game. You never know but how you see his performances of late,a call up for England could well be in the pipeline ?
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 14, 2018 18:59:17 GMT
If you watched that game versus Bristol City you might remember that Butland had a blinder of a game. He rescued us time after time when our defenders lost their marking in the box. I didn't think we were great at all in that game, but very lucky to get away with all the points. If that was the game where you thought Williams and Indi were so great I reall suspect you looked away and not on the pitch too often. If the opponent gets 5-6 clear cut chances, how great have we been defensively then? I didn’t just watch, I also attended that match as I have all the matches, so we keep Ryan in his chosen position and if possible get a new player in to partner him. I for one will be interested to see the outcome and hope that you are proved right in your appraisal of Ryan’s priceless value to Stokes game. You never know but how you see his performances of late,a call up for England could well be in the pipeline ? That was taking it a bit far, but I compare him to our alternatives, yes.
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Post by adi on Dec 15, 2018 10:22:41 GMT
Williams has been our best CB this season . I'd still say he's been indifferent... 😄 He is improving though, so some more solid games and I will be tempted to move him to my positive section! He’s still been our best CB, on the basis that shawcross overall has been awful and Bruno hasn’t been very good either.
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Post by adi on Dec 15, 2018 10:24:33 GMT
..sometimes I really wonder if I watch the same games as some of the other supporters! Why people can't see that we need Ryan in the team is baffeling to me! He is our only player able to win most defensive headers in the box, and this is certainly needed in this division! He also seems our only defender able to mark an opponent in the box and also our only defender able to head the ball so far that it doesn't drop to an opponent every time which is a problem for both Indi and Williams. I agree Williams have improved, but he still has limitations when it comes to marking and heading the ball. The same could be said about Indi. I also think it's a myth that Shawcross can't pass the ball, but Williams and Indi are so great at this. For me Shawcross should be one of the first names on the teamsheet every time, but I accept that others see it diffrently of course. Rob, it’s Shawcross’ fault that Afobe can’t control a bag of cement, that GR makes such asinine substitutions and the fact that the wind blows a gale at the Bet 365. Some people are a joke- following the Boro game it was Shawcross’ fault that Hugill beat him in a 1 on 1 that was created by BMI’s defence splitting pass. Shawcross has lost pace but BMI can’t concentrate for longer than 30 seconds and Ashley Williams loses his man more often than not- in short there are issues with whichever centre half pairing we choose but clearly it is all Shawcross’ fault. It’s also not his fault that for the last 2 seasons we’ve shipped 4,000 goals. Must be that shit keeper Butland!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2018 15:48:06 GMT
Still waiting for him to pass to a Stoke player in this game.
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Post by salopstokie on Dec 15, 2018 15:58:33 GMT
Form has definitely dropped. His passing ability is questionable
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 15, 2018 15:59:15 GMT
45 minutes in and Whelan is showing him up for the player he is.
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Post by salopstokie on Dec 15, 2018 16:02:06 GMT
45 minutes in and Whelan is showing him up for the player he is. No sure Whelan is the reason but Woods isn't helping himself
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Dec 15, 2018 16:08:24 GMT
He looked so good when he signed but he's constantly giving the ball away at the moment.
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Post by TexasPotter on Dec 15, 2018 16:17:09 GMT
He looked so good when he signed but he's constantly giving the ball away at the moment. Rowettball can do that to ya.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 15, 2018 17:35:55 GMT
45 minutes in and Whelan is showing him up for the player he is. No sure Whelan is the reason but Woods isn't helping himself Woods was better 2nd half thankfully
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Post by stokesupporter on Dec 15, 2018 19:20:02 GMT
His drop of form doesn't really surprise me. Brentford fans weren't really bothered when he left. However Woods has potential to be a very good player. Hopefully our management team is up to the task.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2018 20:08:42 GMT
Average again today. Far too sloppy in possession, spent a lot of tome looking for the Hollywood ball when a simpler solution was always on
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 15, 2018 20:12:12 GMT
His drop of form doesn't really surprise me. Brentford fans weren't really bothered when he left. However Woods has potential to be a very good player. Hopefully our management team is up to the task. I think a lot of that is Brentford fans being used to it, with their model its always going to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2018 20:32:08 GMT
His drop of form doesn't really surprise me. Brentford fans weren't really bothered when he left. However Woods has potential to be a very good player. Hopefully our management team is up to the task. He was very highly rated by the vast majority of their fans.
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Post by soccerhq on Dec 15, 2018 20:32:24 GMT
Surprised at the opinions. He's a fantastic little player at this level as he showed last two years at Brentford.
Think him with Clucas and Allen pushed forward looks a pretty good midfield going forward for Stoke.
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Post by sheds1862 on Dec 15, 2018 20:39:00 GMT
Surprised at the opinions. He's a fantastic little player at this level as he showed last two years at Brentford. Think him with Clucas and Allen pushed forward looks a pretty good midfield going forward for Stoke. Not a pop at you fella but how do people know about the last 2 years ? We were in the premier league and I can't say he was a name I ever heard mentioned.
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Post by numpty40 on Dec 15, 2018 20:45:45 GMT
Woods is very similar to Whelan, many Stoke fans didn't 'get' Whelan either.
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Post by TexasPotter on Dec 15, 2018 20:49:14 GMT
Think woods can get forward more often especially with Clucas's inclusion now. He's in a slump but can imagine that he will come out of it. He's getting to comfortable.
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Post by lordb on Dec 15, 2018 21:01:08 GMT
His drop of form doesn't really surprise me. Brentford fans weren't really bothered when he left. However Woods has potential to be a very good player. Hopefully our management team is up to the task. He was very highly rated by the vast majority of their fans. Player of the season wasn't he?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2018 21:43:36 GMT
Woods is very similar to Whelan, many Stoke fans didn't 'get' Whelan either. Whelan knew how to do the defensive work. This lad is weak as piss slow, barely won a tackle and i can't recall him winning a header since he's been here. That said positional wise he's ok, nothing more. Whelan was a much better player. Also how many times does he want to give the ball away with sloppy passing, also those floating long balls he does which puts the receiving player under pressure due to how long they take get there really do annoy me. He's style of substance.
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Post by mrred on Dec 22, 2018 23:17:09 GMT
Can't work Woods out at all. If he stuck to a defined role in midfield then we'd get a better player and we wouldn't continually lose shape all the time. More times than enough he was playing behind the CB's, or on one of the wings. He's got a fucking great pass on him but he's barely where he should be. He's like an excitable 7 year old that just runs to wherever the ball is.
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Post by wilcopotter on Dec 22, 2018 23:24:26 GMT
Good player, gets us out of lots of trouble. Other midfielders need to be more creative when he gives them the ball. Allen, headless chicken. Clucas, not sure about him. Etebo not given a long enough run. Adam / Fletcher... taxi.
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