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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 8:40:46 GMT
I haven't liked Rowett ever since he started his public slating of the players: that can never come to any good.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Sept 23, 2018 8:53:16 GMT
It is, up until a point though or does he just say no comment forever? There's a reason why Bauer has subsequently deleted the post. If he thought he was in the right He just seems as though once he's thrown shit over one person he then loses all self control and whether he feels he will be better thought of by ousting others goes on to fling shit over anyone he can mention. Do get the feeling of a Kevin Keegan 'i would just love it' panic moment with him. Say nothing, those who know will know who he is on about. I disagree with his managerial tactic but I'm sure there will be some who think he is right in doing this. When it comes to employment tribunal none of this will go to support him as a manager I don't think it's keegan level just yet but he probably has that in him. I think he's just incredibly frustrated with players not listening and he knows he's getting a lot of stick for it. Bauer is an easy target but at the same time Bauer isn't blameless. If it has been discussed previously with him then it's either stupidity or something more underhand on his part. Neither of them have covered themselves in glory but at this moment in time I'm willing to back te manager.
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Post by blackpoolred on Sept 23, 2018 8:55:10 GMT
I can’t be the only stoke fan who think this. Sure, it’s been a difficult start to the season, but we’ve got a young ambitious manager who has overachieved at every club he’s been at. I think the football he wants to play is coming out in 20/30 minute spells and if we can change that into 60/70 minute spells we’ll pick up points. Wether you like to admit it or not we’re finally putting the ball in the back of the net, and it’s our defence that is letting us down. And he’s right when he says ‘individual mistakes’. The one criticism I’ve got of GR is why he’s sticking with the same back 4 that are making the individual mistakes, but if you’ve listened to his post match interview, you’ll know that he’s thinking about making changes. The last thing, I love Bauer like every stoke fan, but if there are rules about social media, you’ve got to stick to them, the only other player is charlie Adam, and he isn’t in the team either. There’s a little bit of frustration out! We have to keep him. He inherited a shambles of a club that had been left to rot for years. I could only see us falling through to level 3 football at the end of last season. We were utterly incapable of competing in a game of football no matter what level the opposition was(even Coventry outclassed us) - he arguably had to get rid of an entire squad and build a complete new starting 11 - he was never going to do this in 1 window His job for me was to somehow get a team together that could compete in a game of nogger and actually try and win a game of football and to keep us in this division while laying some foundations - he is doing exactly that and I am pleased with the progress. If you listen to the rumours and backhand swipes on social media then it sounds like he still has a long way to go in order to get rid of all the deadwood. Defensively we had one of the worst back fives in all 4 divisions last year, he did try to change this and we were linked to a number of players which for whatever reason our transfer team could not get over the line or if you believe some rumours was told he could not have another top left-back in the squad as the club did not want to pay for 1 expensive defender to sit on the bench for 46 games. I love our chairman but when it comes to all things footie he is fecking cluless. He looks at our defence and is seeing what wages we are paying the likes of Shawx, Pieters, Indie and Butland and thinks we should have the best defence in the division based on wages - unfortunately, it does not work like that. Rowett quite clearly has had restrictions placed on him regarding bringing in defenders and here in lyes the problem. He, by the sounds of his post-match interview is going to make a few changes to the defensive line-up - the problem being that he has no viable back-up to bring in: Williams can't play for the club again after cheering on Swansea on Tuesday night and his woeful showing against Wigan and we literally have no replacement at all for Pieters and arguably for our goalkeeper also. Rowett called out our defence in his post-match interview, the defence is where our problems has been for years and has needed changing for the last 5 or 6 windows, but nobody seems to have had the balls or foresight to change or re-build - we now finally have a manager that can see exactly where our main issues lie and is calling out some of our senior players - we, therefore, must keep Rowett and back him. Sadly I think we have a delusional set of fans and a board that seems utterly oblivious to what has been going on at the club over the last couple of years and all they will do is look at the wage bill and ask why are we not doing better. Rowett's post-match interview reeked of a man who knows he is under pressure and possibly not far from being pushed - he knows he has massive issues at this club and it is going to take time to sort out - sadly I think he knows he will not be given that time by the fans or the board. The disaster would be to get rid of Rowett and yet another manager to come into the shambles and persist with the overpaid prima-donnas on Coates/transfer teams say so. We have a rottweiler of a manager who is laying into the people he needs to, calling out the issues with the club and is slowly building a team that can compete and we have some players who actually care. Rowett, for me, is exactly the right man for the job at the right time - moving him on could be the final nail in our coffin and we could just keep plummeting into oblivion. We have been here before though and let us hope we have learned some lessons
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 23, 2018 8:57:29 GMT
I wouldn't wish Rowett on the Vale.
Having thought about it for a minute,I have decided,I still wouldn't wish Rowett on the Vale.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 23, 2018 8:59:54 GMT
I can’t be the only stoke fan who think this. Sure, it’s been a difficult start to the season, but we’ve got a young ambitious manager who has overachieved at every club he’s been at. I think the football he wants to play is coming out in 20/30 minute spells and if we can change that into 60/70 minute spells we’ll pick up points. Wether you like to admit it or not we’re finally putting the ball in the back of the net, and it’s our defence that is letting us down. And he’s right when he says ‘individual mistakes’. The one criticism I’ve got of GR is why he’s sticking with the same back 4 that are making the individual mistakes, but if you’ve listened to his post match interview, you’ll know that he’s thinking about making changes. The last thing, I love Bauer like every stoke fan, but if there are rules about social media, you’ve got to stick to them, the only other player is charlie Adam, and he isn’t in the team either. There’s a little bit of frustration out! We have to keep him. He inherited a shambles of a club that had been left to rot for years. I could only see us falling through to level 3 football at the end of last season. We were utterly incapable of competing in a game of football no matter what level the opposition was(even Coventry outclassed us) - he arguably had to get rid of an entire squad and build a complete new starting 11 - he was never going to do this in 1 window His job for me was to somehow get a team together that could compete in a game of nogger and actually try and win a game of football and to keep us in this division while laying some foundations - he is doing exactly that and I am pleased with the progress. If you listen to the rumours and backhand swipes on social media then it sounds like he still has a long way to go in order to get rid of all the deadwood. Defensively we had one of the worst back fives in all 4 divisions last year, he did try to change this and we were linked to a number of players which for whatever reason our transfer team could not get over the line or if you believe some rumours was told he could not have another top left-back in the squad as the club did not want to pay for 1 expensive defender to sit on the bench for 46 games. I love our chairman but when it comes to all things footie he is fecking cluless. He looks at our defence and is seeing what wages we are paying the likes of Shawx, Pieters, Indie and Butland and thinks we should have the best defence in the division based on wages - unfortunately, it does not work like that. Rowett quite clearly has had restrictions placed on him regarding bringing in defenders and here in lyes the problem. He, by the sounds of his post-match interview is going to make a few changes to the defensive line-up - the problem being that he has no viable back-up to bring in: Williams can't play for the club again after cheering on Swansea on Tuesday night and his woeful showing against Wigan and we literally have no replacement at all for Pieters and arguably for our goalkeeper also. Rowett called out our defence in his post-match interview, the defence is where our problems has been for years and has needed changing for the last 5 or 6 windows, but nobody seems to have had the balls or foresight to change or re-build - we now finally have a manager that can see exactly where our main issues lie and is calling out some of our senior players - we, therefore, must keep Rowett and back him. Sadly I think we have a delusional set of fans and a board that seems utterly oblivious to what has been going on at the club over the last couple of years and all they will do is look at the wage bill and ask why are we not doing better. Rowett's post-match interview reeked of a man who knows he is under pressure and possibly not far from being pushed - he knows he has massive issues at this club and it is going to take time to sort out - sadly I think he knows he will not be given that time by the fans or the board. The disaster would be to get rid of Rowett and yet another manager to come into the shambles and persist with the overpaid prima-donnas on Coates/transfer teams say so. We have a rottweiler of a manager who is laying into the people he needs to, calling out the issues with the club and is slowly building a team that can compete and we have some players who actually care. Rowett, for me, is exactly the right man for the job at the right time - moving him on could be the final nail in our coffin and we could just keep plummeting into oblivion. We have been here before though and let us hope we have learned some lessons Williams wasn’t cheering on Swansea and will start the next game. What on field stuff have you seen from Rowett that’s impressed you?
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Post by hooftastic on Sept 23, 2018 9:04:20 GMT
I didn't mind his appointment but I'm starting to think it was a job too big for him.
I think he's intimidated by some of the names in the squad and seems to also be too stubborn to drop his own signings, so much so that it's affecting substitutions, and subsequently, results.
I get it, I've joined businesses where you have to deal with the old guard but when they're letting you down repeatedly then you've got to wield the axe.
He could prove us wrong on that front, but will he? Very much sink or swim time over the next 3-4 games.
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Post by nik80 on Sept 23, 2018 9:13:49 GMT
I can’t be the only stoke fan who think this. Sure, it’s been a difficult start to the season, but we’ve got a young ambitious manager who has overachieved at every club he’s been at. I think the football he wants to play is coming out in 20/30 minute spells and if we can change that into 60/70 minute spells we’ll pick up points. Wether you like to admit it or not we’re finally putting the ball in the back of the net, and it’s our defence that is letting us down. And he’s right when he says ‘individual mistakes’. The one criticism I’ve got of GR is why he’s sticking with the same back 4 that are making the individual mistakes, but if you’ve listened to his post match interview, you’ll know that he’s thinking about making changes. The last thing, I love Bauer like every stoke fan, but if there are rules about social media, you’ve got to stick to them, the only other player is charlie Adam, and he isn’t in the team either. There’s a little bit of frustration out! What football does he want us to play? I’ve been watching football long enough, but I haven’t got a clue what Rowett’s trying to build here. What are Stoke City these days? I’m struggling to find much to praise, we are physically below par, defensively shot to pieces and as a footballing side, really not very skilful or clever. It’s worryingly negative to say but this side looks like a very expensive bunch of flops. Could another manager get more from them? Would another manager want to inherit them?
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Post by auntiegeorge on Sept 23, 2018 9:40:45 GMT
Did anyone else get the impression in that interview with Nige that Rowett came over as desperate and saying between the lines that he doesn't really want to be at Stoke and will get the sack soon? When Nige told him he could be shown the door he said "that's just football, I've got no fear of that, I've got no problem with that", as if he was already resigned to his fate. Clearly, this gig hasn't turned out for him as he had hoped. www.bbc.co.uk/radio/play/p06k4wgr
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 23, 2018 9:43:00 GMT
Possibly, spoke.to my mate who works over Burton way and even their fans don't like him . Maybe he can work with basic players but he doesn't seem to have a clue here . I can’t be the only stoke fan who think this. Sure, it’s been a difficult start to the season, but we’ve got a young ambitious manager who has overachieved at every club he’s been at. I think the football he wants to play is coming out in 20/30 minute spells and if we can change that into 60/70 minute spells we’ll pick up points. Wether you like to admit it or not we’re finally putting the ball in the back of the net, and it’s our defence that is letting us down. And he’s right when he says ‘individual mistakes’. The one criticism I’ve got of GR is why he’s sticking with the same back 4 that are making the individual mistakes, but if you’ve listened to his post match interview, you’ll know that he’s thinking about making changes. The last thing, I love Bauer like every stoke fan, but if there are rules about social media, you’ve got to stick to them, the only other player is charlie Adam, and he isn’t in the team either. There’s a little bit of frustration out!
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Post by Clayton Wood on Sept 23, 2018 10:21:19 GMT
Right, let's put this one to bed. Rowett interview 6:45 NJ "So Nottingham Forest, there will be changes, perhaps more changes in defence than anywhere else?" 6:50 - 7:23 GR agrees there will be changes, particularly in defence. 7:23 GR states 'some players' like to stick stuff on social media to show how hard they are working. 7:48 NJ "They will not be considered on Wednesday night?" 7:59 GR Mentions Bauer for the first time in connection with Blackburn know he's not playing because of his social media 8:40-8:52 GR discusses Bauer's 20 minute training and says he'll (Rowett) do 20 minutes training walking the dog. 8:52 NJ "So it's Moriz Bauer that's one of your main problems?" 8:53 - end GR say's he's not but needs to have another chat The first person in that interview to mention Bauer was Rowett. It's obviously been festering with him and chose the question about the changes for midweek to get it off his chest. Up to a point you could understand him raising the issue of inappropriate social media behaviour generally. But to suggest HIS professional player's training regime is equivalent to walking a dog is unacceptable. SACK HIM.
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Post by mickey4137 on Sept 23, 2018 10:23:55 GMT
Even paul lambert did better, in the premier league, with a worse set of players How did Lambert do better?
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 23, 2018 10:37:01 GMT
Even paul lambert did better, in the premier league, with a worse set of players How did Lambert do better? Lambert was fucking clueless, but stoke actually looked better under him, and in the premier league. At home, there aren't many times we were smashed and found ourselves 3-0 down was there? We also won two league games in the premier league, 2 in 14. Which was disastrous but I think we are heading for similar under rowett. Sack him now Coates. If rowett stays any longer we can forget a run into the play off positions. Top two is gone already
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 23, 2018 10:45:04 GMT
Most of his signings look good so I remain behind him for now. Its our Premier League over-aged overpaid players that cant cut it in the Championship. Shawcross, Indi, Pieters, Butland, Allen, Diouf all under-performing and none are actually Rowett signings. Its certainly a weird thing how Rowett cant seem to get these players to play for him. Lack of respect or something else? Its pointing to lack of ability atm we need rid of them asap.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 23, 2018 10:51:40 GMT
How did Lambert do better? Lambert was fucking clueless, but stoke actually looked better under him, and in the premier league. At home, there aren't many times we were smashed and found ourselves 3-0 down was there? We also won two league games in the premier league, 2 in 14. Which was disastrous but I think we are heading for similar under rowett. Sack him now Coates. If rowett stays any longer we can forget a run into the play off positions. Top two is gone already Imagine if we sat back and hoped our best player would sort it out for us and do just enough to win us the game, people would be as pissed off as they are now, they were Lamberts tactics given people think we should be going for promotion do you think they'd be happy with sit back and hope?
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Sept 23, 2018 10:52:28 GMT
I honestly thought nobody could be crapper than Paul Lambert, I was wrong.
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Post by stokeykez on Sept 23, 2018 10:54:19 GMT
Right, let's put this one to bed. Rowett interview 6:45 NJ "So Nottingham Forest, there will be changes, perhaps more changes in defence than anywhere else?" 6:50 - 7:23 GR agrees there will be changes, particularly in defence. 7:23 GR states 'some players' like to stick stuff on social media to show how hard they are working. 7:48 NJ "They will not be considered on Wednesday night?" 7:59 GR Mentions Bauer for the first time in connection with Blackburn know he's not playing because of his social media 8:40-8:52 GR discusses Bauer's 20 minute training and says he'll (Rowett) do 20 minutes training walking the dog. 8:52 NJ "So it's Moriz Bauer that's one of your main problems?" 8:53 - end GR say's he's not but needs to have another chat The first person in that interview to mention Bauer was Rowett. It's obviously been festering with him and chose the question about the changes for midweek to get it off his chest. Up to a point you could understand him raising the issue of inappropriate social media behaviour generally. But to suggest HIS professional player's training regime is equivalent to walking a dog is unacceptable. SACK HIM. Exactly the point I have been trying to make on here since I heard the interview. Rowett ousted Bauer yet Bauer has not publicly named or slated anyone, he stated he is training hard. Rowett has had a griff with Bauer for some time now, even stating in other interviews that he doesnt have a griff with him. Bauer has been more astute and cryptic in his posts. Either way the manager has raised the name of the person whilst under pressure of an interview. He should have the ability to deal with this but instead of swerve g a question he then pops his concrete boots on and wades into the river. Cannot stand the dickhead.really get the feeling that his snidy comments will only increase and his attacks on stoke fans will get worse. God forbid we start winning because i think he's the kind of prick that will have great joy in throwing it in our faces.
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Post by miggoscfc on Sept 23, 2018 10:57:23 GMT
When players are airing their laundry in public it's a very difficult situation, particularly if they've been told about it a few times. He's tried to keep it internal and this advice hasn't been heeded. But he's been posting that he's training hard, he hasn't publicly slated the manager for not picking him. As for rowett saying it's letting Blackburn know his team selection I'm sure they are shitting themselves if they'd have seen Bauer on the team sheet especially as he hasn't played for 2 months. The man's an idiot and he is constantly looking for a scapegoat to pin the pressure on. Rowett has reacted in a totally hypocritical manner by slating players far worse in his interviews and if anyone needs to look at the social media policy it's the manager. No. Bauer says he is training hard when actually Rowett says he did less than 20 mins not the double session he claimed. The player Crouch spoke about last week is obviously Bauer. Rowett might be struggling but if players like Bauer are taking the piss they should be no where near the squad. Seemingly another wasted talent, just one who earned a little bit of credit with his displays last season.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 10:57:25 GMT
Did anyone else get the impression in that interview with Nige that Rowett came over as desperate and saying between the lines that he doesn't really want to be at Stoke and will get the sack soon? When Nige told him he could be shown the door he said "that's just football, I've got no fear of that, I've got no problem with that", as if he was already resigned to his fate. Clearly, this gig hasn't turned out for him as he had hoped. www.bbc.co.uk/radio/play/p06k4wgrHe's definitely on the edge now, with nothing but pressure ahead. I really hope he proves everybody wrong and we go on a great run but I think his demeanour doesn't bode well.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 23, 2018 10:58:23 GMT
Lambert was fucking clueless, but stoke actually looked better under him, and in the premier league. At home, there aren't many times we were smashed and found ourselves 3-0 down was there? We also won two league games in the premier league, 2 in 14. Which was disastrous but I think we are heading for similar under rowett. Sack him now Coates. If rowett stays any longer we can forget a run into the play off positions. Top two is gone already Imagine if we sat back and hoped our best player would sort it out for us and do just enough to win us the game, people would be as pissed off as they are now, they were Lamberts tactics given people think we should be going for promotion do you think they'd be happy with sit back and hope? Not at all. Lambert was garbage. Rowett is even worse
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Post by superheroantonius on Sept 23, 2018 11:01:47 GMT
I haven't liked Rowett ever since he started his public slating of the players: that can never come to any good. Lambert ( in a different style) made it very clear he thought a fair few of the players ' totally unprofessional' and he wanted rid Rowett and Lambert are both right , between them scholes carto and Hughes signed some shocking players , who are unprofessional and just not good enough The only genuine question that needs answering is ...who should sort out the mess ? Rowett ? Lambert ?? Or AN Other ???
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Post by kidcrewbob on Sept 23, 2018 11:12:02 GMT
He was the wrong appointment period. He can't cope with players who have top flight experience and he's increasingly coming across as vindictive and tetchy - he has no class or seemingly a great deal of footballing nous and is demonstrably out of his depth - the ease with which he's moved clubs, despite contracts gave me cause for concern also - I will be glad to see the back of him sooner than later..
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Post by onefatcopper on Sept 23, 2018 11:21:45 GMT
SHAWCROSS,ALLEN,BAUER & BUTLAND the Gang of Four who should take a good long look in the mirror ( which is not unusual for Butland ) and ask themselves did I really earn ny exorbitant pay today, did I put myself on the line, did I let my teammates down, how can I improve, can I improve and most importantly have I let the fans down and do I really care ?
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Post by superheroantonius on Sept 23, 2018 11:58:56 GMT
GR on what he said , after the game to the players ...
I’ve just said in there, ‘Don’t be surprised if for the next game you’re not in the team’. And i don’t expect anybody to come and see me and ask me why because it is pretty self-explanatory.
For me that's a 100 per cent fair
He is totally entitled to say that and it's good management to strike while the iron is it hot , and say it as it is.
All we need to know , is has he got enough about him, to sort this shambles out ?
It won't be easy , as the massively experienced Paul Lambert , found out
But good luck to him
He will need it .
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 23, 2018 12:05:09 GMT
Until the defence changes it doesn't matter who the manager is, if they did replace Rowett the problem the next man has got is putting in place a whole defence that is compatible with the new players in front
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Post by superheroantonius on Sept 23, 2018 12:08:13 GMT
He was the wrong appointment period. He can't cope with players who have top flight experience and he's increasingly coming across as vindictive and tetchy - he has no class or seemingly a great deal of footballing nous and is demonstrably out of his depth - the ease with which he's moved clubs, despite contracts gave me cause for concern also - I will be glad to see the back of him sooner than later.. Why is he vindictive ? Every time , someone knocks a ball down the middle of the pitch , our defence disappears This has been going on, for his entire time here . It's cowardly , nobody wants to put their body on the line , nobody wants to put their foot in , the two centre halfs never ' shut the door ' on whoever is comming through the middle . It's like a lads and dads game , where the two big fat dads , don't want to shut on the door on the youngster comming through , in case they look like big fat bullies . This is madness .It's meant to be professional football , not a family kickabout with your cousins and nephews .
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 23, 2018 12:09:23 GMT
Imagine if we sat back and hoped our best player would sort it out for us and do just enough to win us the game, people would be as pissed off as they are now, they were Lamberts tactics given people think we should be going for promotion do you think they'd be happy with sit back and hope? Not at all. Lambert was garbage. Rowett is even worse I disagree, if the players aren't doing what they are told then what is he meant to do, its easy to say drop them but given the squad there isn't anyone.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 23, 2018 12:28:11 GMT
Not at all. Lambert was garbage. Rowett is even worse I disagree, if the players aren't doing what they are told then what is he meant to do, its easy to say drop them but given the squad there isn't anyone. His job is to get the best out of his players and he is failing miserably
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Post by kidcrewbob on Sept 23, 2018 12:34:33 GMT
He was the wrong appointment period. He can't cope with players who have top flight experience and he's increasingly coming across as vindictive and tetchy - he has no class or seemingly a great deal of footballing nous and is demonstrably out of his depth - the ease with which he's moved clubs, despite contracts gave me cause for concern also - I will be glad to see the back of him sooner than later.. Why is he vindictive ? Every time , someone knocks a ball down the middle of the pitch , our defence disappears This has been going on, for his entire time here . It's cowardly , nobody wants to put their body on the line , nobody wants to put their foot in , the two centre halfs never ' shut the door ' on whoever is comming through the middle . It's like a lads and dads game , where the two big fat dads , don't want to shut on the door on the youngster comming through , in case they look like big fat bullies . This is madness .It's meant to be professional football , not a family kickabout with your cousins and nephews . Unfortunately it is Rowett (and his management team) who cannot seem to get what we know these players ae capable of, delivered on match days......he's now trying to personalise and (vindictivly) singling out individuals either directly or by insinuation as a desperate measure of deflection - you'd never hear any of the "great" managers do such a thing - would all be professionally handled behind closed doors....this guy is soooooo out of his depth it's embarrassing.....
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Post by iglugluk on Sept 23, 2018 12:39:27 GMT
It seems to me that the problems at the club lie at a deeper level than the manager. Out of interest, does anyone know if Rowett has a history of criticising the players in public at his other clubs?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 12:46:49 GMT
I can’t be the only stoke fan who think this. Sure, it’s been a difficult start to the season, but we’ve got a young ambitious manager who has overachieved at every club he’s been at. I think the football he wants to play is coming out in 20/30 minute spells and if we can change that into 60/70 minute spells we’ll pick up points. Wether you like to admit it or not we’re finally putting the ball in the back of the net, and it’s our defence that is letting us down. And he’s right when he says ‘individual mistakes’. The one criticism I’ve got of GR is why he’s sticking with the same back 4 that are making the individual mistakes, but if you’ve listened to his post match interview, you’ll know that he’s thinking about making changes. The last thing, I love Bauer like every stoke fan, but if there are rules about social media, you’ve got to stick to them, the only other player is charlie Adam, and he isn’t in the team either. There’s a little bit of frustration out! What football does he want us to play? I’ve been watching football long enough, but I haven’t got a clue what Rowett’s trying to build here. What are Stoke City these days? I’m struggling to find much to praise, we are physically below par, defensively shot to pieces and as a footballing side, really not very skilful or clever. It’s worryingly negative to say but this side looks like a very expensive bunch of flops. Could another manager get more from them? Would another manager want to inherit them? I suspect that Kevin Summerfield was the brains in Rowetts former management teams. Without him he does not have a clue. Rowett comes across as a very unpleasant individual. He as maybe upset some of the first team squad. Kevin Summerfield
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