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Post by george2again on Sept 19, 2018 6:45:14 GMT
The sense of relief after a win is overwhelming but lets not kid ourselves most of that performance was appalling again. Up until 70 minutes we were just slow , laboured, bereft of any ideas, no energy. The comments I heard in the toilets at half time echoed all that. It was pretty shocking. I think we pretty much have the players but still have a manger who struggles to motivate them, play a formation to suit them and has little plan. He left it till the Bera sub to alter the pattern of the game. The high press after that should be how we are most of the game but nothing for 70 minutes? The wide players should have swapped after 20 mins as they were so ineffective. Why play them on their opposite foot - I really hate that it rarely work unless your a top player. It was painful watching Diouf trying to turn inside on his right. Teams seem to find it easy to work us out with quick passing and movement. Relief at a win yes, but most of that was painful again for me.
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Post by lordherefordsknob on Sept 19, 2018 6:50:46 GMT
Yes was very poor,but was one of the few games in the last 2 years where we got better as the match went on.
Did take a while for us to get going but when we did we actually looked half decent.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2018 6:52:33 GMT
I just enjoyed the feeling of a win to be honest. Has it blinded me?
Probably. Do I give one?
No.
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Post by wuzza on Sept 19, 2018 6:55:58 GMT
It was a pretty feeble performance again.
Swansea have come away from it with far more to be positive about than we have.
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 19, 2018 6:56:51 GMT
I only watched the last hour of the game because of problems with finding a stream (again!), but I actually thought we moved the ball around well for that hour and were the team bossing the game. We certainly should have scored more and won the game more comfortably, but apart from scoring too few I thought we did quite well. Especially the last 20 were good as we looked very solid and in full control of the game. Ince must start putting away some of the big chances he gets too soon though to kill games off!  |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 19, 2018 6:58:36 GMT
The negatives were that it was a turgid slog, too often bereft of inspiration, and we needed a blatantly offisde goal to beat Swansea's reserves.
The flip side is that in spite of all that we created a further three excellent chances to win the game and with better finishing would have been out of sight.
I don't think this set up is the way forward though, we have to get some pace in there and we have to get a number 10 in there.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 19, 2018 6:58:54 GMT
I thought the second half was encouraging, mainly because we plugged gaps in midfield where we have been wide open for 3 years
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 19, 2018 7:00:41 GMT
It was a pretty feeble performance again. Swansea have come away from it with far more to be positive about than we have. Disagree. We won at a canter in the end. Swansea started well and are a decent young side but we got to grips with the game and won comfortably. We also missed 3 absolute sitters which should have made it even more comfortable. Is that 3 home wins on the bounce with 3 clean sheets? |
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Post by george2again on Sept 19, 2018 7:02:32 GMT
Not sure if anyone agrees but I think the main problem we have is that we have three very decent centre midfield player who Rowtwit wants to play in the same team. That is fair enough but to accommodate them the wide players have to be really effective attacking with pace and supporting Afobe and giving us a genuine threat. We don't have that especially when McClean is fit and certainly not now. I think with what we have now we should have two up front but that means dropping one of the three. The reality is we all knew we needed another fast wing option and were paying the price. MCClean wont solve the problem he will add to it in my opinion. We really should go get Sako till end of season if available.
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Post by BristolMick on Sept 19, 2018 7:03:13 GMT
Blinded by the draw - most of it was brilliant.
That’s what could be said of Saturday’s game at Hillsborough after which this messageboard was full of hysterical wrist slashing, manager baiting bollox!
Overall 4 points from the 2 games is a fair reflection of how we’ve performed this week.
BM
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Post by potterspele on Sept 19, 2018 7:05:17 GMT
That's a harsh assessment. We weren't brilliant by any stretch but we created enough chances to win 2 games, kept them down to a few half chances, had better performances from some of the under-fire players and showed a bit of character defending as a team when we needed to.
Last night was a good win for the team and hopefully the start of a decent run. If that team had confidence we would have thumped them 3-0 and no-one would be questioning the performance.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 19, 2018 7:05:25 GMT
I'd rather win playing poorly than lose playing well. We have good scope for improvement & now after a lot of changes we're starting to get into it slowly but surely.
4 points from Swansea and west Brom well we havnt been playing the greatest is a good positive.
Berahino looked good again when he come on he offered a bit of quality on the ball and looked lively.
Rowett 1 potter 0.
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Post by wuzza on Sept 19, 2018 7:05:32 GMT
It was a pretty feeble performance again. Swansea have come away from it with far more to be positive about than we have. Disagree. We won at a canter in the end. Swansea started well and are a decent young side but we got to grips with the game and won comfortably. We also missed 3 absolute sitters which should have made it even more comfortable. Is that 3 home wins on the bounce with 3 clean sheets? We were slow and predictable and if we hadn’t been playing a side crippled by injuries then I fear the outcome would have been different. If you think the standards we set last night are going to see this team promoted (and nothing else is acceptable) then you are very optimistic. |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Sept 19, 2018 7:06:18 GMT
Are we improving?
YES
Can we just give a bit of credit for once to the team and manager.
Atmosphere was weird last night as though we were waiting for something to moan about.
I think Rowett is starting to get them to play how he wants and most of his signings are looking good value at the moment
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Post by VolvicStokie on Sept 19, 2018 7:08:50 GMT
Signs of a decent team if you play badly and win.
We grew as we went. Confidence is still an issue but Woods is certainly the heartbeat of this team and for me he's essentially the one that will be the difference.
We looked much better with 2 up top. I think id go for a diamond midfield 4 on Saturday. Woods Allen Etebo Ince.
Diouf was terrible (although played out of position).
3 points, bit more belief to move the ball faster and press with 2 up top. Give Woods the ball and release Etebo and Ince to open teams up.
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Post by Northy on Sept 19, 2018 7:11:39 GMT
Are we improving? YES Can we just give a bit of credit for once to the team and manager. Atmosphere was weird last night as though we were waiting for something to moan about. I think Rowett is starting to get them to play how he wants and most of his signings are looking good value at the moment Aree, I was only watching it on a stream on a tablet but we should have scored twice in the first half, which means we werent berift of ideas and we did create opportunities. Lets get some positive thinking on here. |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 19, 2018 7:17:19 GMT
Confidence is a big issue if we beat Blackburn I can see us pushing on and taking the handbrake off.
I do think when McClean and Clucas are back we’ll be even stronger.
Still think we look unbalanced on the left.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2018 7:19:12 GMT
"Most of it was awful" ?
I'd say odd bits were awful, I'd say there were pockets of great stuff
Supporters need to be patient when a team lines up the way Swansea did
My thoughts were most fans were awful
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 19, 2018 7:26:35 GMT
We weren't very good for the majority of last night but a win is a win. We should have won by 3 or 4 on Saturday so I'll take the improvement.
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Post by SCFC92 on Sept 19, 2018 7:27:39 GMT
We played against a team who are performing really well this year. Yes they were under strength, but I think their quality proved on the pitch.
We were brilliant, other than 5-10 minutes in each half when they changed their game plan.
We got the goal and managed the game.
It's green shoots of recovery and has our last 4 games delivering 7 points.
I'm happy with the bloody win!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 19, 2018 7:30:45 GMT
Disagree. We won at a canter in the end. Swansea started well and are a decent young side but we got to grips with the game and won comfortably. We also missed 3 absolute sitters which should have made it even more comfortable. Is that 3 home wins on the bounce with 3 clean sheets? We were slow and predictable and if we hadn’t been playing a side crippled by injuries then I fear the outcome would have been different. If you think the standards we set last night are going to see this team promoted (and nothing else is acceptable) then you are very optimistic. Home games are going to be tough at times with most visiting teams likely to see a point as a good result. We found a way to win the game after a tricky opening half hour. That is a huge step in the right direction. |
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Post by thestatusquo on Sept 19, 2018 7:31:47 GMT
The win was more important than the performance.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 19, 2018 7:34:46 GMT
It was the stuttering performance of a team getting into gear. It was slow and ponderous at times but when things did click (especially towards the end of the game - which is encouraging in terms of fitness) we actually looked pretty decent.
But then rather show some patience and recognise the improvement the sensible thing would be to get rid of the manager, change things around and start all over again.
Give me instant success or give me Prozac.
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Post by loosestools on Sept 19, 2018 7:40:28 GMT
Once again we were given the run around by fast players doing quick one twos, same as Brentford and Wigan. We don't have an answer and that how this league plays.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 19, 2018 7:41:36 GMT
Play well and draw like Saturday or play poor/average and win?... not hard is it?
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Post by wuzza on Sept 19, 2018 7:45:16 GMT
We were slow and predictable and if we hadn’t been playing a side crippled by injuries then I fear the outcome would have been different. If you think the standards we set last night are going to see this team promoted (and nothing else is acceptable) then you are very optimistic. Home games are going to be tough at times with most visiting teams likely to see a point as a good result. We found a way to win the game after a tricky opening half hour. That is a huge step in the right direction. As a result it was great - as an indicator that we will hit and maintain the required standards soon I’m not so sure but here’s hoping. |
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Sept 19, 2018 7:48:37 GMT
A win and a clean sheet is always good.
Thought play is slowly improving but what I don't understand is when shawcross plays a long ball up front he gets criticized by the fans if it doesn't come off but if we pass it around at the back waiting for the chance to play forward whilst keeping possession the crowd get restless.
Think we need to decide what we want either long hopefull balls which 50% won't come off or waiting for the right opportunity to pass forward.
The crowds restless last night wasn't helpful.
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Post by amathus on Sept 19, 2018 7:50:17 GMT
It didn’t help that a large majority of fans were on the players back with every misplaced pass or pass back to Jack.
Clearly the game plan was to create space by drawing Swansea forward. The boos did not help with confidence which made that first half in particular very edgy.
It’s still a confidence shot team although we’re getting there. As soon as the fans started picking up the performance did.
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Sept 19, 2018 7:50:53 GMT
I too watched it late after getting back late from the kids.
I think it’s a confidence thing, it’s the first time this season I have watched us, as opposed to listening online and though we did okay! The longer we played the more confident we looked (apart from the extra time period where we were spooked due to fear of conceding). Two things stood out for me,
Woods looked so calm and collected on the ball, playing good simple passes but quickly to keep the ball moving. I noticed that he played the ball sideways rather than back to Butland... This ensured that we didn’t naturally drop back and allow Swansea to move forward easily. Excellent performance with an aura of calmness!
The other was the impact of Berahino. He was zipping about, not only running into channels stretching the defence with pace, but also making himself available quickly dropping back after a run, something he wasn’t doing last season... the signs are good for him and with Afobe/ Ince etc... it shows how much pace and turn of pace is a factor for our attack!
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Post by marwood on Sept 19, 2018 7:53:10 GMT
Its possible I'm perverted then, but I took great pleasure on watching the flame haired midfielder pull the strings in midfield. I obtained more pleasure from that than I have done in the last 5 games together
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