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Post by onefatcopper on Sept 19, 2018 10:12:10 GMT
We need to take advantage of Shawcross’s Beckenbaur like abilities, encourage him more to stride out of defence and to deliver those mesmerising inch perfect through balls, there’s no finer sight as to witness one of those rapiers splitting the opposition defence or the fear in a fullbacks eyes as one of Ryan’s Exocets hurtles behind him .
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Post by pez75 on Sept 19, 2018 10:17:28 GMT
It was turgid, plodding football - Rowett clearly has no gameplan other than a cautious slow and steady approach. It worked last night eventually but it could have been so differnt had Swansea scored the first goal. Hopefully the win and Allen's goal will give him and the team some confidence and positivity - then that will reflect in the stands.
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Post by Do it for dobing on Sept 19, 2018 10:27:22 GMT
Attention seeking thread title by the original poster
Definite Improvements
Stoke fans have always moaned I remember them moaning years ago about Bjarni and slagging him off and then he would put the perfect cross in for Thorny to score
Many fans go to football looking for negatives rather than looking for improvements
The players need backing not barracking so we can climb up the league
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Post by onefatcopper on Sept 19, 2018 10:38:11 GMT
Attention seeking thread title by the original poster Definite Improvements Stoke fans have always moaned I remember them moaning years ago about Bjarni and slagging him off and then he would put the perfect cross in for Thorny to score Many fans go to football looking for negatives rather than looking for improvements The players need backing not barracking so we can climb up the league They have and always will moan, they used to moan about Hudson being lazy and criticising him for not getting stuck in , that’s like taking a thoroughbred for the kids to ride at Blackpool beach
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2018 10:39:37 GMT
Watched the match late last night on sky.
We pass the ball so well sideways and backwards until we get to Shawcross who hoofs it back to them, Butland did much the same.
There were periods where we bossed the game but that final ball was usually poor and the finishing was crap.
More of a concern was the Alamo defending in a 15 minute period in the second half after going a gaol up. It was pathetic, just aimlessly hoofing it straight back to them resulting in a sustained period of pressure.
Goal was more off side than my stomach after a curry, but we'll take that on a night of ups and downs.
Biggest positive was at last we showed some pressing and fight.
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Post by pez75 on Sept 19, 2018 10:43:00 GMT
Attention seeking thread title by the original poster Definite Improvements Stoke fans have always moaned I remember them moaning years ago about Bjarni and slagging him off and then he would put the perfect cross in for Thorny to score Many fans go to football looking for negatives rather than looking for improvements The players need backing not barracking so we can climb up the league I think he makes a valid point - it is not necessarily moaning, merely an acceptance of the truth. We got a welcome and much-needed win but did not play very well at all. What is wrong with saying that? All football fans moan at some point and at the match they have players they like and some they dont - for the record I thought Bjarni was ace and loved it when he often proved the naysayers wrong - but these days I am constantly shaking my head at Diouf, so I am as bad. I think a lot of fans go to the football to watch their team play well and hopefully win - last night only ticked one of those boxes. I am happy to back the players even those I do not rate, but still not sure about the manager - just my opinion and not a moan.
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Post by salopstick on Sept 19, 2018 10:58:20 GMT
We are trying to play out from the back at times it looks slow and laborious but it will come in time and is getting better Not much problems at front really
Football fans have no patience
That performance regardless of result was better than most of last season.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Sept 19, 2018 11:06:24 GMT
'Blinded by the win - most of it was awful.'
Not true. Some of it was laboured, patches early on were poor but not awful and certainly not most of the game. Early on we seemed restricted by a bit of fear of conceeding and lack of confidence, coupled with Woods been blocked out early on in Swanseas game plan. Personally thought they were very good second half. 3 sitters missd, two for ince, was it Afobe too first half also missing. So chances created and nothing conceeded.
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Post by lordb on Sept 19, 2018 11:10:56 GMT
Some of it was awful Some if it was very good Most of it was average
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Post by riproaringagain on Sept 19, 2018 11:12:54 GMT
If we took our chances golden ones not half chance we would of been out of sight after 70 mins. Swansea have conceded less on the road than any other championship team.Potter sets them up not to lose not win
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Post by fazza90 on Sept 19, 2018 11:17:21 GMT
"Most of it was awful" ? I'd say odd bits were awful, I'd say there were pockets of great stuff Supporters need to be patient when a team lines up the way Swansea did My thoughts were most fans were awful This. As the preseason favourites and the team that's spent the most money, the majority of teams that come to our place will be looking to sit back, defend deep, slow things down and frustrate us, hope to get our fans backs up which will affect our players and give them more of a chance of a result. We should expect this and not get on our own teams backs so easily.
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Sept 19, 2018 11:20:13 GMT
Very poor game but hard fought win in the end Swansea must be kicking themselves though as they started much better & looked the more likely to score. We look like a work in progress which is going to take time & still needs some major changes mainly in defence as we look so poor when being put under pressure. Still not convinced with Rowett in charge but prepared to give him time to mould the team into his ways.
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Post by hooftastic on Sept 19, 2018 11:22:41 GMT
lets take what we can get and let the team try to build on a positive result hey?
It was better than the Wigan game. Woods looks like a great signing and the manager has even started making subs that make sense.
It wasn't like Swansea were queuing up to score and we did miss some pretty good chances.
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Post by StaffordPotter on Sept 19, 2018 11:24:55 GMT
We are slowly starting to tick. It wasn't going to be instant as these things take time. Onward to Blackburn now.
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Post by pez75 on Sept 19, 2018 11:32:59 GMT
'Blinded by the win - most of it was awful.' Not true. Some of it was laboured, patches early on were poor but not awful and certainly not most of the game. Early on we seemed restricted by a bit of fear of conceeding and lack of confidence, coupled with Woods been blocked out early on in Swanseas game plan. Personally thought they were very good second half. 3 sitters missd, two for ince, was it Afobe too first half also missing. So chances created and nothing conceeded. Stats were in their favour... Shots: Stoke 8, Swans 14 Shots on target: Stoke 3, Swans 5 Corners: Stoke 1, Swans 3 Stats aside we were crap until we scored and even then they had a 10 min spell of pressure where I thought we would inevitably concede.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Sept 19, 2018 11:38:28 GMT
If we're going to persevere with the three in midfield, January needs to see us add another winger with pace to play on the left (or even the right if Ince is out). I know I've said it earlier in this thread but we look disjointed. Erik is still struggling to offer anything but a smooth transition out of defence down that left side and Diouf is badly suited to wide left. It's a massive weakness in our game and with only McClean's return to (questionably) look forward to. In the end Ramadan disappointed, but he'd have provided cover at least and would have got some game time. We're an injury to Afobe and Ince away from disaster.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2018 11:44:38 GMT
'Blinded by the win - most of it was awful.' Not true. Some of it was laboured, patches early on were poor but not awful and certainly not most of the game. Early on we seemed restricted by a bit of fear of conceeding and lack of confidence, coupled with Woods been blocked out early on in Swanseas game plan. Personally thought they were very good second half. 3 sitters missd, two for ince, was it Afobe too first half also missing. So chances created and nothing conceeded. Stats were in their favour... Shots: Stoke 8, Swans 14 Shots on target: Stoke 3, Swans 5 Corners: Stoke 1, Swans 3 Stats aside we were crap until we scored and even then they had a 10 min spell of pressure where I thought we would inevitably concede. Not this stat: Stoke 1 - 0 Swansea
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Sept 19, 2018 11:52:27 GMT
First 25 minutes we were shite. Then we manufactured a couple of very decent chances and the move for Afobe’s miss was beautiful and should have been put away. Also for as much stick as he gets deservedly, diouf’s cushioned header for Ince deserved an assist. For the final half of the first and first 20 of the second I thought we did well m, we retained the ball and wore down their press. Why people moan at this is fucking beyond me, it was good football. We get a scratchy goal but we deserve to be in front. Straight after we look a bit shaky, understandable given Wednesday and the year we’ve had really. We too, as fans were clearly anxious. However barring McBurnie’s late shot I thought we closed out the final 15 mins or so with a super super high press which kept them pinned back. Ince should have wrapped it up. Not bringing Crouch on was the reason for this, and it makes you think about what could have happened last season if we’d not brought him on as much. I’d give the performance 7/10, the result 10/10. “Most of it was awful” simply is not the case, we did things we’ve not done for 3 years last night.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2018 11:56:06 GMT
There was a 10-20 minute spell of shite and a 20minute spell of great play.
The rest was pretty good from us.
Not sure how the win has blinded or papered over anything, we were pretty comfortable bar one spell.
Need more quality creatively but that's always going to be an issue with that midfield 3 and only one creative winger
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 19, 2018 11:57:27 GMT
Its possible I'm perverted then, but I took great pleasure on watching the flame haired midfielder pull the strings in midfield. I obtained more pleasure from that than I have done in the last 5 games together I think you'll find describing a player as "flame haired" at the very least puts you on the bi curious spectrum but I wouldn't go so far as perverted. Although "pulling the strings" may indicate S&M tendencies...
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Sept 19, 2018 11:58:05 GMT
'Blinded by the win - most of it was awful.' Not true. Some of it was laboured, patches early on were poor but not awful and certainly not most of the game. Early on we seemed restricted by a bit of fear of conceeding and lack of confidence, coupled with Woods been blocked out early on in Swanseas game plan. Personally thought they were very good second half. 3 sitters missd, two for ince, was it Afobe too first half also missing. So chances created and nothing conceeded. Stats were in their favour... Shots: Stoke 8, Swans 14 Shots on target: Stoke 3, Swans 5 Corners: Stoke 1, Swans 3 Stats aside we were crap until we scored and even then they had a 10 min spell of pressure where I thought we would inevitably concede. Kyle Naughton’s 30 yard daisy cutter was on target, but guilt edge chances for Ince and Afobe weren’t. You can’t say Naughton’s chance was of a better quality. If you look at the advanced shooting stats (expected goals) it was around 2.2 to stoke and 0.68 to Swansea.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Sept 19, 2018 12:09:50 GMT
It was just like 12 years ago you Premiershit spoiled brats!
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Post by RonnieStokie on Sept 19, 2018 12:45:05 GMT
To quote a Swansea fan on the Bearpit last night....
"The side we put out tonight was the ULTIMATE mash up. Reserve GK, loanee CB, RB playing centre mid, kid in CM, 2 kids attacking mid/wing, add to that the ultimate Swansea stalwarts, not offered anything post 2014 but still have contracts; Routledge & Dyer. CLASSIC press square to rotate whole squad on fifa for the lols.
Somehow our magician of a manager made it work to an extent. With the personnel Rowett is able to select from, you should be doing a lot better."
So to put that in simple terms, we struggled to beat Swansea's reserve/youth team, that was forced into making 7, yes, 7 changes from their last game. Some people wouldn't have been aware of that, so i thought I'd let you know. We certainly didn't beat a GOOD Swansea team. They were there for the taking, a good chance to smash a few goals in and build some confidence. If it wasn't for the linesman we'd be left with an embarrassing point, given the circumstances.
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Post by kaney78 on Sept 19, 2018 12:52:48 GMT
Are we improving? YES Can we just give a bit of credit for once to the team and manager. Atmosphere was weird last night as though we were waiting for something to moan about. I think Rowett is starting to get them to play how he wants and most of his signings are looking good value at the moment first twenty minutes bit dodgy but thought we looked pretty solid afer that in my opinion. Agree, we are improving
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Post by kaney78 on Sept 19, 2018 12:53:12 GMT
Are we improving? YES Can we just give a bit of credit for once to the team and manager. Atmosphere was weird last night as though we were waiting for something to moan about. I think Rowett is starting to get them to play how he wants and most of his signings are looking good value at the moment first twenty minutes bit dodgy but thought we looked pretty solid afer that in my opinion. Agree, we are improving
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Post by adi on Sept 19, 2018 12:54:30 GMT
The negatives were that it was a turgid slog, too often bereft of inspiration, and we needed a blatantly offisde goal to beat Swansea's reserves. The flip side is that in spite of all that we created a further three excellent chances to win the game and with better finishing would have been out of sight. I don't think this set up is the way forward though, we have to get some pace in there and we have to get a number 10 in there. I thought we moved the ball well at times on the break. We also generated space but couldn’t fucking finish once again! We are a Dwight Gayle short!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2018 13:07:06 GMT
Once again we were given the run around by fast players doing quick one twos, same as Brentford and Wigan. We don't have an answer and that how this league plays. If keeping a clean sheet isnt the answer I'll be Fucked if I know what the answer is
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Post by itsmorethanagame on Sept 19, 2018 13:25:24 GMT
It showed signs of promise but with laboured, poor play in prolonged parts.
I think you can really tell we have been trying to go back to basics in training which has resulted in a pattern of slow, dot to dot and predictable play. So many passes and attacks we pick the obvious ball which is easy to cut out. Swansea’s good periods saw much more intricate passing and movement with clever balls. We had some brief spells where we were building confidence and looked positive,
Despite some of Swansea’s more technical play, I thought we looked the more dominant and dangerous side. We have got to improve on our decision making and passing in key areas but I genuinely think this will come with confidence. We seem hesitant picking out passes and are taking the easy, obvious option when we do so as they look scared of making mistakes. I think we are going to be a slow burner this season but when we get in to gear I can see us finishing like a steam train.
In Allen’s interview after the game his lack of confidence was palpable whereas Woods sounded confident and assertive. We are going to get there but it might just require a bit more patience.
It was a good 3 points in the end which were imperative for the momentum we need.
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Post by colinroberts1 on Sept 19, 2018 13:59:30 GMT
To quote a Swansea fan on the Bearpit last night.... "The side we put out tonight was the ULTIMATE mash up. Reserve GK, loanee CB, RB playing centre mid, kid in CM, 2 kids attacking mid/wing, add to that the ultimate Swansea stalwarts, not offered anything post 2014 but still have contracts; Routledge & Dyer. CLASSIC press square to rotate whole squad on fifa for the lols. Somehow our magician of a manager made it work to an extent. With the personnel Rowett is able to select from, you should be doing a lot better." So to put that in simple terms, we struggled to beat Swansea's reserve/youth team, that was forced into making 7, yes, 7 changes from their last game. Some people wouldn't have been aware of that, so i thought I'd let you know. We certainly didn't beat a GOOD Swansea team. They were there for the taking, a good chance to smash a few goals in and build some confidence. If it wasn't for the linesman we'd be left with an embarrassing point, given the circumstances. Let's hope every team has to make 7 changes against us 😂
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 19, 2018 14:01:23 GMT
The negatives were that it was a turgid slog, too often bereft of inspiration, and we needed a blatantly offisde goal to beat Swansea's reserves. The flip side is that in spite of all that we created a further three excellent chances to win the game and with better finishing would have been out of sight. I don't think this set up is the way forward though, we have to get some pace in there and we have to get a number 10 in there. How do we get some pace in there? I thought Diouf is supposed to be quick for all his ball control limitations. Tom Ince is our £12m winger on the other side. We didn't start the super slow Peter Crouch. We didn't start the ageing Adam or Fletch. I don't think we had anyone pacey kicking their heels on the bench did we ? That was pretty much our paciest team wasn't it? It may not be Matty Etherington/Ricardo Fuller quick and devastating but it's what we have for the moment at least. NB I really enjoyed your 'Engine trouble' piece on our midfield options in the fanzine. Diouf is quick absolutely but he can't control a football. I'd play Bauer wide right, with Ince on the left. I appreciate MB's no goal threat but he can bring the ball forward quickly and can deliver the odd good ball. And thank you!
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