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Post by turtlefox on Aug 31, 2018 22:27:42 GMT
He probably would have done because he always seems to land on his feet. The jammy bastard. .. and whilst jammily landing on his feet, his team beat Liverpool 6-1.
I'm looking forward to the next jammy bastard of a manager, that we have, will do that again.
I know. 6-1. The jammy bastard.
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Post by stokie1082 on Sept 1, 2018 0:06:51 GMT
When Saints fuck off down then let’s see what he thinks
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Post by pyrus on Sept 1, 2018 10:13:41 GMT
He may have kept Stoke up - but based on last season’s performances and the results under his stewardship, it is a far-fetched claim. It is given a margin of credibility because, by comparison, Lambert made Hughes look good. But it is an academic point, they were both a long way behind at least eighteen other premiership managers.
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Post by kjpt140v on Sept 1, 2018 11:15:20 GMT
I believe we would have stayed up. The end of the season should have been the time to sort things out. What I witnessed at the Ricoh arena took away any belief that he was capable of keeping us up.Pathetic doesn't begin to describe our performance there, and for that he was rightly nailed to the cross imo. Well that was the lowest point, I couldn’t believe what I was watching but I’m using hindsight which of course is easy to do. We actually did worse under Lambert.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2018 13:04:11 GMT
Mark Hughes is as arrogant as he is delusional about his own qualities as a football manager and rather sadly, that is something that will never, ever change. ... but yet for ever, his statistics will show him to be our best ever manager (maybe second best).
Get out of that one ...
Clem ? - get out of that one ? ?? ??? well try this yes we all remember stokealona ( briefly) but then by his own gross incompetence and sheer arrogance, particularly over his last 12 18 months where - even the punters could see the writing on the wall -whereas the owners could not He, pretty much single handed, has now cost and, is costing our football club £160 - 180 million pounds and counting !! My take, the man started well but - proved ultimately & especially when given the transfer money in large amounts , To be:- a total incompetent , a waster and complete and utter fuckwitt, totally blustering and believing his own bullshit right to the very end (and now even beyond that) to an extent, that was truly breathtaking. And the full gravity of this most royal of 'total fuck ups' possibly ever seen in the premiership, is probably still to be fully realised. but if you want to be truly as delusional as he is - believe what he says.
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Post by salopstick on Sept 1, 2018 14:29:50 GMT
Regardless of what happened or may have happened he was right to be sacked
Shame it wasn’t 6 weeks earlirr
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Post by Gunslinger on Sept 1, 2018 19:57:43 GMT
It's very difficult (if not impossible) to define Hughes' footballing philosophy during his spell at Stoke. He inherited a team which many would say was physical, well organised but without creativity or flair. Hughes rebuilt the team and created Stokealona, and Stoke was suddenly playing attractive football. Hughes strangely started deconstructing the team after the semi-final defeat in the cup against Liverpool. The team lost cohesion, it looked as Hughes was unable to control the dressing room and the tactics became more and more bizarre. The club started regressing and it seemed obvious that he was unable to turn the club around. We would never know if we would have stayed up with Hughes the last games, but we were undoubtly in a very negative trend for the last couple of seasons. In my opinion the board did the right in sacking Hughes, but they left it far too late. It should have been done at the latest before the last season started so that a new manager could have had time to turn the club around. I think it's very cheeky of him to claim that the club would have stayed up with him as a manager. He assembled a very good team, deconstructed it and lost direction more or less completely. He seemed unable to control some of the players, the players looked obviously unfit and his tactical approach towards the matches was more or less a bingo the last season. Few of us have an insight in his relationship and cooperation with Scholes and Cartwright, but a poor relationship doesn't explain his strange tactics, weird starting XI, uncomprehensible substitutions and poor results the last couple of seasons. I don't think he would have kept us up because he had guided the club in a steep Stuka-dive, but as said in the beginning of this post: we will never know. It's going to be very interesting to see how Southampton will perform under his guidance.
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Post by TheProletarian on Sept 2, 2018 14:04:32 GMT
I can’t keep watching as Mark Hughs is labelled as the anti-Christ that ruined the club. Remember Stokealona? Remember three back to back 9th placed finished; our highest in 44 years? Remember Arnautovic, bought by Mark and sold by the club?
His time was at an end, but we should’ve had the dignity to own up for our own mistakes, as well as get in a manager who could continue his legacy.
What the fans and the club have done to his history here is a joke. He’s damn right he would’ve kept us up, especially with Badou and Bauer; which he sanctioned!
For me, I salute him, and wish him all the best for Southampton.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Sept 2, 2018 14:18:04 GMT
I can’t keep watching as Mark Hughs is labelled as the anti-Christ that ruined the club. Remember Stokealona? Remember three back to back 9th placed finished; our highest in 44 years? Remember Arnautovic, bought by Mark and sold by the club? His time was at an end, but we should’ve had the dignity to own up for our own mistakes, as well as get in a manager who could continue his legacy. What the fans and the club have done to his history here is a joke. He’s damn right he would’ve kept us up, especially with Badou and Bauer; which he sanctioned! For me, I salute him, and wish him all the best for Southampton. The problem you have here is the for e dry point you make their is a counter point that is as negative as your positive's are. There will be people who see only the good and many who see only the bad and the truth/balance will be somewhere in the middle. The decision to replace him was not an incorrect one however his replacement was equally as bad if not worse which gives his statement some credence. Looking over the course of his managerial career he will show as good (Blackburn) bad (QPR) and indifferent (Man City) which is about the norm for any manager over multiple clubs excluding the likes of Pep etc... For me his attitude in his final 18 months and "methods" destroyed us with his inability to get the team fit and build a solid defensive base. All the above will apply to Southampton when he has to build that backline up.
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Post by rawli on Sept 2, 2018 16:01:51 GMT
I can’t keep watching as Mark Hughs is labelled as the anti-Christ that ruined the club. Remember Stokealona? Remember three back to back 9th placed finished; our highest in 44 years? Remember Arnautovic, bought by Mark and sold by the club? His time was at an end, but we should’ve had the dignity to own up for our own mistakes, as well as get in a manager who could continue his legacy. What the fans and the club have done to his history here is a joke. He’s damn right he would’ve kept us up, especially with Badou and Bauer; which he sanctioned! For me, I salute him, and wish him all the best for Southampton. The problem you have here is the for e dry point you make their is a counter point that is as negative as your positive's are. There will be people who see only the good and many who see only the bad and the truth/balance will be somewhere in the middle. The decision to replace him was not an incorrect one however his replacement was equally as bad if not worse which gives his statement some credence. Looking over the course of his managerial career he will show as good (Blackburn) bad (QPR) and indifferent (Man City) which is about the norm for any manager over multiple clubs excluding the likes of Pep etc... For me his attitude in his final 18 months and "methods" destroyed us with his inability to get the team fit and build a solid defensive base. All the above will apply to Southampton when he has to build that backline up. The decision to sack him without having someone lined up was amateur hour. The farce over offering 2 separate managers the job only to be turned down was humiliating. The decision to get Lambert in was suicidal.
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Post by scarlet on Sept 2, 2018 17:37:53 GMT
My view is that Mark Hughes should have been sacked sooner than he was as we had been in decline for at least eighteen months, and he seemed incapable of halting it. That's not taking away what he achieved in his first three seasons. What I don't understand about the timing of his eventual sacking is that he had spent months persisting with a wing back system that wasn't working because we had no wing backs. As soon as he was sacked we signed Bauer and Stafylidis, two players with experience of the wing back role, who presumably were scouted and signed with Hughes'approval to address this issue. We then appointed a manager who preferred to play with full backs, thus nullifying part of the reasons for these transfers (although Bauer did improve us at right back). Whether Hughes would have kept us up with Bauer and Stafylidis in his wing back system, plus N'Diaye (presumably another player he was involved in bringing in) in midfield we will never know. If the Board had acted sooner (say in October) and appointed the right replacement last season could have been very different.
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Post by Dr Hesham on Sept 5, 2018 18:43:02 GMT
It may be true, but he was the person who put Stoke in the relegation battle.
Anyway Stoke is in Championship now, the team should play well to qualify for premier league instead of searching for relegation causes.
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Post by mrteddysalad on Sept 5, 2018 23:57:11 GMT
The team completely stopped playing for him, there's no chance he would have kept us up. Not to mention after recruiting Imbula and Wimmer on record transfers with little to no scouting I hate to imagine who else he would have brought in to cripple us.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 6, 2018 9:06:16 GMT
I think history will show that there's little point firing a manager unless you've got someone better already lined up.
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Post by adi on Sept 6, 2018 9:19:56 GMT
I think history will show that there's little point firing a manager unless you've got someone better already lined up. Sadly we tried to penny pinch in terms of clauses etc. After we wasted 10’s of millions on players and wages that we weren’t willing to play. We should’ve gone balls out for Rafa and offered him a war chest. Too little too late, yet the culprits in Scholes and Cartwright are still here, suckling from the teat. Unfortunately the club needs to suffer some more before the cancer is cut out of this club and we can get back to our values.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 6, 2018 9:32:15 GMT
I think history will show that there's little point firing a manager unless you've got someone better already lined up. Sadly we tried to penny pinch in terms of clauses etc. After we wasted 10’s of millions on players and wages that we weren’t willing to play. We should’ve gone balls out for Rafa and offered him a war chest. Too little too late, yet the culprits in Scholes and Cartwright are still here, suckling from the teat. Unfortunately the club needs to suffer some more before the cancer is cut out of this club and we can get back to our values. What are our 'values' out of interest?
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Post by adi on Sept 6, 2018 9:38:35 GMT
Sadly we tried to penny pinch in terms of clauses etc. After we wasted 10’s of millions on players and wages that we weren’t willing to play. We should’ve gone balls out for Rafa and offered him a war chest. Too little too late, yet the culprits in Scholes and Cartwright are still here, suckling from the teat. Unfortunately the club needs to suffer some more before the cancer is cut out of this club and we can get back to our values. What are our 'values' out of interest? Team playing for each other, solid defensively, fewcto no big time players who think they’re above the team. We used to have that identity but it has ebbed away. We had a balance for a brief time but as soon as the results stopped coming in we resorted to infighting and sticking plaster solutions with some awful signings who only weakened what we had left. The manager was one of the biggest proponents of this culture, apparently not even attending training sessions.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 6, 2018 9:43:21 GMT
What are our 'values' out of interest? Team playing for each other, solid defensively, fewcto no big time players who think they’re above the team. We used to have that identity but it has ebbed away. We had a balance for a brief time but as soon as the results stopped coming in we resorted to infighting and sticking plaster solutions with some awful signings who only weakened what we had left. The manager was one of the biggest proponents of this culture, apparently not even attending training sessions. Isn't that what this manager has supposedly been appointed to do?
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Post by adi on Sept 6, 2018 9:47:22 GMT
Team playing for each other, solid defensively, fewcto no big time players who think they’re above the team. We used to have that identity but it has ebbed away. We had a balance for a brief time but as soon as the results stopped coming in we resorted to infighting and sticking plaster solutions with some awful signings who only weakened what we had left. The manager was one of the biggest proponents of this culture, apparently not even attending training sessions. Isn't that what this manager has supposedly been appointed to do? I honestly think he’s going to struggle with Scholes and Cartwright here. We all knew we needed a major overhaul early in the summer and yet we only managed to shift Chopou moting on a free the other day. Get the likes of him, imbula and badou gone in July and we could’ve restructured sooner. The issue is they either weren’t good enough for someone to want to pay a decent fee for them or they didn’t want to play. Scholes should’ve been busting a bollock to sort this yet by the few weeks before window closes we were barely any further along. Chuck in the situation with Bauer and it looks a shambles. Coates really should’ve binned those two clowns along with Hughes. Let’s be honest, we’ve become a bloody joke!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 6, 2018 9:56:01 GMT
Isn't that what this manager has supposedly been appointed to do? I honestly think he’s going to struggle with Scholes and Cartwright here. We all knew we needed a major overhaul early in the summer and yet we only managed to shift Chopou moting on a free the other day. Get the likes of him, imbula and badou gone in July and we could’ve restructured sooner. The issue is they either weren’t good enough for someone to want to pay a decent fee for them or they didn’t want to play. Scholes should’ve been busting a bollock to sort this yet by the few weeks before window closes we were barely any further along. Chuck in the situation with Bauer and it looks a shambles. Coates really should’ve binned those two clowns along with Hughes. Let’s be honest, we’ve become a bloody joke! It's not easy to just get rid of your deadwood though. No club finds that easy. I really hope we have more ambition for what our values are than just becoming another bunch of kick and rush merchants.
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Post by adi on Sept 6, 2018 9:58:22 GMT
I honestly think he’s going to struggle with Scholes and Cartwright here. We all knew we needed a major overhaul early in the summer and yet we only managed to shift Chopou moting on a free the other day. Get the likes of him, imbula and badou gone in July and we could’ve restructured sooner. The issue is they either weren’t good enough for someone to want to pay a decent fee for them or they didn’t want to play. Scholes should’ve been busting a bollock to sort this yet by the few weeks before window closes we were barely any further along. Chuck in the situation with Bauer and it looks a shambles. Coates really should’ve binned those two clowns along with Hughes. Let’s be honest, we’ve become a bloody joke! It's not easy to just get rid of your deadwood though. No club finds that easy. I really hope we have more ambition for what our values are than just becoming another bunch of kick and rush merchants. Agreed and agreed. I just think we got the balance wrong. Would be nice to have a strong team mentality again tho!
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Sept 6, 2018 10:50:25 GMT
He needed to go, no two ways about it!!!
But he needed to go BEFORE the season started, everyone could see it, bar Stoke themselves!!!
In answer to him keeping us up however...
In my opinion, I think he would have had a better chance than Lambert in doing so, but we'll never know now!!!
We can all say the right things in hindsight!!!
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Post by realstokebloke on Sept 6, 2018 11:25:05 GMT
He needed to go, no two ways about it!!! But he needed to go BEFORE the season started, everyone could see it, bar Stoke themselves!!! In answer to him keeping us up however... In my opinion, I think he would have had a better chance than Lambert in doing so, but we'll never know now!!! We can all say the right things in hindsight!!! All of the above Terror
It was the truly dreadful appointment of Lambert that gives LMH's claim the air of credibility by comparison.
So while we'll never know, you could make a case for him being able to pull the points out of the bag in the remaining games but ...
of course was him that got us anywhere near the trapdoor in the first place
and his claim rests on a principle of 'all things being equal' which, of course, they were not - we were playing terribly, he had lost the dressing room and support upstairs.
None of which are conducive to a relegation escape.
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Post by madeleystokie on Sept 6, 2018 12:39:57 GMT
I personally felt that we left it too late to sack him. Who sacks a manager when the transfer window is already open? Without a replacement lined up? Let's not go there...
We'll never know if he would have kept us up but I do feel that we could well have been better off keeping him on until the end of the season and make the change then.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Sept 6, 2018 14:42:36 GMT
I personally felt that we left it too late to sack him. Who sacks a manager when the transfer window is already open? Without a replacement lined up? Let's not go there... We'll never know if he would have kept us up but I do feel that we could well have been better off keeping him on until the end of the season and make the change then. This - although there's no point I keep coming back to the fact that most of us could see he had to go after the Bournemouth home defeat in October - ideally he should have been sacked as soon as the curtain cam down on the season 2015-16 but Coates failed to act despite what was blatently obvious and this has dealt us a mortal blow that may see us years in the wilderness as a consequence. To replace him with Lambo after the Window had shut was lunacy, and in this context the pig eyed charlatan is probably right and he could have kept,us up - we will never know of course and we are left adrift in a sea of mediocrity and amateurish failure.......sad.
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Post by PolPotter on Sept 6, 2018 16:10:31 GMT
He talks a load of old hairy stinky bollocks. Only Robbie Savage would believe him.
We were doomed the season before. By the time he was carted off there wasn't any indication of things improving.
Coventry City 2 Stoke 1
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Sept 6, 2018 16:16:03 GMT
Isn't him saying "I would have kept you up" when staring relegation in the face a bit like a gambler who's just lost a shed load of money saying "I would have won it back for you"
No you wouldn't (or if you did it would be pure luck and little judgement) - and the mere fact you put us in that position in the first place says you can't be trusted to fix it.
Whether he would have had that lucky result or two we'll never know. But the fact that he'd been overseeing a spiral of decline for two years meant his position had become untenable and he had to go.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Sept 6, 2018 17:36:42 GMT
What i don't get is that if he WOULD have kept us up, then why didn't he?
Was he playing some weird game of relegation chicken for a laugh, where at the end of the season he'd suddenly magically get us all the points we needed to survive?
Is he not aware of the fact that he was sacked for getting us into a relegation battle i.e even if he HAD kept us up, he would still by rights be sacked for putting us in that mess in the first place. He seems to have missed that point entirely.
Dipshit
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 6, 2018 17:44:35 GMT
What i don't get is that if he WOULD have kept us up, then why didn't he? Was he playing some weird game of relegation chicken for a laugh, where at the end of the season he'd suddenly magically get us all the points we needed to survive? Is he not aware of the fact that he was sacked for getting us into a relegation battle i.e even if he HAD kept us up, he would still by rights be sacked for putting us in that mess in the first place. He seems to have missed that point entirely. Dipshit He was sacked because we lost a meaningless (in the grand scheme of things) cup tie. Coates pissed his knickers over a cup we were never winning that season. We'd been in the bottom three in February in the past Hughes and other managers and been OK. I think he would have kept us up by the skin of our teeth.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 6, 2018 17:47:01 GMT
What i don't get is that if he WOULD have kept us up, then why didn't he? Was he playing some weird game of relegation chicken for a laugh, where at the end of the season he'd suddenly magically get us all the points we needed to survive? Is he not aware of the fact that he was sacked for getting us into a relegation battle i.e even if he HAD kept us up, he would still by rights be sacked for putting us in that mess in the first place. He seems to have missed that point entirely. Dipshit He was sacked because we lost a meaningless (in the grand scheme of things) cup tie. Coates pissed his knickers over a cup we were never winning that season. We'd been in the bottom three in February in the past Hughes and other managers and been OK. I think he would have kept us up by the skin of our teeth. Absolute bollocks.He was sacked as people have said on this thread because of 18 months of regression and a total waste of the owners money.
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