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Post by stokiegav on Aug 31, 2018 14:21:39 GMT
As a club, we couldn't have handled it any worse. Sacked him at the most ridiculous point in the season, wasted a transfer window, couldn't hire anyone good and ended up with an absolute baboon of a football manager. It's all hindsight though. Maybe he would have kept us up, maybe he wouldn't. If you put a gun to my head though, I reckon he would have done it. I wondered at the time whether the timing was a deliberate ploy to avoid spending as much as we needed to in the TW. Any wombat saw we indeed needed an 'N'Diaye", but also needed a striker (and probably some pace in the forward line too) - we were at least 30m light of investment. Thankfully, after that nasty Mr O'Neill told them of the fact, the board found Paul, who was far more helpful and positive, by agreeing with Coates (&Cartwright?) that our players were good enough. Unfortunately, we run out of time.... shucks..... never mind.... we'll spend 40m in the Championship instead. Nail on head there - I think coates - like all rich and successful people - thinks there's not much he does wrong - and likes to surround himself with people who agree! The implications for Stoke city are frightening.
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Post by chigstoke on Aug 31, 2018 14:44:08 GMT
Hypotetically, if he had kept us up - should he have been our manager this season? I think not. MH hadn't made a LOT of changes as we have seen now; players IN, players OUT ... I think Coates would have kept him on if he'd have not been sacked in December and we'd have stayed up. A. It was going to be the cheaper option B. Done the end of season review, had it out with Hughes about how shit we were, agree to 'fix things', rinse and repeat the season of shit again. Had we have stayed up and Coates sacked Hughes/Lambert however... Well QSF stayed at Espanyol, Benitez would be pigs flying, Silva would have still gone Everton. It'd have been one of Moyes or Rowett IMO if we'd stayed up, and with WHam sacking Moyes, he'd have been the most probable candidate.
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Post by xchpotter on Aug 31, 2018 14:44:18 GMT
Hindsight is a wonderful thing and it was absolutely the right thing to sack Hughes. The club screwed up by appointing Lambert who was cheap. It was inevitable to all but the most ardent of happy clappers on here what was going to happen but the board had pound signs obscuring their vision and ultimately got what they paid for.
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Post by parsonage1955 on Aug 31, 2018 14:53:47 GMT
We're not talking a two month dip in form here, are we. Two years (feb 16 to Jan 18) is surely enough time to demonstrate to the Board that you are capable of coaching a team to stop being smacked by four. And his later transfer record for which Cartright appears to have got much of the rap (l'm not counting Bauer and Badou) was nothing short of criminal.
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Post by NassauDave on Aug 31, 2018 15:45:34 GMT
What a prick.
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Post by sovietonion on Aug 31, 2018 15:56:07 GMT
We should never have been in a position to be relegated in the first place. That we were was largely down to him. This-every day of the week. What a colossal egomaniacal, 22 Carat, granny haired fucking weapon he really is. Another ‘it’s never your fault’ like Pardew.
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Post by sovietonion on Aug 31, 2018 15:58:37 GMT
Admittedly he hasn’t been relegated. As he gets sacked in time to allow the trapdoor to fall under the guy putting the fires out after him. Credit where it’s due, it’s a lucrative strategy for him. The complete cockwalloper.
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Post by kustokie on Aug 31, 2018 16:13:53 GMT
He does seem to have taken a page out of the Orange Orangutan’s play book. Self-confidence is one thing, narcissism is something totally different.
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Post by kustokie on Aug 31, 2018 16:19:01 GMT
Hindsight is a wonderful thing and it was absolutely the right thing to sack Hughes. The club screwed up by appointing Lambert who was cheap. It was inevitable to all but the most ardent of happy clappers on here what was going to happen but the board had pound signs obscuring their vision and ultimately got what they paid for. I am not sure anyone was interested in jumping onto a sinking ship. Rowett clearly had no interest in joining a team headed for relegation when he had a chance of getting promoted. So Lambert was probably the best available that was willing to give it a try because he had nothing to lose, and to be fair he did a reasonable job with the resources at his disposal.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Aug 31, 2018 16:39:17 GMT
He's an easily detestable character. Truthfully, I always thought he was a monumental beeline when he was in charge.
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 31, 2018 16:42:20 GMT
Sure he would!
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Aug 31, 2018 16:47:42 GMT
If their is a football God, and if Leslie is still at Southampton by January...then the 3rd round of the FA Cup is destined to be a Potters visit to Southampton
Oh let it be!
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Post by boothenender on Aug 31, 2018 16:59:28 GMT
Totally and utterly deluded fool. That is my opinion of Hughes. The only way that we would havd survived his Premiership capitulation would have been for him to keep the Tony Pulis side that he inherited. I admit that TP's squad where not very pretty to watch but where very effective at grinding out a result eventually. Hughes was a very good player but as a Manager he is a FUCKING USELESS WANKER OF A BASTARD.
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Post by Jimmyg on Aug 31, 2018 17:04:07 GMT
Don't know why he feels he can say that with such confidence, we were looking like a "team " that couldn't buy a win in the month before he was sacked.IMO Lambert actually took control of the situation and gave us a fighting chance,it was only the board who let him down by not spending big on a proven forward in the January window.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 17:04:45 GMT
Hindsight is a wonderful thing and it was absolutely the right thing to sack Hughes. The club screwed up by appointing Lambert who was cheap. It was inevitable to all but the most ardent of happy clappers on here what was going to happen but the board had pound signs obscuring their vision and ultimately got what they paid for. I am not sure anyone was interested in jumping onto a sinking ship. Rowett clearly had no interest in joining a team headed for relegation when he had a chance of getting promoted. So Lambert was probably the best available that was willing to give it a try because he had nothing to lose, and to be fair he did a reasonable job with the resources at his disposal. I think that PFL did more than "a reasonable job". With just a bit of any luck rather than bad luck, he would still be manager and we would still be in the Prem.
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Post by Absolution on Aug 31, 2018 17:07:23 GMT
There was no bigger fan of Hughes than me, but there was no way in the world we could have kept him on with the way things had gone and the way that they were continuing to head.
As for it being the wrong thing to do to sack him without having a replacement ready, I think by the time he went, the board probably thought with all the 4 goal drubbings we'd suffered over the previous 2 years that Hughes himself was the problem, and we'd get more out of the players with or without a replacement than we were getting with him in charge.
The way it crumbled from the team who gave both Manchester teams a footballing lesson to a shambolic mess in the space of a couple of months was bizarre. I'm sure there's a story there, but I doubt we'll ever get to know what it is.
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Post by sovietonion on Aug 31, 2018 17:30:41 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 17:36:02 GMT
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Post by jarvinski on Aug 31, 2018 17:45:14 GMT
The deluded idiot wouldn’t keep Liverpool up
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Post by huuuuuth on Aug 31, 2018 18:41:55 GMT
Surely he meant "would of"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 18:54:33 GMT
Surely he meant "would of" Another few years as our manager and he would of said "would of", I'm sure. It does take a few years from the yeast in the oatcakes to addle one's brain.
The thing is. When he was sacked after the Coventry match - I was in full agreement with that decision. But we got relegated. If he had stayed, would he of kept us up? - that is an unknown factor.
So had we kept him, we might of stayed up. But could of gone down...... we did go down.
I think that we should of kept him ....
The result would of been the same either way, but might not of been.
It's all to do with the yeast in the oatcakes.
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Post by MuddyWoody on Aug 31, 2018 20:35:54 GMT
If he'd been sacked 18 months before he was, yes, we'd still be in the Premier League.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 31, 2018 20:39:06 GMT
Oi, Hughes..
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 31, 2018 20:39:38 GMT
He would have kept us up and we'd have had another season of desperate survival and another season after that etc etc.
This season has already mashed everyone's head.
We're anything from relegation certainties to play off contenders to top two.
I'm hoping for a play off place.
A far more entertaining league.
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Post by wilcopotter on Aug 31, 2018 20:48:17 GMT
We’ll never know, but I don’t think so.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 21:36:04 GMT
Mark Hughes is as arrogant as he is delusional about his own qualities as a football manager and rather sadly,
that is something that will never, ever change.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 21:58:55 GMT
Mark Hughes is as arrogant as he is delusional about his own qualities as a football manager and rather sadly, that is something that will never, ever change. ... but yet for ever, his statistics will show him to be our best ever manager (maybe second best).
Get out of that one ...
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Post by upthefud on Aug 31, 2018 22:07:03 GMT
I think the Work Lambert did in identifying the rotten apples has given us every chance of success this season. Under Hughes’ holiday camp we could be doing a Sunderland
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Post by turtlefox on Aug 31, 2018 22:07:55 GMT
He probably would have done because he always seems to land on his feet. The jammy bastard.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 22:20:14 GMT
He probably would have done because he always seems to land on his feet. The jammy bastard. .. and whilst jammily landing on his feet, his team beat Liverpool 6-1.
I'm looking forward to the next jammy bastard of a manager, that we have, will do that again.
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