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Post by GoBoks on Aug 31, 2018 10:11:27 GMT
I believe it’s true. Don’t get me wrong, the atmosphere was so toxic, he had to go and if the selection process was a bit more effective, we’d have stayed up, but I think he is right.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 31, 2018 10:23:20 GMT
How can anyone seriously tell me that Hughes would have kept us up🙄🤔The players had thrown the towel in under his management as results showed us in the weeks leading up to his sacking.Yes we beat WBA and got a point at Huddersfield but the West Ham,Tottenham,Chelsea,Newcastle and Coventry games told us all that under the charlatan we were going down. The man ruined QPR(despite what certain posters say on here),ourselves and he’ll do the same to Southampton if they let him imo.I just hope we get to play one of his teams at the Bet365 in the future so the majority of our fans can let him know how they feel about him.
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Post by 3putts on Aug 31, 2018 10:31:08 GMT
hes not wrong though is he? whilst performances were poor we were still outside the relegation zone. given the fixtures we had remaining I am sure mh would have got more points than we did. and as bad as people label him even he knew that mama was no striker[thus stopped using him as a striker] and glen was a liability at rb. sadly lambert thought otherwise and that's why we find ourselves in the champiuonship
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Post by 3putts on Aug 31, 2018 10:32:19 GMT
How can anyone seriously tell me that Hughes would have kept us up🙄🤔The players had thrown the towel in under his management as results showed us in the weeks leading up to his sacking.Yes we beat WBA and got a point at Huddersfield but the West Ham,Tottenham,Chelsea,Newcastle and Coventry games told us all that under the charlatan we were going down. The man ruined QPR(despite what certain posters say on here),ourselves and he’ll do the same to Southampton if they let him imo.I just hope we get to play one of his teams at the Bet365 in the future so the majority of our fans can let him know how they feel about him. will you shout at the telly?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 31, 2018 10:34:21 GMT
How can anyone seriously tell me that Hughes would have kept us up🙄🤔The players had thrown the towel in under his management as results showed us in the weeks leading up to his sacking.Yes we beat WBA and got a point at Huddersfield but the West Ham,Tottenham,Chelsea,Newcastle and Coventry games told us all that under the charlatan we were going down. The man ruined QPR(despite what certain posters say on here),ourselves and he’ll do the same to Southampton if they let him imo.I just hope we get to play one of his teams at the Bet365 in the future so the majority of our fans can let him know how they feel about him. will you shout at the telly? No come and find me on Row 9 behind the dugouts and you join in you tool
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Post by Gods on Aug 31, 2018 10:37:41 GMT
How can anyone seriously tell me that Hughes would have kept us up🙄🤔The players had thrown the towel in under his management as results showed us in the weeks leading up to his sacking.Yes we beat WBA and got a point at Huddersfield but the West Ham,Tottenham,Chelsea,Newcastle and Coventry games told us all that under the charlatan we were going down. The man ruined QPR(despite what certain posters say on here),ourselves and he’ll do the same to Southampton if they let him imo.I just hope we get to play one of his teams at the Bet365 in the future so the majority of our fans can let him know how they feel about him. You can't just casually scrub the only 3 consecutive top half, top division finishes in the history of the football club from the annals of history. 4 more points would have kept us up. That's 2 of the draws we got since January converted to wins. Say Charlie's penalty miss at the death v Brighton and Andy Carol's injury time leveler at WHU. It's fine margins. We'll never know, but it was certainly possible, all we do know for sure is that his replacement was not quite able to do it.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 31, 2018 10:37:53 GMT
hes not wrong though is he? whilst performances were poor we were still outside the relegation zone. given the fixtures we had remaining I am sure mh would have got more points than we did. and as bad as people label him even he knew that mama was no striker[thus stopped using him as a striker] and glen was a liability at rb. sadly lambert thought otherwise and that's why we find ourselves in the champiuonship He signed both of those players. We were in the relegation zone when he left. Why? Who's fault was that?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 10:39:30 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 31, 2018 10:40:20 GMT
How can anyone seriously tell me that Hughes would have kept us up🙄🤔The players had thrown the towel in under his management as results showed us in the weeks leading up to his sacking.Yes we beat WBA and got a point at Huddersfield but the West Ham,Tottenham,Chelsea,Newcastle and Coventry games told us all that under the charlatan we were going down. The man ruined QPR(despite what certain posters say on here),ourselves and he’ll do the same to Southampton if they let him imo.I just hope we get to play one of his teams at the Bet365 in the future so the majority of our fans can let him know how they feel about him. You can't just casually scrub the only 3 consecutive top half, top division finishes in the history of the football club from the annals of history. 4 more points would have kept us up. That's 2 of the draws we got since January converted to wins. Say Charlie's penalty miss at the death v Brighton and Andy Carol's injury time leveler at WHU. It's fine margins. We'll never know, but it was certainly possible, all we do know for sure is that his replacement took us down. The form/results speak for themselves after the semi final defeat.
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Post by maine on Aug 31, 2018 10:42:31 GMT
I suspect he'd have found a way to keep us safe.
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Post by Gods on Aug 31, 2018 10:43:16 GMT
You can't just casually scrub the only 3 consecutive top half, top division finishes in the history of the football club from the annals of history. 4 more points would have kept us up. That's 2 of the draws we got since January converted to wins. Say Charlie's penalty miss at the death v Brighton and Andy Carol's injury time leveler at WHU. It's fine margins. We'll never know, but it was certainly possible, all we do know for sure is that his replacement took us down. The form/results speak for themselves after the semi final defeat. I'm not saying he didn't completely lose his way from that time onward nor that he was un-sackable. He should probably have gone before the start of last season or worst case after the end of last season. Just not at the time he was sacked when we had no adequate replacement! Anyway, we shall never know for sure one way or the other which is why this one goes round in circles! There was a psychologist on the radio the other day pontificating about why humans try so hard to get others to change their minds but almost never change their own! I know I am more guilty of that than anyone!
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Aug 31, 2018 10:43:51 GMT
With our luck and form I reckon any manager probably had a coin's toss chance of keeping us up. A point here or there, a penalty gone in, a yellow instead of a red, a more fortunate bounce.
It's pointless thinking about it really. It happened. It's more important to look at the wider reasoning behind it rather than focusing on specific games.
Those reasons have all been done to death: poor recruitment, penny pinching in some cases, wildly overspending in others, lack of due diligence regarding players' attitudes, dilly-dathering incessantly, shit formations, no gelling, no team bonding, players out of position, pig-headed unwillingness to change things when they're not working, changing things too much, not playing our best frigging player... They all seem to precede MH to an extent and a lot of them seemed to go through PL.
I'd put MH down as having a 50/50 chance of keeping us up, through simple virtue of us being able to score more under him than PL. PL went the opposite way and shut up shop, which would have been absolutely the right thing to do had he started in Nov, but most of the damage was already done and we needed to "win" our way out of the mire.
MH would still, absolutely, have had to have been fucked off at the end of the season though, even if we survived.
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Post by peekay67 on Aug 31, 2018 10:48:32 GMT
Don't think he would have kept us up. And doubt he will keep his current side up either.
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Post by nott1 on Aug 31, 2018 10:49:08 GMT
hes not wrong though is he? whilst performances were poor we were still outside the relegation zone. given the fixtures we had remaining I am sure mh would have got more points than we did. and as bad as people label him even he knew that mama was no striker[thus stopped using him as a striker] and glen was a liability at rb. sadly lambert thought otherwise and that's why we find ourselves in the champiuonship He signed both of those players. We were in the relegation zone when he left. Why? Who's fault was that? Why is nobody blaming the players? They didn't make a lot of effort to stay up because they knew they would still get paid for being shit! I'm not saying Hughes deserved to stay but the players need to take a long hard look at their part in relegation, and my view is they couldn't care less and those players who were there still couldn't!
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Post by mrred on Aug 31, 2018 10:51:28 GMT
Surviving last season (which we wouldn't have done under Hughes- just look at his record) would have only prolonged the inevitable. Would would have been fucking decimated this season.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 31, 2018 10:52:03 GMT
He signed both of those players. We were in the relegation zone when he left. Why? Who's fault was that? Why is nobody blaming the players? They didn't make a lot of effort to stay up because they knew they would still get paid for being shit! I'm not saying Hughes deserved to stay but the players need to take a long hard look at their part in relegation, and my view is they couldn't care less and those players who were there still couldn't! They deserve plenty of flak as well but the buck stops with the manager. He can't get the plaudits for the good (which he deserves for those good 2.5 seasons, however some might try and rewrite history) and accept no responsibility for the bad.
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Post by 3putts on Aug 31, 2018 10:57:17 GMT
will you shout at the telly? No come and find me on Row 9 behind the dugouts and you join in you tool
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Post by 3putts on Aug 31, 2018 10:58:39 GMT
hes not wrong though is he? whilst performances were poor we were still outside the relegation zone. given the fixtures we had remaining I am sure mh would have got more points than we did. and as bad as people label him even he knew that mama was no striker[thus stopped using him as a striker] and glen was a liability at rb. sadly lambert thought otherwise and that's why we find ourselves in the champiuonship He signed both of those players. We were in the relegation zone when he left. Why? Who's fault was that? we were not in the relegation zone when he left
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Post by bathstoke on Aug 31, 2018 10:59:16 GMT
His history doesn't back his revisionist theory...
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Post by shrewspotter on Aug 31, 2018 11:01:41 GMT
He may have kept us up, he may not have. Nobody knows and not even Hughes himself
What nobody can deny though was the complete Trainwreck that he created, poor incoming transfers such as Wimmer, Imbula, Berahino, Choupo-Moting and Jese with only a spattering of good signings such as Allen and Arnie. ill discipline was ride and training methods questioned
Whether he likes it or not, he put himself into a position where the board had no choice and for that Hughes was to blame
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 31, 2018 11:02:00 GMT
He signed both of those players. We were in the relegation zone when he left. Why? Who's fault was that? we were not in the relegation zone when he left We were.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Aug 31, 2018 11:02:26 GMT
He signed both of those players. We were in the relegation zone when he left. Why? Who's fault was that? Why is nobody blaming the players? They didn't make a lot of effort to stay up because they knew they would still get paid for being shit! I'm not saying Hughes deserved to stay but the players need to take a long hard look at their part in relegation, and my view is they couldn't care less and those players who were there still couldn't! Because it's his side, his dressing room, his culture, his ethos, his planning, his selections, his tactics, if Cartwright and Scholes are to be believed, his final selection on players, his responsibility to inspire them, guide them, motivate them, manage them. He was the boss. If players were acting like dicks behind the scenes, it was up to him to sort it out. Yeah you're right that the players had a job to do, but it was his job to ensure that they were doing theirs properly, and he didn't. The players, fans and ultimately owners all lost faith in him. If they trusted him fully in the first place, and he showed reasons as to why that trust should have been maintained, there wouldn't have been a problem. Buck stops at him like it would in any other workplace if a team was drastically under-performing and the boss couldn't/ wouldn't / didn't do anything about it.
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Post by nott1 on Aug 31, 2018 11:04:55 GMT
Why is nobody blaming the players? They didn't make a lot of effort to stay up because they knew they would still get paid for being shit! I'm not saying Hughes deserved to stay but the players need to take a long hard look at their part in relegation, and my view is they couldn't care less and those players who were there still couldn't! Because it's his side, his dressing room, his culture, his ethos, his planning, his selections, his tactics, if Cartwright and Scholes are to be believed, his final selection on players, his responsibility to inspire them, guide them, motivate them, manage them. He was the boss. If players were acting like dicks behind the scenes, it was up to him to sort it out. Yeah you're right that the players had a job to do, but it was his job to ensure that they were doing theirs properly, and he didn't. The players, fans and ultimately owners all lost faith in him. If they trusted him fully in the first place, and he showed reasons as to why that trust should have been maintained, there wouldn't have been a problem. Buck stops at him like it would in any other workplace if a team was drastically under-performing and the boss couldn't/ wouldn't / didn't do anything about it. All very well but the players have escaped any sort of punishment in the aftermath, and most should have been pissed out of the door sharpish!
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 31, 2018 11:04:57 GMT
No come and find me on Row 9 behind the dugouts and you join in you tool Come and show your face at the next home game and have a chat if you actually attend games🤔
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 31, 2018 11:08:31 GMT
will you shout at the telly? No come and find me on Row 9 behind the dugouts and you join in you tool You're not that big lad who shouts "fourthy!" at the fourth official are you?
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Post by backtohanley on Aug 31, 2018 11:12:00 GMT
pulis kept us up not hughes
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 31, 2018 11:12:02 GMT
No come and find me on Row 9 behind the dugouts and you join in you tool You're not that big lad who shouts "fourthy!" at the fourth official are you? Ive never shouted fourthy mate but yes the other descriptions match😄👍
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Aug 31, 2018 11:26:24 GMT
He signed both of those players. We were in the relegation zone when he left. Why? Who's fault was that? we were not in the relegation zone when he left Yes we were. 3rd from bottom on 3rd Jan after losing to Newcastle with the worst defensive record in the league at the time (9 worse that West Ham who were 2nd worst at the time). He was sacked 3 days later after the cup game.
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Post by Davef on Aug 31, 2018 11:26:46 GMT
He signed both of those players. We were in the relegation zone when he left. Why? Who's fault was that? we were not in the relegation zone when he left We absolutely were. We weren't in the bottom three after his last league match against Newcastle on New Year's Day, but dropped into it after West Ham drew at Tottenham a couple of days before the Coventry match.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Aug 31, 2018 11:30:15 GMT
Because it's his side, his dressing room, his culture, his ethos, his planning, his selections, his tactics, if Cartwright and Scholes are to be believed, his final selection on players, his responsibility to inspire them, guide them, motivate them, manage them. He was the boss. If players were acting like dicks behind the scenes, it was up to him to sort it out. Yeah you're right that the players had a job to do, but it was his job to ensure that they were doing theirs properly, and he didn't. The players, fans and ultimately owners all lost faith in him. If they trusted him fully in the first place, and he showed reasons as to why that trust should have been maintained, there wouldn't have been a problem. Buck stops at him like it would in any other workplace if a team was drastically under-performing and the boss couldn't/ wouldn't / didn't do anything about it. All very well but the players have escaped any sort of punishment in the aftermath, and most should have been pissed out of the door sharpish! Well they kind of have been though, haven't they, as far as their contracts allow? Getting rid of the manager is one thing but (unfortunately) you can't just sack players. Unless someone wants to buy them, you'd have to pay a fortune to pay off their contracts, which leaves you with no cash to bring anyone in. Wimmer, Jese, Imbula, gone, Choupo going, Saido seemingly reinvigorated. Others with poor attitudes have gone like Badou and Ramadan, Adam and Afellay look to be largely ostracised. They've done all they can sensibly do without taking unnecessary gambles with money and squad depth I reckon.
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